AI - The artificial intelligence thread

[Summon Dot E X E]

[iococoi]

guud rheed ...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/08/ai-machines-hallucinating-naomi-klein

[cichlisuite]

3 hours ago, iococoi said:

guud rheed ...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/08/ai-machines-hallucinating-naomi-klein

This is very well written, and I thoroughly agree. But will we be able to stop the giant grind stone?

[zero]

6 hours ago, cichlisuite said:

This is very well written, and I thoroughly agree. But will we be able to stop the giant grind stone?

no, we won't. the humans at the top of the chain running the planet don't like to hear the truth, because it doesn't fit in with their delusional view of reality. I agree the author of that article really nailed it on just about all points. this one especially so - 

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There is a world in which generative AI, as a powerful predictive research tool and a performer of tedious tasks, could indeed be marshalled to benefit humanity, other species and our shared home. But for that to happen, these technologies would need to be deployed inside a vastly different economic and social order than our own, one that had as its purpose the meeting of human needs and the protection of the planetary systems that support all life.

imo you always have to look at the psychology of any situation involving the human decision making process, take into account individual's personal motivations when they are faced with important choices to make. this slow AI roll out is no different. it is being pushed out in an entirely capitalistically way, to a global society already totally addicted to the latest and greatest technology, by profit motivated mega rich humans. and there is no end game planning here. just keep building it, keep competing with other companies, and see what eventually happens. 

and kinda ironic that on an IDM forum, there are a lot of folks that seem to recognize this barrel of a loaded gun the collective us are starring down. 20 or so years ago when AI was still very far fetched, a lifetimes away sorta thing, I was all about the idea that AI should replace humans. now I dream of a society where computers were never invented. where there are no screens, no phones to stare at, telling us what to do. 

[cichlisuite]

On 5/6/2023 at 4:27 PM, GORDO said:

It needs structured data yes, you have to provide it with the "right" answers and feed it a ton of them. Afaik chatgpt is a 'next best word' model, so the right answer for that is just the word that succeeded some other chain of words.

More generally as I was saying before what machine learning models do is fit a function: f(X) = y. and the process of learning is finding what exactly this 'f' is. For it to 'learn' you feed it examples of X and y, and the process consists of evaluating and adjusting iteratively a bunch of different functions until the 'error' is minimized in some way. Again,  think of finding the best intercept and slope, it is truly no more different than this, only exploded in complexity.

Afaik or unless there's some other magic in chatgpt, it's doing the computation by scratch in each session, but everything that's been said in the session is fed as input and that's why you can 'correct' or ask for changes. 

Units in NN can have pretty much any operation in them as long as it is differentiable (talking calculus here) but there are some common ones, they're refered to as activation functions, you're better off looking them up in wiki than me trying to list them.

 

Thanks that was informative. Could you say it's a game of elimination of a sort, in a way that it first 'explodes' in contexts and possibilities, and then slowly starts picking up the strongest threads, and the array of contexts and possibilities shrinks, until only one possible solution remains...?

[cichlisuite]

33 minutes ago, zero said:

no, we won't. the humans at the top of the chain running the planet don't like to hear the truth, because it doesn't fit in with their delusional view of reality. I agree the author of that article really nailed it on just about all points. this one especially so - 

imo you always have to look at the psychology of any situation involving the human decision making process, take into account individual's personal motivations when they are faced with important choices to make. this slow AI roll out is no different. it is being pushed out in an entirely capitalistically way, to a global society already totally addicted to the latest and greatest technology, by profit motivated mega rich humans. and there is no end game planning here. just keep building it, keep competing with other companies, and see what eventually happens. 

and kinda ironic that on an IDM forum, there are a lot of folks that seem to recognize this barrel of a loaded gun the collective us are starring down. 20 or so years ago when AI was still very far fetched, a lifetimes away sorta thing, I was all about the idea that AI should replace humans. now I dream of a society where computers were never invented. where there are no screens, no phones to stare at, telling us what to do. 

agreed. one tries to be positive, and hope for the best, but the reality is that we are helpless until the concentrated power of super rich entities is equaled by a power of coherent mass initiative that will have to act as a counterweight, continually sustained in order to maintain the balance of powers (not just campaign-like, single purpose mass initiative, but a continuous one). not just for ai, but for many other pressing things.

the next best option (and that's saying something), and far more probable (unfortunately), is to continue to be a reactionary force, always lagging behind with legislature initiatives, far later when the damage is long done, and our ways of life accepted it and adopted it with another source of anxiety, while the legislature only barely contains the fringes of capital rampage.

