BobDobalina Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I thought we touched on this a couple of pages ago, but election of Bernie would be largely symbolic, a vote of no confidence in the gridlocked, hyper-partisan, bought and paid for congress. No meaningful reforms are going to be passed by those clowns anyway, so the biggest opportunity a Sanders presidency would have would be to get a few rational SC justices on dat bench to roll back the crazy should any of the current crop keel over - though I vaguely recall it was you Az who accurately pointed out that Scalia is being kept alive by Satan. Good to see Hillary getting lambasted for parading out her generation's feminists to try guilting younger women into voting for her, obviously not one of her more effective campaign strategies like say, courting the aol vote. Also I see nothing wrong with that Ted Cruz mailing, only welfare queens like yourselves would open up an envelope from Ted Cruz labeled check enclosed and expect it to be for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 i don't know what i'm going to do the day jeb bush drops out of the presidential race, until then: https://youtu.be/9OE_lHQZGuM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 https://youtu.be/frAjvaX6GGg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 https://youtu.be/ymLuk691tbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke viia Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 i don't know what i'm going to do the day jeb bush drops out of the presidential race, until then: https://youtu.be/9OE_lHQZGuM ouch, that actually made me feel bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) democrats debate in an hour Edited February 12, 2016 by very honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 The PBS Democratic debate that I've only caught about 15 minutes of: Bernie Sanders says some things, Hilary Clinton goes "Yeah I'm like that too!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) democrats debate in an hour it's like hillary knew bernie was going for the jugular because she came wearing her yellow hospital gown and it will look great with her presidential campaign all over it p.s. deleted ted cruz ad (above) below: https://youtu.be/dRWIj6os4L4 Edited February 12, 2016 by Nebraska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 why do blackmen tend to (do they really? the internets say they do) support clington? is there any interesting reading about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 They aren't going to vote for a republican and Clinton is a familiar brand. The Clintons have also put in lots of work courting black voters of the last 20+ years, even if the results haven't really worked out for those voters. http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 why do blackmen tend to (do they really? the internets say they do) support clington? is there any interesting reading about that? do you know what the stats are? because i know the congressional black caucus pac is behind clinton (and so is obama and michael eric dyson) whilst black lives matter activists are (mostly) behind bernie (plus killer mike, cornel west and lil b). so it might actually be something like 54% to 46% or 51% to 49% depending what draws a bigger male crowd (congressional black caucus vs black lives matter) but right now the divide, at least to me, seems more generational than anything else. older people are sticking with hillary because her positions are more familiar while bernie gets the younger and almost all women's vote due to his much radically progressive positions. oddly enough, dyson is VERY progressive yet supports the more conservative democrat while cornel west is not as liberal as dyson yet supports the more progressive candidate so i don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 There's a bit of an irony here. Black & white democrats seem to vote similarly, so the racial component has become irrelevant amongst democrats... One might argue. But we're still talking like it matters. And it does... Anywayzzzz...i thought it was amusing :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 why do blackmen tend to (do they really? the internets say they do) support clington? is there any interesting reading about that? oddly enough, dyson is VERY progressive yet supports the more conservative democrat while cornel west is not as liberal as dyson yet supports the more progressive candidate so i don't know. I thought Cornel was quite liberal (which is ironic because I he's a lot less polarizing than Dyson personally), he described himself famously as a "non-Marxist socialist" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 conrel is liberal, just not as progressive as dyson claims to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 conrel is liberal, just not as progressive as dyson claims to be. whoa, I need to take proper time to read that, but you seem to know a lot more about it so I'll take your word on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) There's a bit of an irony here. Black & white democrats seem to vote similarly, so the racial component has become irrelevant amongst democrats... One might argue. But we're still talking like it matters. And it does... Anywayzzzz...i thought it was amusing :S Sometime that's always irked me, in fact irrationally more than batshit right-wingers, are truly dumb liberals and Democrats. Some are blissfully ignorant, some have no basic concept of conservative or liberal historical theories, some literally have no idea why the vote that way yet are very loudly demeaning and insulting to anyone who votes Republican. I loathe these people. Also, I can attest to this being the case from working 5 years at the TX State capitol, the theres a sad fact that Democratic parties most corrupt and/or inept office holders very often represent minority communities. It's probably the most shameful bad trend of the party. It's also why cities like Chicago, Detroit, and other rust belt metropolitan areas are so corrupt. In Texas it's even more difficult to acknowledge and combat because we need every Dem vote we can get (it's GOP supermajority statewide) and as much as I want to get bad legislators out, there's the even worse possibility of that district being re-drawn and turned into another tea party office. Edited February 12, 2016 by joshuatx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 i don't joshuatx. i only listened to a couple of interviews where both men were talking and came to that conclusion. said interviews were them saying they had a beef with each other and i guess dyson wrote a scathing report on west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Dyson murdered him in that TNR piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 Dyson murdered him in that TNR piece. he also did a little character assassination right here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 https://youtu.be/oP4Xasc1t7Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) There's a bit of an irony here. Black & white democrats seem to vote similarly, so the racial component has become irrelevant amongst democrats... One might argue. But we're still talking like it matters. And it does... Anywayzzzz...i thought it was amusing :S Sometime that's always irked me, in fact irrationally more than batshit right-wingers, are truly dumb liberals and Democrats. Some are blissfully ignorant, some have no basic concept of conservative or liberal historical theories, some literally have no idea why the vote that way yet are very loudly demeaning and insulting to anyone who votes Republican. I loathe these people. Also, I can attest to this being the case from working 5 years at the TX State capitol, the theres a sad fact that Democratic parties most corrupt and/or inept office holders very often represent minority communities. It's probably the most shameful bad trend of the party. It's also why cities like Chicago, Detroit, and other rust belt metropolitan areas are so corrupt. In Texas it's even more difficult to acknowledge and combat because we need every Dem vote we can get (it's GOP supermajority statewide) and as much as I want to get bad legislators out, there's the even worse possibility of that district being re-drawn and turned into another tea party office. Fwiw: i was not trying to say dems are better than reps or anything. I was just going from the numbers posted by nebraska, arguing there's a roughly 50/50 division running through the entire party, regardles of ... Ehm can i say race ?. Without triggering the pcs? What is the deal is with the gop? I really dont have a clue. You tell me. Its funny that some observation about dem voters can be immediately taken as an attack on reps, though. It's apparently a very sensitive subject. And really amusing from an outsiders pov, i can tell ya. Must be one of the pros of living in a multi party system: the bullshit about having a certain political color is way less pronounced. But seeing the ease with which people tend to get insulted, i'll just stop here. Don't want to go into the "euro insulting us" mode either. Edited February 13, 2016 by goDel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) the republicans are full of shit Edited February 13, 2016 by very honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro’s friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political “football game” that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives. Politically the American Negro is nothing but a football and the white liberals control this mentally dead ball through tricks of tokenism: false promises of integration and civil rights. In this profitable game of deceiving and exploiting the politics of the American Negro, those white liberals have the willing cooperation of the Negro civil rights leaders. These “leaders” sell out our people for just a few crumbs of token recognition and token gains. These “leaders” are satisfied with token victories and token progress because they themselves are nothing but token leaders… The white conservatives aren’t friends of the Negro either, but they at least don’t try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the “smiling” fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 doublename, you're quoting this without context or explanation because you agree, because you think it's relevant, funny, enlightening, or what? sent from a tippytappy flatpad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I don't think all white liberals are this cynical, but I do believe that the Democratic party is by and large. I just don't the impression that most Dems are overly concerned with their black constituents once the votes have been counted and the church visits are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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