AI - The artificial intelligence thread

[zazen]

_{dcom can I be your friend?}

[chim]

https://www.cbr.com/ai-comic-deemed-ineligible-copyright-protection/

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The United States Copyright Office (USCO) reversed an earlier decision to grant a copyright to a comic book that was created using "A.I. art," and announced that the copyright protection on the comic book will be revoked, stating that copyrighted works must be created by humans to gain official copyright protection.

In September, Kris Kashtanova announced that they had received a U.S. copyright on his comic book, Zarya of the Dawn, a comic book inspired by their late grandmother that she created with the text-to-image engine Midjourney. Kashtanova referred to herself as a "prompt engineer" and explained at the time that she went to get the copyright so that she could “make a case that we do own copyright when we make something using AI.”

 

[dcom]

2 hours ago, zazen said:

_{dcom can I be your friend?}

Of course.

[zero]

13 hours ago, auxien said:

potential for what? like, directly. what is the point of all this, i still do not think i've ever read a valid reason for creating AI like Chat GPT. (a good, useful reason. not one primarily for monetary gain)

exactly! this is what I always mentally defer back to when thinking on topics such as this. I know asking what's the point what's the point all the time can get annoying...but when it comes to a potential new technology being rolled out, which could start the snowball rolling that will some day lead to a catastrophic disaster for the human race, well, I think it warrants asking!

like you implied, this chatbot thing is a part of the whole capitalist shebang. come up with some tech, say it is there for some altruistic reason, then someone with a ton of money wants it, makes an offer too good to refuse, it sells, and then what...some nothingburger feature gets added in to hook the potential millions of "subscribers" that will pay to do something with it, and the money rolls right in! it all sounds like a giant money making scam operation to me, that will undoubtedly cause further confusion, and detach people even more from having to face reality.

or hey, the other easy answer is it could lead to sex. that's the other motivator besides money, right? dudes can't get chicks, so they think about building one with the potential to have a conversation with and screw. isn't one of the big proponents of VR pornhub? it starts with something harmless like Chat GPT...AI big breasted robot for sale when?

[ignatius]

seems weird we're making artificial intelligence when we don't even have actual intelligence yet. 

[Diurn]

2 hours ago, ignatius said:

seems weird we're making artificial intelligence when we don't even have actual intelligence yet. 

That's right but someone above us wants more control on our lives.

And what is happening with this copyright ambiguous law on images, soon will happen to music and also movies/TV shows.

The art of the future will be defined as "artisan" made or "generated" work, even will be more difficult to distinguish between them.

I support cautiously the AI technology, it could be a potential Damocles Sword.

Edited December 21, 2022 by Diurn

[zazen]

2 hours ago, ignatius said:

seems weird we're making artificial intelligence when we don't even have actual intelligence yet. 

maybe thats why we need the artifical kind?

we have a massive intelligence deficit

[chim]

4 hours ago, zero said:

like you implied, this chatbot thing is a part of the whole capitalist shebang. come up with some tech, say it is there for some altruistic reason, then someone with a ton of money wants it, makes an offer too good to refuse, it sells, and then what...some nothingburger feature gets added in to hook the potential millions of "subscribers" that will pay to do something with it, and the money rolls right in! it all sounds like a giant money making scam operation to me, that will undoubtedly cause further confusion, and detach people even more from having to face reality.

ChatGPT has certain educational strengths, it's really apt at teaching you to code in various languages. It gave me a detailed step-by-step description of Advanced Trauma Life Support, which is not readily accessible by Google as it is a licensed and paywalled training curriculum, it nails general emergency life support methods like cABCDE, how to use devices like capnometers & advanced CPR devices. I totally expect general practicioners will use this in the future and possibly in healthcare education. Various forks of GPT could find their way into many societal and professional aspects. It also seems proficent at games and worldbuilding, possibly a way to naturalize and extend conversation scripts in open-world games and RPG's (anyone remember SpookiTalk?)

Edited December 21, 2022 by chim

[zero]

58 minutes ago, chim said:

which is not readily accessible by Google as it is a licensed and paywalled training curriculum, 

which is going to make google angry - https://www.businessinsider.com/google-management-issues-code-red-over-chatgpt-report-2022-12

google will of course then have to try and beat it:

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In particular, teams in Google's research, Trust and Safety division among other departments have been directed to switch gears to assist in the development and launch of new AI prototypes and products, the Times reported. Some employees have even been tasked to build AI products that generate art and graphics similar to OpenAI's DALL-E used by millions of people, according to the Times. 

 

because google sees the $ loss:

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Sridhar Ramaswamy, who oversaw Google's ad team between 2013 and 2018, said that ChatGPT could prevent users from clicking on Google links with ads, which generated $208 billion — 81% of Alphabet's overall revenue — in 2021, Insider reported.

which leads to competition. let's start the race to build more, and better than the other guy! capitalism prevails!

seriously tho, I hear you about the potential educational value that an AI chat bot brings to the table. the possibility that it could help share factual information is a positive. but I always question where is this chatbot idea coming from, what is this going to lead to...and it usually always goes back to the root of all evil - make money at someone else's expense. and once the race for money starts, things always are going to go awry...

[Brisbot]

The Unhittable Man. Read left to right. The first one kinda starts in the middle. There are 8 parts. The 9th picture is just a BS academic article I had chatGPT write to justify the weirdness of this skit. Final two is me trying to make chatGPT flesh out the 'plot armorium' thing.

It's so absurd. It gets better as it goes. I was thinking it would be cool to use chatGPT to build a rich lore with reasoning behind it. And then ask chatGPT to generate stories based on said lore. So you would flesh the lore out, and have chatGPT keep track of all the variables of the lore, to spit out stories that follow the rules of the lore. Ai is going to allow for some absolutely absurd and contrived things.

