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Most Evil Ae Moment?


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#51 AE35unit

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Posted 16 September 2017 - 07:11 AM

 

IV VV IV VV VIII at 2:47

The fear of god takes shape

 

 

All great choices. 

 

I always thought that particular track is the sound of the music the space jockey in Alien would listen to. Pre-prometheus mythos that is, when it was just an unnamed ossified 15 foot tall space beast

 

 

The interesting thing is that for more than two years I found IV VV IV VV VIII an anonymous non-stimulating piece, until one day I fell in. Now I think that it is the highest moment of Draft. The tipical ae syndrome.

 

As for a feeling of deep concern, tied to something I recognize as a "sense of the mystic" (I know, those are overly colorful expressions, but if we can not exaggerate at least here, in what other context could we do?), I must say that plyphon is probably the the first piece that comes to my mind. For difficult reasons to rationalize, I inevitably see an immense monolith suspended in the solar system. There is no doubt, then, that at 2:00 I can touch its surface.



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Posted 16 September 2017 - 07:13 AM

Not so much an 'evil' moment, but a slightly creepy moment to me is when you hear what sounds like an alien voice at 0:35 of Zeiss Contarex



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Posted 16 September 2017 - 11:56 AM

autechre is the most evil moment in the universe :diablo: 



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Posted 16 September 2017 - 04:35 PM

Has AE ever done a happy sounding, joyous track? I can't think of any at the moment...

How about Cichli, Tilapia, Pen Expers, Echtogon-S or foldfree casual?

I dunno, those are all tracks with pretty melodies, but all quite wistful and minor key really. I would put, say, Rae and dropp in the same category? Lush, but I wouldn't personally describe it as joyous.

It's not really their element is it?

Around 2:45 in Cap.IV is like a ray of sunshine through clouds. Or some other cheesy simile, but you know what I mean.

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Posted 16 September 2017 - 05:06 PM

Yulquen is actually way more evil but it took me 20 years to realize it

lol really? Unless I'm getting the key completely wrong, it sounds like one of the prettiest things they've released.
yeah what the heck, Yulquen is pure lush Bladerunner esque sci-fi vibes.

"I always thought so too, but the way it evolves in the last half of the track started to creep me out a couple years ago. It's kind of hard to explain but it has to do with the implied sense of scale. It is definitely lush and pretty too.

It's the least cheesy and most forward thinking track on Amber by a long shot."

Wait! you think teartear sounds cheesy? That trk is sinister af. Also like BoomTss mentioned, I think vekoS has some "burn 'em all" moments.

https://youtu.be/hLnecKDUweA

Edited by sine nomine, 16 September 2017 - 05:11 PM.


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 08:45 PM

Yulquen is actually way more evil but it took me 20 years to realize it

lol really? Unless I'm getting the key completely wrong, it sounds like one of the prettiest things they've released.
yeah what the heck, Yulquen is pure lush Bladerunner esque sci-fi vibes.
"I always thought so too, but the way it evolves in the last half of the track started to creep me out a couple years ago. It's kind of hard to explain but it has to do with the implied sense of scale. It is definitely lush and pretty too.

It's the least cheesy and most forward thinking track on Amber by a long shot."

Wait! you think teartear sounds cheesy? That trk is sinister af. Also like BoomTss mentioned, I think vekoS has some "burn 'em all" moments.

https://youtu.be/hLnecKDUweA
Teartear is sinister for sure but yeah you gotta admit it's kind of a cheesy teenage variety of sinister. Nil always made me think of peaceful contact with aliens and Teartear gave me this image of one of the aliens getting beaten down on the deck of a battleship. That's about as sinister as it got for me, the whole album is a bit overly detached and polite except Yulquen and Piezo.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:40 PM

Teartear is a textbook tryhard closer, goes for menacing and ominous but comes off as goofy. It doesn't fit the rest of Amber, and ae quickly grew out of it. Nuane (particularly the loud jolt into Nuane) is a far more refined evolution of this dramatic closer impulse.

 

I think a lot of menacing ae moments come off as intentionally goofy, and I like that. The more irreverent insectoid organic variants are among their most disquieting, something like iera is about as latently dastardly as they veer, but their music is always too fun and (dare I say) joyous to disturb. Maybe a track with intense dramatic sweep like Surripere, Osla for n or eastre could come off as disturbing to some, it's all relative.

 

When I think of electronic artists evoking moods of moral absolute, Autechre aren't in the frame, their music isn't particularly engaged with such notions.


Edited by Roo, 17 September 2017 - 07:44 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:52 PM

Teartear is a textbook tryhard closer, goes for menacing and ominous but comes off as goofy. It doesn't fit the rest of Amber, and ae quickly grew out of it. Nuane (particularly the loud jolt into Nuane) is a far more refined evolution of this dramatic closer impulse.

 

I think a lot of menacing ae moments come off as intentionally goofy, and I like that. The more irreverent insectoid organic variants are among their most disquieting, something like iera is about as latently dastardly as they veer, but their music is always too fun and (dare I say) joyous to disturb. Maybe a track with intense dramatic sweep like Surripere, Osla for n or eastre could come off as disturbing to some, it's all relative.