[GORDO]

4 hours ago, cichlisuite said:

Thanks that was informative. Could you say it's a game of elimination of a sort, in a way that it first 'explodes' in contexts and possibilities, and then slowly starts picking up the strongest threads, and the array of contexts and possibilities shrinks, until only one possible solution remains...?

It's an iterative process where the error is minimized in each step slightly by adjusting the parameters of the function.

Again think of slope and intercept. I start with random pair (s0, i0) so f(x)=i0+s0x I check how this function fits an observation from the problem I'm trying to predict and adjust the parameters based on the error, so now I got (s1, i1) and so f(x) = i1 + s1x and I keep repeating this until I run out of data or no longer gain any significant reduction in the error. Now imagine instead of a pair of parameters I have billions and f is a stupidly comprehensive formula that allows for any kind of interaction between its variables, and that the problem is something more interesting than fitting a line through points.

Interestingly there does not need to be an 'unique solution' since both the initialization and method for adjusting parameters could yield different overall results, the result being the specific parameters that yielded the least error.

[zero]

good recap of where we're at in the AI philosophical dilemma - 

Threats by artificial intelligence to human health and human existence

https://gh.bmj.com/content/8/5/e010435

 

lol here's a good idea for Skynet! it'll be able to wipe out large swaths of the population with ease:

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For example, it is possible for a million tiny drones equipped with explosives, visual recognition capacity and autonomous navigational ability to be contained within a regular shipping container and programmed to kill en masse without human supervision.

 

[Summon Dot E X E]

I'm hoping to get a chance to use this soon: https://www.linum.ai/

[Summon Dot E X E]

 

[prdctvsm]

Skyborg 🤖

 

[ignatius]

4 hours ago, prdctvsm said:

Skyborg 🤖

 

can we just get healthcare and rent control.. maybe daycare for kids and fix 3 million potholes... school lunch for kids... pay raise for teachers.. or any of the thousands of things that would make life better for people here in this fucking upside down tardistan of a country. 

[prdctvsm]

9 minutes ago, ignatius said:

can we just get healthcare and rent control.. maybe daycare for kids and fix 3 million potholes... school lunch for kids... pay raise for teachers.. or any of the thousands of things that would make life better for people here in this fucking upside down tardistan of a country. 

💻 computah sez "skyborg" 🤖🛩️🛩️🛩️

[GORDO]

posting this here as a bookmark

https://www.lepoint.fr/sciences-nature/yuval-harari-sapiens-versus-yann-le-cun-meta-on-artificial-intelligence-11-05-2023-2519782_1924.php

[Alcofribas]

19 hours ago, GORDO said:

posting this here as a bookmark

https://www.lepoint.fr/sciences-nature/yuval-harari-sapiens-versus-yann-le-cun-meta-on-artificial-intelligence-11-05-2023-2519782_1924.php

this is more Alco Trigger Point stuff. YLC making poor definitions, constantly asserting "in the future it will be like this," side-stepping all criticism with "we already have problems." weak shit.

[Real Human Bean]

On 5/11/2023 at 9:15 PM, Summon Dot E X E said:

I'm hoping to get a chance to use this soon: https://www.linum.ai/

This just looks like a front end for Deforum. Why not use that instead?

[mcbpete]

7 minutes ago, Real Human Bean said:

This just looks like a front end for Deforum. Why not use that instead?

Every AI video looks like every AI video. It's the bullet-time of this decade to immediately date videos 😉

[Real Human Bean]

1 minute ago, mcbpete said:

Every AI video looks like every AI video. It's the bullet-time of this decade to immediately date videos 😉

That's not true at all though...Deforum, Warp Fusion, Kaliber, Maua all have distinct looks and that's just Stable Diffusion based ones. Then there's Disco Diffusion, VQGAN, Pytti...then the text to video stuff like ModelScope and Gen-2.

