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18 minutes ago, ignatius said:

but yeah.. he makes a lot of succinct statements. hopefully it finds its way into the ears of people who need to hear it. 

Alas, most probably not.

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enough of this pissweak white apologism, at long last. apparently you haven't paid attention the last 5 years and understood the scale of what has occurred in that time. go take a cursory look at the 

A bunch of entitled/threatened/fearful white people have allowed themselves to be brainwashed to support the egotism of a common opportunist / cheap tie salesman. Now they are resorting to violen

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it's pardon week in D.C. y'all... line on up to get blessed by the orange pope. if you have hundreds of thousands of extra dollars burning a hole in your foreign bank account as you sit inside a minimum security cell somewhere, well good news, you can give all that money to some guy who MAY be able to get you a pardon from the don...just make sure donnie doesn't get a cut of any of it because, well, you know, that would be illegal and all:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/trumps-last-power-grab-will-involve-around-100-pardons-in-massive-influence-peddling-operation

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Criminals have been clamoring at Trump’s heels to achieve exactly this result, one well-connected lobbyists helped facilitate—some for a hefty price. Trump associates have apparently tried to monetize their access to the outgoing administration by selling pardons, or the hope of them, to convicted felons seeking clemency, with some allies bringing in tens of thousands of dollars to promote their clients’ position to the White House in recent weeks, the New York Times reported Sunday.

 

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2 hours ago, very honest said:

paranoia

Paranoia itself can be a manipulation tool. It's exactly this indefinite fear, the sense that something sinister is going on but you can't really point your finger at what or where, that is exploited and used by power elites to manipulate your behaviour. Fears have the advantage that they are easy to generate and that they have a much deeper psychological impact on your actions (and inactions!) than opinions. Generating fear is one important element of power politics, very useful indeed.

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treasonous fucks. 

FBI authorities are seeking a Pennsylvania woman in connection with the U.S. Capitol riot earlier this month after an accusation from a former "romantic partner" that she took a laptop from the office of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with the intention to sell it to Russian intelligence.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/capitol-rioter-plotted-to-sell-stolen-pelosi-laptop-to-russian-intelligence/2447489/?fbclid=IwAR3rsKVcrMdEU-GF9Bpk264WfZWI1WTjud8PVlsut3epjtZ34Jr-sVSO3fA

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2 minutes ago, ignatius said:

treasonous fucks. 

FBI authorities are seeking a Pennsylvania woman in connection with the U.S. Capitol riot earlier this month after an accusation from a former "romantic partner" that she took a laptop from the office of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with the intention to sell it to Russian intelligence.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/capitol-rioter-plotted-to-sell-stolen-pelosi-laptop-to-russian-intelligence/2447489/?fbclid=IwAR3rsKVcrMdEU-GF9Bpk264WfZWI1WTjud8PVlsut3epjtZ34Jr-sVSO3fA

Seriously. Death penalty. No mercy or it's going to happen again.

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Just now, ignatius said:

treasonous fucks. 

FBI authorities are seeking a Pennsylvania woman in connection with the U.S. Capitol riot earlier this month after an accusation from a former "romantic partner" that she took a laptop from the office of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with the intention to sell it to Russian intelligence.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/capitol-rioter-plotted-to-sell-stolen-pelosi-laptop-to-russian-intelligence/2447489/?fbclid=IwAR3rsKVcrMdEU-GF9Bpk264WfZWI1WTjud8PVlsut3epjtZ34Jr-sVSO3fA

So it's far-right message boards that turned her into a Trump goon in the first place. If I remember right it's not much different from ISIS recruitment methods seven years ago.

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7 hours ago, Valleyfold said:

For sure, we've already given away our data and privacy, some because of ignorance, some completely voluntarily. It still feels jarring when people openly celebrate state surveillance

Is it really surveillance when the terrorists broadcast it publicly?

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3 minutes ago, ambermonke said:

So it's far-right message boards that turned her into a Trump goon in the first place. 

yep, message boards...those things can turn mild mannered docile intelligent folks into ranting raving batshit crazy maniacs over the course of time. any long time watmmer I think would vouch for that.

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1 minute ago, chenGOD said:

Is it really surveillance when the terrorists broadcast it publicly?

Yeah let's not further cheapen words like "surveillance" and "research" - that's how you end up with QAnon armchair sleuths. 

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4 hours ago, very honest said:

we need to empower individuals to be able to sort verifiable from not verifiable on their own. then these monstrosities won't progress so far.

Wish it was that simple. I’ve been having a hell of a time trying to help a loved one think critically about all of these election fraud claims. Motivated reasoning prevents people from doing the sorting you’re talking about.

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4 hours ago, very honest said:

we need to empower individuals to be able to sort verifiable from not verifiable on their own. then these monstrosities won't progress so far.

Many of these people utterly lack the resources to do so, or refuse due to identity / tribe / allegiance / cult / conspiracy-belief. It's become a thought disease.

I think this is an increasingly common example where all we know how to do, or are allowed to do, is hope people come around and do the right thing, but that is totally inadequate. Profit is being made keeping them ignorant and riled up.

