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Just make all your lazy friends not be lazy at election day. It's easier to make 10 left leaning otherwise non-voters go vote than to convince 1 right leaning idiot to vote left.

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4 hours ago, goDel said:

Boy, US strategy is brilliant nowadays. (you get the president you deserve, you dipshits. vote this idiot out, please)

this is legally foreign interference in the US elections. expect the united states military to knock on your door soon (or one of our drone representatives)

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you finished your billion times transcoding wav->flac experiment already? you should be working on your experiment instead of getting the men in black to knock on my door

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so uhhh yeah, looks like el Trump might have done a wee bit of a war crime (perfidy). 

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I think there's a reasonable solution to this mess that would be fair to both parties - we give them donnie.

"look, we're real sorry about your guy, but here's the asshole that did it, so please just take him and leave the rest of us alone, ok?"

they could march him around shoving bayonets and sticks up his ass, and there'd be victory parades from tehran to san francisco. kumba-fuckin-ya!

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Yeah they can have him. I sure as hell won't miss him.

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19 hours ago, darreichungsform said:

Just make all your lazy friends not be lazy at election day. It's easier to make 10 left leaning otherwise non-voters go vote than to convince 1 right leaning idiot to vote left.

This, talking honestly but non-condescendingly to co-workers who get most of their politics via Joe Rogan Experience and memes has been a lot more productive than trying to reason with my CHUD relatives, most of who have essentially become complicit fascists at this point.

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8 hours ago, Squee said:

 

how about the people that voted for him into power and continue to shilling his behavior? no problems with them either huh?

 

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6 hours ago, Nebraska said:

how about the people that voted for him into power and continue to shilling his behavior? no problems with them either huh?

 

I'm a bit confused by your post.

This anonymous video tries to compel viewers to protest against further escalation. And you make it sound as if it's an example of the Trump supporters who will support him into another war. (I mean, you used it as a counterexample to that tweet, right?)

Also, must say that compared to some bullshit article on the newstateman (or somesuch) that was linked to on this forum, this vid makes a hell of a lot more sense.

The reporting on Iran in US media tends to be heavily biased. It's practically propaganda, if you ask me. Intentionally, or unintentionally. I'm certainly no expert on the matter, but anytime you read something related to the middle east with a clear good guy/bad guy narrative, you can safely assume it's either incompetent journalism or blatant propaganda. 

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4 hours ago, goDel said:

Also, must say that compared to some bullshit article on the newstateman (or somesuch) that was linked to on this forum, this vid makes a hell of a lot more sense.

The reporting on Iran in US media tends to be heavily biased. It's practically propaganda, if you ask me. Intentionally, or unintentionally. I'm certainly no expert on the matter, but anytime you read something related to the middle east with a clear good guy/bad guy narrative, you can safely assume it's either incompetent journalism or blatant propaganda. 

You think this video by some random neckbeard makes more sense than the one written by a journalist who's actually spent time in the region, has spent years developing sources and hearing stories from the people who actually live in the region?

It's hilarious you mention a guy/bad guy narrative, and think the video makes a lot of sense, when the video itself is guilty of doing exactly that, just turning the tables and painting the US as the pantomime villain. Iran isn't some valiant underdog trying to defend the rights of Iraqi's to establish a sovereign state, they're an imperialist theocratic fascist state intent on establishing their own hegemonic control of the region, while killing as many Sunnis as possible. They want to do with Iraq what they've already done in Lebanon, install their own puppet government (who they'll bump off, like they did with Hariri, if they refuse to play ball). The video is naive and ignorant bullshit.

There are no good guys and bad guys in this situation, just bad guys, worse guys, even worse guys and innocent bystanders.

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I’m posting yet another PBS piece.

“Our Man In Tehran” is a good look at Iran from inside. Even has an interview with that one guy who is famous for yelling death to America more passionately than anyone else.

 

Part 1.

 

https://www.pbs.org/video/our-man-in-tehran-part-one-p9eu3w/

 

Part 2.

 

 

https://www.pbs.org/video/our-man-in-tehran-part-two-7elm5x/

 

 

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4 hours ago, caze said:

There are no good guys and bad guys in this situation, just bad guys, worse guys, even worse guys and innocent bystanders.

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On 1/3/2020 at 12:52 PM, zero said:

I know it certainly seems like this act was just another rash, impromptu, thoughtless decision from the man child, but surely there must be some adults left in the room with him, right? I mean someone put this right in front of him, and there has to be military strategy planned out for a response? I can't imagine that it came down to a round table discussion, with top generals starring over at his orange stained face, waiting for the boy king to mumble out nonsense that was interpreted as the go-ahead.

and I think pompeo said something about discussing this first with allies, but you never know since he's on team donnie...so then 100% full of shit. I did read that Nancy and the dems were left in the dark on it, which makes sense since they would have only meddled in the dictator's plan. 

