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#26 acid1

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:35 PM

~$300 for a wavetable synth and a bunch of other features.  Most standalone wavetable synths go for about $200-300 (I recently purchased Serum and Erica Black Wavetable VCO both in that range)

 

I'm not put off by the price of an upgrade. Seems reasonable to me  :shrug:

 

That being said I'm probably not going to be a day 1er. Nothing really necessary for me.



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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:49 PM

A good overview of what Wavetable is capable of:

https://youtu.be/Vj3P8yHFuig

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 10:05 PM

Used to love Live...great effex...timestretch...routing etc

 

instruments really need a dock/undock feature

 

after getting used to renoise keyboard control...everything else feels unnatural...live crying out for macro commands

 

the editing looks better but damn come on with multi fades

 

wavetable thing obviously cool as are new fx 

 

190 for upgrade for suite is steep 



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Posted 02 November 2017 - 11:14 PM

instruments really need a dock/undock feature

 

 

 

yep. especially EQ8. it's really hard to do mixing in ableton without this. this is one area where pro tools and logic are still better than ableton. the workflow for mixing is much more efficient. 



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Posted 02 November 2017 - 11:36 PM

What's this dock/undock you speak of?  I'm unfamiliar with the term.... unless audio software is hip to urban slang now, in which case Ableton definitely needs a docking feature for the music I wanna make. 



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Posted 02 November 2017 - 11:51 PM

instruments really need a dock/undock feature



yep. especially EQ8. it's really hard to do mixing in ableton without this. this is one area where pro tools and logic are still better than ableton. the workflow for mixing is much more efficient.

EQ8 has a "big" view at least, unlike for instance Operator.

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 11:57 PM

 

 

instruments really need a dock/undock feature



yep. especially EQ8. it's really hard to do mixing in ableton without this. this is one area where pro tools and logic are still better than ableton. the workflow for mixing is much more efficient.

EQ8 has a "big" view at least, unlike for instance Operator.

 

 

True but fiddly as f

docking or undocking....basically just being able to move the instrument or effect window around and resize it

in cubase i can open the channel edit window with one key stroke...and close again with one key...same with opening instruments

imo u need to make things super fast and minimal so the program becomes as invisible as possible

that fact that you can now seemingly drag audio regions down and this creates a new track is good but so obvious...



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 12:05 AM

 

 

instruments really need a dock/undock feature



yep. especially EQ8. it's really hard to do mixing in ableton without this. this is one area where pro tools and logic are still better than ableton. the workflow for mixing is much more efficient.

EQ8 has a "big" view at least, unlike for instance Operator.

 

 

yeah this is fine but currently there is no way to compare two EQs on different tracks side-by-side



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 12:18 AM

Here's some more depth from a man with a stupid hat and a blazer

 



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 05:51 AM

Nope nope nope nope nope. Man in a hat can jolly well do one...

Watched the live tomcosm show and tell yesterday and loving the improvements to arrangement view, so much easier to manipulate pretty much everything! And finally time line scrolling and zooming with the mouse wheel

Max 8 next year too...

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 07:39 AM

This ones good:

 



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 07:43 AM

Aye, that's how you do it - no fluff, just facts ! Silly man in silly hat pulling silly faces.

(EDIT: Oh noes, silly hat on intro and outro too - that's learn me to not just skip around a video....what a twist....what's with all the silly hats?!)

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 08:11 AM

Anyone know if I can use the license on two different computers, not simultaneously? 



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 08:17 AM

You can.

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 08:21 AM

A good overview of what Wavetable is capable of:

Nice.  That's ripe for techno. 



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 08:57 AM

Nope nope nope nope nope. Man in a hat can jolly well do one...

Watched the live tomcosm show and tell yesterday and loving the improvements to arrangement view, so much easier to manipulate pretty much everything! And finally time line scrolling and zooming with the mouse wheel

Max 8 next year too...

 

Nope nope nope nope nope. Man in a hat can jolly well do one...

Watched the live tomcosm show and tell yesterday and loving the improvements to arrangement view, so much easier to manipulate pretty much everything! And finally time line scrolling and zooming with the mouse wheel

Max 8 next year too...

 

Do you know if this means you can now zoom in with the Mac touchpad? If so, I'm sold!

Sounds silly but this one was one of the main things that prevented me making the jump from Logic to Ableton. 



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 08:58 AM

zoom is terrible....only horizontal by the look of it



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 09:09 AM

This was the live stream I watched, FFwd to 1h 58 mins for lots of in depth looks (and no hats):


 

zoom is terrible....only horizontal by the look of it

Nope both ways apparently - @ 2h51m35s of the above stream
 

Do you know if this means you can now zoom in with the Mac touchpad? If so, I'm sold!
Sounds silly but this one was one of the main things that prevented me making the jump from Logic to Ableton.

Yep, also see that bit at 2:51:35 for details

(you can see my delighted reaction at 2:52:38 in the bottom right !)

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 09:18 AM

This was the live stream I watched, FFwd to 1h 58 mins for lots of in depth looks (and no hats):


 

zoom is terrible....only horizontal by the look of it

Nope both ways apparently - @ 2h51m35s of the above stream
 

Do you know if this means you can now zoom in with the Mac touchpad? If so, I'm sold!
Sounds silly but this one was one of the main things that prevented me making the jump from Logic to Ableton.

Yep, also see that bit at 2:51:35 for details

(you can see my delighted reaction at 2:52:38 in the bottom right !)

 

 

Thanks for that



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 10:42 AM

This ones good:

 

That makes me more exicted. Lots of tiny workflow improvements which are not getting enough attention.



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 12:54 PM

 

 

 

instruments really need a dock/undock feature



yep. especially EQ8. it's really hard to do mixing in ableton without this. this is one area where pro tools and logic are still better than ableton. the workflow for mixing is much more efficient.

EQ8 has a "big" view at least, unlike for instance Operator.

 

 

yeah this is fine but currently there is no way to compare two EQs on different tracks side-by-side

 

 

Agreed. I want to be able to do this.

 

Excited by the idea of Wavetable. I've recently got into using Animoog which is kind of wavetable I think and thoroughly enjoy it.


Edited by Polytrix, 03 November 2017 - 12:57 PM.


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Posted 03 November 2017 - 02:07 PM

Looks like it's finally adding basic editing features and shortcuts which have been lacking.

Glad about capture too, use the equivalent feature in Logic loads and lots.

Might start using it to do more than live sets after this update (which is nice because it's the only DAW that I've got Elektron Overbridge working as advertised in). 



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Posted 05 November 2017 - 02:20 AM

"Control Surfaces are now available when Live runs as a ReWire slave. This applies to both Push 1 and 2 as well."

 

I assume this means I can do some unholy thing like starting a track in Logic then using Push as a big drum machine / sampler without ever looking at the Live window on my screen. Pretty cool.

 

One thing I'm disappointed about is that they seem reluctant to integrate any music theory tools into the piano roll. I want to see the name of the chord I highlight. Or set scale lock and mindlessly paint some notes.



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Posted 05 November 2017 - 03:12 AM

yeah one thing i've suggested before in that area is having a sort of 'pallet' of chords available in the piano roll so you can paint a bunch of notes with a single click



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Posted 05 November 2017 - 04:03 AM

yeah one thing i've suggested before in that area is having a sort of 'pallet' of chords available in the piano roll so you can paint a bunch of notes with a single click

 

I would love it if they added something like this. Now I'm curious how close you can get with Max for Live. But something native would be even better.