Rubin Farr Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 What an ass attempt at a cover up. This will drag down Barr, DOJ, and whomever @ the State Dept thought it was a good idea to call in Giuliani. https://qz.com/1716859/white-house-knew-trumps-ukraine-call-was-problematic/amp/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 The document with the complaints by the whistleblower looks like a product of multiple people, instead of one single person. The way it is written, suggests to me people with different backgrounds were consulted during the writing. Legal, intelligence and perhaps even some diplomats. Don't take my word for it, bit this document has been written by a group of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, goDel said: The document with the complaints by the whistleblower looks like a product of multiple people, instead of one single person. The way it is written, suggests to me people with different backgrounds were consulted during the writing. Legal, intelligence and perhaps even some diplomats. Don't take my word for it, bit this document has been written by a group of people. The whistleblower said they have mostly 2nd hand accounts of what was said on the calls. Taken with what he/she witnessed personally, they filed this brief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I understand. Again, I think this doc was written by multiple people. Not by one. Based on the way it is written. Not necessarily due to the content (multiple sources), if you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) wow i'm reading this report and it's blowing my mind. that it's ukraine is not a coincidence. this is like a plot aimed at trump and putin forging a new corrupt world alliance. the intel community caught on and carefully prepared this report to blow it open. this is precisely how authoritarians overthrow democracies. https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/read-the-whistleblower-complaint-regarding-president-trump-s-communications-with-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelensky/4b9e0ca5-3824-467f-b1a3-77f2d4ee16aa/ Edited September 27, 2019 by very honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 4 hours ago, chenGOD said: I will state the obvious: if this goes sideways, the dems are fucked in 2020. based on all the other past shit storms that donnie boy has simply walked away from, it isn't looking good that this is going to go any differently. and yes, if nothing happens to him this time, the dems are totally fucked. but so is our political system in general, since we more or less have a dictator at this point that no one has the balls or ability to stop. and if he keeps on doing as he does, laughing about it, and gets re-elected? jfc we're all fucked. bring on the AI robot overlords, because this democracy shit ain't working! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambermonk Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) In the words of Ken Jennings, I, for one, welcome our robot overlords. SHODAN would turn Donnie into a slobbering mutant blob (like Jabba the Hutt but feral) Edited September 27, 2019 by ambergonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I'd say at this point, the relentless firings in the administration were due to Trump being determined to fill those positions with employees willing to conduct criminal activity on his behalf, knowing he would throw them under the bus at the first sight of indictments. Trump's also apparently been trying to pressure Wayne LaPierre to fund his criminal defense in any possible impeachment trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) ^ yep. that's why he leaves positions vacant all over the place. at 1:44:02 in the pbs full hearing, below, carson finishes his questiosn and yields the balance of his time to schiff. the clock was broken throughout the hearing. schiff checks with the person who was manually keeping track of time to ask how much time is remaining and can be heard saying "20 seconds," which is consistent with the amount of time carson consumed. schiff asks whether maguire used his discretion to withhold the complaint from the committee. maguire squirms and hides behind claiming that it was delayed, not withheld, and that he was waiting for the white house counsel to finish determining if it was executive privilege or not, which he admits was taking a long time. the olc didn't say he couldn't hand it over to congress, just that he wasn't required to. the wh hadn't yet claimed executive privilege, but maguire chose not to provide it to congress. maguire rambles about his excuses for chosing not to hand it over - as the law required and as was clearly appropriate and as had always been done - for 2 and a half minutes with no republcians objecting to schiff blowing past his 20 seconds by 2 minutes. he said the reason this case was different was because "every previous whistleblower complaint that was forwarded to the intelligence committees involved a member of the intelligence community, and an organization under which the [dni] had authority and responsibility" ... a head-scratcher of a purported reason. this is what a bad faith argument looks like. Edited September 28, 2019 by very honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Pedophiles all the way down. Prosecutors: Army official at Mar-a-Lago uploaded suspected child porn to Russian websiteRead more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article235563497.html#storylink=cpyhttps://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article235563497.htmlSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Random thought: Imagine being