This outlined what I think is one of the more plausible scenarios: the military commanders presented Trump a number of options they were all ready to commit to, the most extreme being the assassination of Soleimani. Drone assassinations have become normalized and essentially standard fare since the late Bush era and was Obama's most damning and disappointing legacy. Targeting individuals is so common that the US has literally developed hellfire missile variants (usually helicopter deployed) that are armed with fucking knifes instead of explosive warheads. This particular operation reminded me of the broad daylight targeted killing of Ahmed_Yassin by the IDF. Even though the Israelis had been conducting targeted killings for decades it was a move that was unprecedented in the sense that it was going from targeted killings of militants and alleged terrorist operatives and moving into the territory of killing political adversaries and leaders. 

Trump's motivation beyond his usual delusional absurdities was to get back at the Shia backed protests that managed to humiliate the US by breaking into the Green Zone in Baghdad. The more extreme option short of actual fucking war (preemptive strikes and direct action on the ground by the US and regional allies) would be a blockade of the Strait of Hormuz which would absolutely crippled Iran and create substantial ripples in the global market, stuff on the level of the 70s oil embargo shortages. That's the one last option the Pentagon is keeping away from Trump at the moment.

 
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1 hour ago, joshuatxuk said:
Trump's motivation beyond his usual delusional absurdities was to get back at the Shia backed protests that managed to humiliate the US by breaking into the Green Zone in Baghdad. 
 

yeah, this makes a lot more sense than the BS his administration keeps spouting that he acted due to legitimate targeted threats against the US. he was probably watching fox news and saw images of those evil brown skinned muslims trying to get into the almighty AMERICAN embassy in Baghdad, which led to his counter reaction.

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12 minutes ago, zero said:

yeah, this makes a lot more sense than the BS his administration keeps spouting that he acted due to legitimate targeted threats against the US. he was probably watching fox news and saw images of those evil brown skinned muslims trying to get into the almighty AMERICAN embassy in Baghdad, which led to his counter reaction.

Something I forgot to stress about the theory that podcast mentioned is that the top brass are using their claim that "Trump picked the most extreme option" is actually a rouse to excuse a move the US military and State Department wanted to do. Soleimani was literally on a diplomatic visit with Iraq to de-escalate Shia-Sunni tensions. We exploited a country we spend billions on to prop up for strategic reasons yet treat poorly as an ally. The US literally deceived the Iraq government to obtain intel about Soleimani's movements to setup an ambush. 

US military and foreign policymakers are OBSESSED with Iran, they've been a de facto adversary for 40 years despite substantial potential for cooperation in against the Taliban and Al-Queda in 2001 after 9/11 and against ISIS in Syria, something that Soleimani was instrumental in militarily. We've literally been hellbent on punishing their government and population for their refusal to cooperate with us economically and strategically and as revenge for ousting a Democratic secular government in the 1950s and installing a monarch on behest of British Petroleum and anti-communist policymakers. The Iranian government has it's faults but it's less backward than Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States in terms of cultural oppression. Anti-Israeli sentiment there exists as an accessory to their anti-Imperialist, anti-Saudi, and anti-American ideologies and yet that has been weaponized here and in Europe as a argument that they are extremely anti-Semitic. 

Iran and it's proxy forces have never actually committed explicit terrorist attacks on American or Western civilians. They've only killed US military personnel - themselves foreign proxy fighters in Iraq - in the context or armed conflict. Iran's biggest enemies are  the same ultra-orthodox Sunni Islamist terrorist groups that attack the U.S. and it's allied interests. Despite all of the literally every major US news outlet and mainstream pundit will nonetheless reiterate this arbitrary and false idea that Iran is a major terrorist supporter. It's been echoed for so long that even well-educated people start to believe it by default. I literally had to ask myself last year "has Iran actually committed terrorist attacks overseas?" because I assumed they had. 

One would assume we would not go into a full-on ground war with Iran because we'll lose. Yet as I type this the U.S. is still spending trillions yearly to maintain endless conflicts and operations in countries where we've lost wars. We've normalized endless wars. We've normalized the U.S. as a imperial state without even the pretense of a global ideologically struggle that the Cold War presented, now it's literally about keeping oil tankers and pipelines safe and the cash flow of wealthy elites moving. 

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So, Epstein...

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Yeah. Seen the Joe Rogan bit? Nice pictures...

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16 minutes ago, goDel said:

Yeah. Seen the Joe Rogan bit? Nice pictures...

Yup!

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