 

When I think of electronic artists evoking moods of moral absolute, Autechre aren't in the frame, their music isn't particularly engaged with such notions.

Well said, especially about the goofiness. Often even when they get really nasty they can't help themselves but drop something silly in there. Even plyPhon, which I think is their apex of brutality (except the obvious stuff from elseq) develops a kind of sarcastic giggling melody toward the end of the track. They've talked a fair amount about hybrid emotions in their interviews and I think that's one of the tenets of their aesthetic, they're never quite here or there and it liberates them to try things no one else will.



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Posted 18 September 2017 - 03:56 AM

Yulquen is actually way more evil but it took me 20 years to realize it

lol really? Unless I'm getting the key completely wrong, it sounds like one of the prettiest things they've released.
yeah what the heck, Yulquen is pure lush Bladerunner esque sci-fi vibes.
"I always thought so too, but the way it evolves in the last half of the track started to creep me out a couple years ago. It's kind of hard to explain but it has to do with the implied sense of scale. It is definitely lush and pretty too.

It's the least cheesy and most forward thinking track on Amber by a long shot."

Wait! you think teartear sounds cheesy? That trk is sinister af. Also like BoomTss mentioned, I think vekoS has some "burn 'em all" moments.

https://youtu.be/hLnecKDUweA
Teartear is sinister for sure but yeah you gotta admit it's kind of a cheesy teenage variety of sinister. Nil always made me think of peaceful contact with aliens and Teartear gave me this image of one of the aliens getting beaten down on the deck of a battleship. That's about as sinister as it got for me, the whole album is a bit overly detached and polite except Yulquen and Piezo.
Let's not get carried away, it's all down to taste here. A whole spectrum of different things we can ponder/argue about. Ok Teartear may not be as sinister or dark, it may not "fit with the rest of amber" coz it's not as "refined" or tries too hard, but if this were 1994 you all would be holding crucifixes up at that shit. Fast forward to now - anything said on the matter is purely personal and subjective. I freakin' love the way that track sounds... Theres something about 'perlance' that is unnerving to me also, but I eat it up for breakfast!

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:01 AM

 

Teartear is sinister for sure but yeah you gotta admit it's kind of a cheesy teenage variety of sinister. Nil always made me think of peaceful contact with aliens and Teartear gave me this image of one of the aliens getting beaten down on the deck of a battleship. That's about as sinister as it got for me, the whole album is a bit overly detached and polite except Yulquen and Piezo.

Let's not get carried away, it's all down to taste here. A whole spectrum of different things we can ponder/argue about. Ok Teartear may not be as sinister or dark, it may not "fit with the rest of amber" coz it's not as "refined" or tries too hard, but if this were 1994 you all would be holding crucifixes up at that shit. Fast forward to now - anything said on the matter is purely personal and subjective. I freakin' love the way that track sounds... Theres something about 'perlance' that is unnerving to me also, but I eat it up for breakfast!

 

It's definitely down to taste. But I've listened to Amber hundreds, maybe a thousand times, so I feel entitled to my opinion on it at this point  :mu-ziq:

 

I didn't say it didn't fit with the rest of Amber - I think it fits in just fine. The mood in Foil, Further, and Teartear is very similar to me. And Glitch and Montreal are just around the corner.

 

I agree that Amber tries too hard and Autechre kind of obliquely acknowledged that, or at least said that they were going through an "annoying" phase. It's not hard to imagine how that went. They sent Warp the demo that became Incunabula, which naturally followed Legofeet and their live sets from the time. Then they were like oh fuck, we're signed, we better put a proper album together, cranked up the reverb and psyched themselves out somewhat. I wouldn't say it was a mis-step but it pales in comparison with Tri Rep which was bold, rich, and polished, except the screeching high end on some of the tracks like Leterel and Stud. It's not all that surprising that the outtakes (the Garbage EP) are so much more interesting and cohesive than Amber proper.

 

Slip, Piezo, Nine, and Yulquen are gorgeous though. Also Roo agreed with me about Teartear  :emotawesomepm9:

 

And yeah Perlence is great. It's one of the tracks where they really turned up the cheesiness but it's so fun. It reminds me of a flying battleship from Super Mario Brothers.



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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:18 AM

AE_LIVE
IS_EVIL

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 01:15 PM

AE_LIVE
IS_EVIL

what do you mean?


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Posted 18 September 2017 - 01:29 PM

AE_LIVE
IS_EVIL

 

tell em about the Lyon set !   :diablo:



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Posted 18 September 2017 - 01:32 PM

obvioulsy ae live dublin at 28:50

 

it seems is in every live track around 25:00 or so


Edited by qnio, 18 September 2017 - 01:35 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2017 - 03:03 PM

Second half of 1 1 is. Arch Carrier. Tankakern. Bine.

 

Known(1) is a goth drinking wine and listening to Coil.



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Posted 18 September 2017 - 03:34 PM

ah when Rob spank me ahh yea so evil yea ahh

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 04:40 PM

Second half of 1 1 is. Arch Carrier. Tankakern. Bine.