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dan carlin made a great point regarding right wing nut jobs in his most recent podcast.

before the internet, these fringe ideas were not spread nearly as easily. shit like q anon, these ppl didn't have much of a voice.

the only way you heard about stuff like this was if you came out of the grocery store and saw a flyer on your windshield, or if you saw someone holding a sign on the sidewalk lol.

now they have free reign to spread lies and manipulate desperate and gullible people to not only get money from them, but to control them for their own gain.

we're living in an age where jim jones and marshall applewhite from heavens gate have free reign to reach out to billions of potential victims.

idk where we go from here.

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2 minutes ago, mister miller said:

idk where we go from here.

I've heard (and uttered) this exact phrase more in the last 2-3 months than the rest of my existence combined.

I don't envy Biden.

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^ imo part of it has to be regulation of major social media platforms and more 3rd party (read: government, but this will trigger all the 'libertarian' r-words) oversight. more content moderation, more transparency, more public accountability. I'm sick to death of the inaction over the free speech argument. people who harp on the most about free speech either fail to realise or wilfully ignore the fact that it's being used as a shield for all kinds of disingenuous lies that are creating real, physical harm. we all know what's happening, we can all see this unfolding in front of us and we're being asked to ignore it and just live with it in the name of an ideal that has been eroded by power politics anyway. the ideal of free speech means nothing when the most powerful people in the land exploit it to amplify their voices and the voices of other bad actors for their own gain, while ordinary sane voices are just drowned out.

there are various lofty philosophical thinkpieces written by the intelligentsia out there claiming that orangeman shouldn't have been booted off Twitter cos it was "bad for free speech". fuck them. identifying and deplatforming bad actors works, and furthermore is a moral imperative. I've never believed in free speech for all without consequence or judgement, not when you've repeatedly demonstrated that you're using it in bad faith and creating social harm on an industrial scale (e.g. Qanon). I completely agree that the process of judging this is fraught with difficulty and depends very much on who is doing the judging (hence the requirements for transparency and accountability to the public), but not engaging with the problem at all and allowing dangerous lunatics to speak freely is a copout, it's just not good enough. the costs of not acting on this have been mounting for years now. also private enterprises like FB and Twitter are absolutely not obliged to carry anyone's voice regardless of their social or political views, they simply hide behind the free speech argument and say their hands are tied because for them to act would hurt their bottom line.

lastly, here's something you can do as an individual to help fix the problem: delete your social media accounts. it's not as hard as you think, living without that shit.

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17 minutes ago, usagi said:

 

lastly, here's something you can do as an individual to help fix the problem: delete your social media accounts. it's not as hard as you think, living without that shit.

On the contrary, life improves almost immediately. (At least for me in regards to FB).

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27 minutes ago, eczem said:

On the contrary, life improves almost immediately. (At least for me in regards to FB).

Yeah you can really tell the difference between those who hang out on FB/IG or whatever mind poison and those who don't.

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1 hour ago, usagi said:

delete your social media accounts. it's not as hard as you think, living without that shit.

FB was easy

insta was harder, but not bad

reddit is the one i can't get rid of for some reason....and i know it's toxic

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1 hour ago, mister miller said:

reddit is the one i can't get rid of for some reason....and i know it's toxic

my hot tip for this one: allow yourself to type in reddit.com in your browser when you feel the urge, allow yourself to click Go, allow the page to load even, and then close it without looking at anything. for some reason deflecting the urge this way worked for me. it may take several weeks of doing this but eventually you'll forget about it, your brain will start to regrow as you stop taking insta-opinions from the ADD college kid hivemind.

I think youtube, which doesn't fall in quite the same category as FB or Twitter but is definitely at the forefront of disinformation propagation, is the hardest one to beat overall. I'm not going to kill my yt account with my 5000+ favourites playlist that I've built over 13 years. at least it's easier not to engage with others on it but there is so much bullshit content and their leadership doesn't care at all.

2 hours ago, eczem said:

On the contrary, life improves almost immediately. (At least for me in regards to FB).

I didn't have an immediate improvement and there was a cost to pay in terms of my social life, but I decided that if a connection could not be maintained without FB then it was an acceptable cost given the bigger problem. over time unplugging from that shit helped realign some of my perceptions. that was a few years ago, shortly after Cambridge Analytica which I naively thought would have been the nail in the coffin for a lot more people but which was basically ignored.

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41 minutes ago, usagi said:

I didn't have an immediate improvement and there was a cost to pay in terms of my social life, but I decided that if a connection could not be maintained without FB then it was an acceptable cost given the bigger problem. over time unplugging from that shit helped realign some of my perceptions. that was a few years ago, shortly after Cambridge Analytica which I naively thought would have been the nail in the coffin for a lot more people but which was basically ignored.

Yeah, I quit FB a few years ago as well, for a few reasons, but I basically concluded that any value from it wasn't worth the cost. Cambridge Analytica really underscored that for me... there were connections that were effectively lost, but I figured if they really wanted to get a hold of me they could via email, and if not it, wasn't a connection worth keeping, or rather, the connection was artificial to being with. But I was surprised at the feeling of liberation I gained not long after shutting it off.  I still have a few social media items as well that I just occasionally use, like Instagram and Youtube, but those never came close, for me, to the same level of toxicity. Somehow I've largely dodged Reddit all these years, heh

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