 

[mcbpete]

Have you got some video examples ? All the ones I've seen are just mushy pictures zooming in/out and morphing into other mushy pictures e.g.

 

 

[Real Human Bean]

24 minutes ago, mcbpete said:

Have you got some video examples ? All the ones I've seen are just mushy pictures zooming in/out and morphing into other mushy pictures e.g.

Warp Fusion (Stable Diffusion):

Disco Diffusion:

Modelscope:

Gen-1:

VQGAN x EbSynth:

 

[o00o]

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Here are my thoughts on the arguments:

1. **Auxien's argument about intelligence being a series of experienced learnings**: This is largely true. Intelligence is often defined as the ability to learn, understand, and apply knowledge, solve problems, and adapt to new situations. Auxien's argument correlates with how AI models like GPT-3 work. These models are trained on vast amounts of data, learning to predict the next word in a sentence based on the context provided by the preceding words. This training process allows them to generate human-like text that reflects a wide variety of knowledge and reasoning abilities【5†source】.

2. **Summon Dot E X E's question about the future of work**: This is a major point of debate in discussions about AI. The concern is that as AI becomes more capable, it could potentially displace human workers, leading to unemployment or underemployment. On the other hand, AI could also open up new opportunities by taking over routine tasks, allowing humans to focus on more complex and creative tasks. The challenge lies in managing this transition in a way that benefits society as a whole【7†source】.

3. **Auxien's comparison between a human expert and ChatGPT**: The point made here is valid. While a human expert has deep knowledge in a specific area, models like GPT-3 have been trained on diverse datasets and can generate responses on a wide range of topics. However, it's important to note that this doesn't mean GPT-3 possesses knowledge or understanding in the same way a human does. It's simply predicting what comes next in a sequence based on its training, and it doesn't possess conscious understanding or awareness【8†source】.

4. **Cichlisuite's questions about how ChatGPT works**: Cichlisuite seems to be under the impression that ChatGPT stores and retrieves information in a manner similar to a database, but this is not accurate. As another user explains, ChatGPT and similar models are trained using machine learning algorithms that adjust the model's parameters to predict the next word in a sentence based on the context provided by the preceding words. The model doesn't store information or look up answers in the way a database does. Instead, it generates responses based on patterns it has learned during training【12†source】【13†source】【14†source】.

5. **The argument that ChatGPT doesn't possess knowledge**: This is largely accurate. While ChatGPT can generate responses that seem knowledgeable, it doesn't possess knowledge in the same way humans do. It doesn't understand the information it generates, it's simply predicting what comes next based on its training. This is a crucial distinction to make when discussing AI models like GPT-3【13†source】.

I asked ChatGPT about his opinion on https://forum.watmm.com/topic/93853-ai-the-artificial-intelligence-thread/page/26/#comments

at the end of the statements he adds a link to the quotes he talks about. these did not go well with copy pasting them here 

[Summon Dot E X E]

I got a chance to try MusicLM. Pretty cool. Output for this prompt is attached. If anybody has any suggestions, let me know and I'll try them out.

 

 

 

[chronical]

23 minutes ago, Summon Dot E X E said:

I got a chance to try MusicLM. Pretty cool. Output for this prompt is attached. If anybody has any suggestions, let me know and I'll try them out.

 

 

 

ha thats cool as shit.. what if you give it "funky disco track in the style of a 4 track tape demo, applied to dancefloor braindance, breakcore"?

[Summon Dot E X E]

25 minutes ago, chronical said:

ha thats cool as shit.. what if you give it "funky disco track in the style of a 4 track tape demo, applied to dancefloor braindance, breakcore"?

It seems to have weighed the disco part higher than the breakcore part, but I can hear hints of breakcore sampling chaos in a few places.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[chronical]

6 minutes ago, Summon Dot E X E said:

It seems to have weighed the disco part higher than the breakcore part, but I can hear hints of breakcore sampling chaos in a few places.

 

 

 

 

 

 

okay so it might take a different approach in wording it.. this is more like, mashup french house music