 

Known(1) is a goth drinking wine and listening to Coil.

1 1 is evil? That part to me is more like the synthetic equivalent of a chanting mantra in a Buddhist monastery. And Known (1) is like an old lady's house with a steel rocking chair.

Not saying you're wrong tho. Just expressing my take on it.



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Posted 18 September 2017 - 05:32 PM

absolutely, 1 1 is sounds like a bleak industrial disintegration to me.

 

 

also lol about known(1) gothness, I showed it to a friend once and he said "sounds like Coil!!"



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Posted 18 September 2017 - 07:58 PM

Teartear is sinister for sure but yeah you gotta admit it's kind of a cheesy teenage variety of sinister. Nil always made me think of peaceful contact with aliens and Teartear gave me this image of one of the aliens getting beaten down on the deck of a battleship. That's about as sinister as it got for me, the whole album is a bit overly detached and polite except Yulquen and Piezo.

Let's not get carried away, it's all down to taste here. A whole spectrum of different things we can ponder/argue about. Ok Teartear may not be as sinister or dark, it may not "fit with the rest of amber" coz it's not as "refined" or tries too hard, but if this were 1994 you all would be holding crucifixes up at that shit. Fast forward to now - anything said on the matter is purely personal and subjective. I freakin' love the way that track sounds... Theres something about 'perlance' that is unnerving to me also, but I eat it up for breakfast!
It's definitely down to taste. But I've listened to Amber hundreds, maybe a thousand times, so I feel entitled to my opinion on it at this point :mu-ziq:

I didn't say it didn't fit with the rest of Amber - I think it fits in just fine. The mood in Foil, Further, and Teartear is very similar to me. And Glitch and Montreal are just around the corner.

I agree that Amber tries too hard and Autechre kind of obliquely acknowledged that, or at least said that they were going through an "annoying" phase. It's not hard to imagine how that went. They sent Warp the demo that became Incunabula, which naturally followed Legofeet and their live sets from the time. Then they were like oh fuck, we're signed, we better put a proper album together, cranked up the reverb and psyched themselves out somewhat. I wouldn't say it was a mis-step but it pales in comparison with Tri Rep which was bold, rich, and polished, except the screeching high end on some of the tracks like Leterel and Stud. It's not all that surprising that the outtakes (the Garbage EP) are so much more interesting and cohesive than Amber proper.

Slip, Piezo, Nine, and Yulquen are gorgeous though. Also Roo agreed with me about Teartear :emotawesomepm9:

And yeah Perlence is great. It's one of the tracks where they really turned up the cheesiness but it's so fun. It reminds me of a flying battleship from Super Mario Brothers.
That's cool sweepstakes, I can respect your opinion, I my self have more of a less critical point of view on things, I guess - especially when it comes to Ae, the fan boi in me strips me of all analytical ability haha. I too have listened to every Ae release several times, I don't know about hundreds though! I have some catching up to do. But yeah when it comes to it the more I think about it, the more I realise that 'sinister' or evil, is something that is different to different people (duh) and when it comes down to it I personally don't associate Autechre music to any superficial emotion, not instantly anyway, and certainly some tracks lend themselves more than others to triggering emotions and feelings. My main attraction is definitely their rhythms and sound manipulation, emotions take a back seat for me. I find the whole 'evil' thing to be quite corny anyway - like, devil worshippers, they're just as ridiculous as Jehovahs witnesses to me.
About perlance - I don't get the cheese at all their mate. Mybe I take Ae too seriously? Dunno

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:25 PM

that one squirting sound? remember?



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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:34 PM

That's cool sweepstakes, I can respect your opinion, I my self have more of a less critical point of view on things, I guess - especially when it comes to Ae, the fan boi in me strips me of all analytical ability haha.

...
About perlance - I don't get the cheese at all their mate. Mybe I take Ae too seriously? Dunno

Oh, I'm critical of everything - it's not personal. It's my way of trying to understand things. I still love Ae as much as the next nerd. But I do think that Amber is in their 3 or 4 weakest releases.



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 05:06 PM

I've lovingly listened to Amber many scores of times over the years, and even though I consider it comfortably inside my top 5 Autechre albums, I treat Nil as closer more often than not. Teartear closing out that album just doesn't sit well with me. Other than that and some minor gripes with Silverside, I adore the album.



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 05:14 PM

so its seems that at least 50% of Ae music is evil :diablo:


Edited by Kavinsky, 19 September 2017 - 05:15 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2017 - 06:31 AM

I've lovingly listened to Amber many scores of times over the years, and even though I consider it comfortably inside my top 5 Autechre albums, I treat Nil as closer more often than not. Teartear closing out that album just doesn't sit well with me. Other than that and some minor gripes with Silverside, I adore the album.


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Posted 20 September 2017 - 04:27 PM

 

 

1 1 is evil? That part to me is more like the synthetic equivalent of a chanting mantra in a Buddhist monastery. 

 

 

Spot on :)

 

Always picture being up high in the himalayas in a trance and undergoing some kind of out of body ascension yada yada

 

One of my favourite Autechre moments for sure