Rod Rosenstein right now. He looks like such a tool in retrospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Honestly, though. I love this onslaught of impeachment shit. We earned it niaz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumbass Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, Candiru said: Honestly, though. I love this onslaught of impeachment shit. We earned it niaz. You know in the end it's not gonna happen though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, thumbass said: You know in the end it's not gonna happen though I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. McConnell apparently urged Trump to release that transcript. I see it as him nudging this thing along, throwing Trump under the bus. More is going to come out in the form of televised hearings with former loyalists spilling the beans in fantastic soundbites. Apparently Barr was caught off guard by being mentioned in the transcripts and isn't happy about that. It's a good mix of slam dunk obvious corruption that's much easier to understand than Mueller doing his antiquated public servant stoic wow boy scout letdownpalooza. It's all a very deep wound to their bullshit spin factory, and if Senators go on record for not convicting after likely crazier revelations, oh baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, thumbass said: You know in the end it's not gonna happen though but also... Spoiler Edited September 29, 2019 by goDel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijexx Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 I think SNL is probably right. "Ain't nothing gonna happen." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 We'll see. This whistleblower complaint seems like a well orchestrated attempt to get some heads on the chopping block. Almost too well orchestrated. But who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) betting markets expect impeachment in the house in the first term, now. if there are 218+ votes for impeachment proceedings then those members in vulnerable seats have already chosen to put their asses on the line and i would think are most of the way toward voting for articles. the recent news that trump told kislyak and lavrov that he didn't mind the election interference... 0_0 ... then there's the fact that now we know they have been squirreling away politically damaging stuff in a place where they can't delete it and all access is logged... tax returns and deutsche bank documents will see daylight in the next 6 months, it sounds like. then there are the mueller report hearings and evidence, which should be happening, following court orders, in the next couple months... i bet trump gets more articles of impeachment than nixon did (including the same articles that nixon got), gets impeached in the house, and then the vote in the senate is going to be very interesting. either the reds will shield him and that will be used to destroy them. or they will turn on him for lesser damage. there are indications that GOP senators are prepared to feed racist grandpa to the alligators. Edited September 29, 2019 by very honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke viia Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) to those saying 'nothing will happen' .... things have already happened. a formal impeachment inquiry started; the majority of the house now supports the inquiry, and the intel committee is quickly working to advance their investigation (during a recess, no less). now if the meaning is supposed to be 'nothing will happen' as in 'nothing' = anything less than trump being convicted and removed, then yeah, that might be the case. but it's not really a helpful mantra, self fulfilling prophecies do happen, and public support for impeachment is a big part of its effectiveness. please do not neuter accountability, thx! Edited September 29, 2019 by luke viia 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumbass Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 I do consider myself more Republican than Democrat but i haven't been supportive of trump because I think he isn't a qualified presidential candidate... He's constantly making a fool of himself so I personally have no problem with the impeachment procedure really 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 hour ago, thumbass said: I do consider myself more Republican than Democrat but i haven't been supportive of trump because I think he isn't a qualified presidential candidate... He's constantly making a fool of himself so I personally have no problem with the impeachment procedure really how do you feel about the republican party who have and still is supporting trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumbass Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, azatoth said: how do you feel about the republican party who have and still is supporting trump? Well I don't agree with them really... I can't understand how they think Trump is a good president. He's just a businessman who acts on feeling instead of thinking about the, often times, very dumb fucking shit he says. Edited September 29, 2019 by thumbass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Candiru Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 16 hours ago, goDel said: We'll see. This whistleblower complaint seems like a well orchestrated attempt to get some heads on the chopping block. Almost too well orchestrated. But who knows... It’s what happens when you piss off the CIA, NSA, FBI, and several of America’s close allies. He’s that special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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