 

Edited December 21, 2022 by Brisbot

[zazen]

13 minutes ago, Summon Dot E X E said:

They'll have the most GPUs and the best ones, you'll have fewer, weaker, more expensive ones. They'll have unfiltered results from their models and unlimited API access, you'll have heavily censored results in the name of "fairness" and "copyright protection". I agree with @chim that it's going to be abused by the powerful.

The people that founded OpenAI were very aware of this, and OpenAI has a charter to try and counter that happening https://openai.com/charter/

the original point of OpenAI was to try and develop AI in an open-source kindof way so everyone would benefit

I think they have drifted somewhat and I'm not sure how open they are now

[o00o]

 

thats so wholesome  

[o00o]

[zazen]

from /r/chatgpt:

 

[o00o]

The crew continues as usual, ignoring Picard's constant stream of profanity. 

rofl

[auxien]

On 12/21/2022 at 2:47 PM, chim said:

ChatGPT has certain educational strengths, it's really apt at teaching you to code in various languages. It gave me a detailed step-by-step description of Advanced Trauma Life Support, which is not readily accessible by Google as it is a licensed and paywalled training curriculum, it nails general emergency life support methods like cABCDE, how to use devices like capnometers & advanced CPR devices.

i'm curious if it's better at teaching than a human, tho. even if the answer is no, its ability to do so at the user's whim (much more difficult to find a human available 24/7 of course). the availability of video/interactive recorded human teaching would seem to trump a (possibly) flawed piece of AI.

On 12/21/2022 at 2:47 PM, chim said:

It also seems proficent at games and worldbuilding, possibly a way to naturalize and extend conversation scripts in open-world games and RPG's (anyone remember SpookiTalk?)

there's a game dev i follow who does games that are 95% text, and he was talking about this exact thing. my immediate thought was '...isn't writing text/stories almost all of your passion/career? why do you want to replace any portion of the fun part?' i can see it making sense to perhaps add a bit of spice, but utilizing it to larger degrees would seem to me a bit counterintuitive in many arts/hobbies/etc.

On 12/21/2022 at 3:59 PM, zero said:

which leads to competition. let's start the race to build more, and better than the other guy! capitalism prevails!

that just reminds me of how fucking disgusting search has become for literally anything that could be monetized. everything is overfull of spammers/scammers/crapware. it's fucking useless searching google/whatever for...well, anything except pure information (and even that is full of misinfo of course)

On 12/21/2022 at 5:59 PM, Summon Dot E X E said:

I think there's no holding it back, aside from complete social collapse.

i'm starting to lean towards option B.

 

[Brisbot]

As far as Ai is concerned I am not worried about the current generation who are getting Ai decades into their life. I'm worried about the younger generations who will never know anything except Ai. We've seen the colossal effect just smartphones have had on Gen Z. Ai will be another beast entirely. 

[vkxwz]

10 hours ago, auxien said:

i'm curious if it's better at teaching than a human, tho. even if the answer is no, its ability to do so at the user's whim (much more difficult to find a human available 24/7 of course). the availability of video/interactive recorded human teaching would seem to trump a (possibly) flawed piece of AI.

I don't think it's better than a human in it's explanations of topics when the human is an expert on that topic and a good teacher, but I think it's already extremely useful. I was copying large chunks of text from machine learning papers into it and asking it to briefly summarize those sections. It did a great job of this but one of these times, there was a complicated concept I had never heard of before in the summary it gave me, so I asked it to explain it. The first response was correct but not super detailed, so I asked it for more detail on a specific part of the explanation it gave, you can do this recursively on exactly what parts you want explained further. Once I'd had all my questions answered, I typed out my understanding of the concept and asked it to tell me if I was getting it right, it did this well too.. Next, I asked it to explain how that concept fits into the original summary of the paper and it did so. This was on a fairly niche and not so simple topic and it actually helped me understand something quicker than if I had googled it.

[Satans Little Helper]

Yeah, i actually think this technology will have a huge impact. Not in the sense of having created the magic AI or the singularity, or whatever hollywood fantasy. But in a more functional sense. It’s a new kind of steam engine, if you will. It’s potentially a new industrial revolution. Its a steam engine for knowledge acquisition.

In a way this chatgpt is a technique that can summarize all knowledge on the internet. And in such a way that it can help people looking for knowledge. Which is quite useful as we’re living in a more and more knowledge intense civilization where even the experts can be overwhelmed by the amount of (new) information that is out there. Here’s a tool which you can ask everything you need to know and poof, it presents you a summary based on everything that is out there. 42!

[YangYing]

1 hour ago, Satans Little Helper said:

Yeah, i actually think this technology will have a huge impact

its just like discovering fire.. over and over and over again

[ignatius]

15 hours ago, YangYing said:

its just like discovering fire.. over and over and over again

"oh my god i'm so tired of fire. can we have some lasers or something?"

[prdctvsm]

 

[zlemflolia]

ai is just a name for advanced computer algorithms which can be wielded for any arbitrary purpose.  right now, the vast majority, 99%, of all ai algorithms being ran are purely to increase profits, which is decoupled entirely from any human guided decisions.  this absolute worship of capital distorts humanity's trajectory in a way that must be corrected for with a renewed devotion to the earth and to nature, as well as a better perspective on our place in the universe. 

[ignatius]

[o00o]

52 minutes ago, ignatius said:

what do you think about this? For me its the first wave of things to come that will soon hit these people to much larger extent. If he was clever he would use GTP himself instead of complaining but on the other hand its kind of sad to see how these manual crafts go to trash. On the other hand same thing happend when Photoshop was introduced