o00o Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I guess it just changes how art is created. Like software DAWs and VSTs did. For me its just a new software that I can use. people just have to adapt. but art will stay art. midi did not remove people playing the piano. I like the idea alot that at one point you can create tracks and music videos by just typing some kind of prompt. It will come soon https://openai.com/blog/jukebox/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logakght Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, o00o said: I guess it just changes how art is created. Like software DAWs and VSTs did. For me its just a new software that I can use. people just have to adapt. but art will stay art. midi did not remove people playing the piano. I like the idea alot that at one point you can create tracks and music videos by just typing some kind of prompt. It will come soon https://openai.com/blog/jukebox/ I think there is a fundamental difference between DALLE-2 and DAWs and VSTs: automating creativity. DALLE-2 automates for you all the technicalities of drawing or making something visual without your absolute control apart from a "description", while DAWs and VST are still relatively simple tools mostly under your creative control—they don't do for you the final end product, while DALLE-2 does. I also think that all arts will be automated. Also that music is one of the hardest since I think it has more emotive permeability than the others, hence more abstract and subjective than visual stuff. For me, once music is automated, I will be finally convinced that the soul is mathematical. Edited August 10, 2022 by logakght 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o00o Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 yeah one day art will be like a sort of trip where you just think about things and they will be generated on the fly. at the beginning you will have to select them somehow but it will come to a point where they are not precreated at all like think about it even games are still precreated with all their interactivity. but this will no more be the case at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 17 hours ago, logakght said: Also that music is one of the hardest since I think it has more emotive permeability than the others, hence more abstract and subjective than visual stuff. For me, once music is automated, I will be finally convinced that the soul is mathematical. I disagree that music is more subjectively beautiful than visual art - for example, many people in Canada think the purchase of Voice of Fire was a waste of money, not real art etc. I think it's an amazing piece of work. What i think the automation of music is lacking right now is the soul that you are talking about. I have a few Endel albums in my collection, and the ones that are made in collaboration with actual humans (like James Blake or ANNA) are so much better than the ones produced solely by the AI. The AI ones are a bland collection of tones, and lack everything that makes music special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logakght Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 4 hours ago, chenGOD said: I disagree that music is more subjectively beautiful than visual art - for example, many people in Canada think the purchase of Voice of Fire was a waste of money, not real art etc. I think it's an amazing piece of work. What i think the automation of music is lacking right now is the soul that you are talking about. I have a few Endel albums in my collection, and the ones that are made in collaboration with actual humans (like James Blake or ANNA) are so much better than the ones produced solely by the AI. The AI ones are a bland collection of tones, and lack everything that makes music special. I believe music is more subjective because we are visual entities, we "imagine visuals" so it's easier for us to understand visual cues. It's easier to imagine the source of a sound than the sound of a source. I definitely agree that the efforts on AI for music creation (I highlight this because there are already AI to synthesize sound, but not creating it) are lacking. Is there a book like "Point and Line to Plane" by Kandinsky but for music?—I think we could define what makes music have "soul" with such insights. I think ambient music is the closest to unanimously be liked by everyone, so I think an AI could start working on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logakght Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 I just found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03xMIcYiB80 . I honestly wouldn't discern if this mas human or machine made, but do I like it? No. Maybe at the end the decision if an AI is actually superior to us will be an individual free-choice for us classic humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Real Human Bean Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, iococoi said: !dream "a painting of an extremely concerned artist by an extremely concerned artist " -n 8 -i 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iococoi Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, iococoi said: he was referring to that stable diffusion thingy tough Quote But Stable Diffusion’s lack of safeguards compared to systems like DALL-E 2 poses tricky ethical questions for the AI community. Even if the results aren’t perfectly convincing yet, making fake images of public figures opens a large can of worms. And making the raw components of the system freely available leaves the door open to bad actors who could train them on subjectively inappropriate content, like pornography and graphic violence. https://stability.ai/blog/stable-diffusion-announcement Edited August 15, 2022 by iococoi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Human Bean Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 hours ago, iococoi said: he was referring to that stable diffusion thingy tough https://stability.ai/blog/stable-diffusion-announcement Ye that's what I used for them images 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 hours ago, iococoi said: And making the raw components of the system freely available leaves the door open to bad actors who could train them on subjectively inappropriate content, like pornography and graphic violence. the use of ‘could’ here is a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 8 hours ago, iococoi said: People have been whining about digital cheating for a long time. Big whoop, these cookie-cutter fan artists are easy for an AI to mimic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wunderbar Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, chim said: People have been whining about digital cheating for a long time. Big whoop, these cookie-cutter fan artists are easy for an AI to mimic... Whats a fan artist. I feel like its the same as those artist that call electronic music fake or w/e Edited August 15, 2022 by Wunderbar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chim Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 16 hours ago, Wunderbar said: Whats a fan artist. I feel like its the same as those artist that call electronic music fake or w/e People who piggyback on famous franchises with fan art to maximize their audience. The original twitter poster does a lot of pokemon & mario shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wunderbar Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 55 minutes ago, chim said: People who piggyback on famous franchises with fan art to maximize their audience. The original twitter poster does a lot of pokemon & mario shit. Yea i found it funny he is crying about the ai stealing other peoples designs etc. And then he links his own art and its a drawing of bowser lol. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) the art AIs have learned from us how to reproduce what we do. you may even be able to tweak their parameters and make them make things we've never made. but it's generated from the data originally inputted to them, which is actually human made art. when you see these weird beautiful AI images, you are looking at the collective art of humanity, not art created by the AI. there is nothing removing the soul of art in AI simply calculating a few tensor operations the true AI art comes from people who use the AI in novel ways. and it is made by the people, not the AI. just as the painting is not made by the brush, even if some unique brushes let you make nice abstract textures Edited August 17, 2022 by ilqx hermolia xpli 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Human Bean Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 btw guys this is going to be possible with music and video soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcom Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Horizontal shooter with AI-generated graphics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Human Bean Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Stable Diffusion is out in the big wide world now: https://huggingface.co/spaces/stabilityai/stable-diffusion 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 (edited) Has potential. People who don't dig the restrictions of Dall-E, for whatever reason, are going to have a field day. Spoiler "Aphex Twin DJ'ing at Auschwitz" Edited August 22, 2022 by chim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Summon Dot E X E said: I think human brains are made up of something like neural networks, though, if just vastly more complex. So the human process, though maybe unique in its consciousness, is not too dissimilar from the result of a machine learning model. i disagree, the human brain is in fact so much more complex than a neural network that it's hard to make any comparison whatsoever, in fact I would not even put them in the same categories except for historical coincidences of naming i would go as far as to say that all the world's AI cannot even simulate a single human neuron Edited August 23, 2022 by ilqx hermolia xpli 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iococoi Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) Quote pornpen.ai generates adult imagery with custom AI algorithms. Any generations of content on this website that resemble real people are purely coincidental. https://pornpen.ai/ ... convenient number of the horny beast lulululululz Spoiler Edited August 24, 2022 by iococoi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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