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i was at the bookstore the other day and saw that this guy has written something called "12 rules for life: an antidote to chaos" and it's very serious looking and has a statement on the back from the new republic talking about what a great thinker he is. i remember seeing him on some joe rogan thing like a year ago and he seemed like kind of a self serious ass who had chosen trans pronouns as his hill to die on. now i guess he's like david foster wallace for the alt-right? am i wrong here? i remember limpyloo kept quoting him in that psychology thread so i'm assuming he's intellectually bankrupt. is this guy going to legitimize alt-right philosophy?

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He's a psychologist and has nothing to do with the alt-right, he simply says what he thinks.  I'm not going to sit and say I think he's great, because some of his ideas are bullshit and he tends to start sounding a bit crazy when he talks about his mythological crap, but he's great at succinctly refuting fallacious feminist ideological talking points.  It's easy to group individuals in with groups you dislike but it doesn't make your claims any more legitimate

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He's a douchenozzle. And we're sorry aboot him eh.

 

http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/is-jordan-peterson-the-stupid-mans-smart-person/

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-jordan-peterson-paradox-high-intellect-or-just-another-angry-white-guy/article37806524/

 

He is however, smart enough to make around 50K a month on his patreon through feeding the fertile young minds of /pol/ and r/thedon (or whatever the fuck that subreddit is called) the jizz-soaked fantasies they want to hear of "Valhalla under siege" and "fearing the other 101" ad nauseum.

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my reading of him is that, through his life experiences and also what he has learned in his line of work, he has developed a deep-seated aversion to anything that reduces the value and freedoms of the individual. so he rejects Marxism in its original sense and a lot of the collectivist/socialist movements of the 20th century that followed from that. up to this point, fine, like it's ok to have that opinion. and, in fact, some of what he says in a psychotherapy arena seems to make sense as applied to the individual, if you aspire to be one of those driven, stoic, classic-masculine types.

 

where he stumbles, imo, is extending his thinking to society at large and having this kneejerk reaction to "cultural marxism", which I'm not even sure exists in a unified sense. (it's one thing to apply "marxist" reasoning to society and culture, it's another thing to have a supposed movement of Cultural Marxism that wants to swallow everyone up and erase independent thinking.) he's blown up the last few years because of his opposition to new gender terms being thrown around on campuses these days as well as some laws relating to that. this stubbornness, plus an overall bleak and social-darwininan outlook on life in general, has made him appealing to the anti-progressive trash in his fanbase - but I don't think he's quite as bad as them.

 

parts of the alt-right has latched on to him for the resistance he's shown to the weirder strains of campus leftism, mistaking him for a conservative thinker. I don't think he actually is one. but he can also be annoyingly vague about where he stands on some things, in spite of the reasoning capability he displays. also he doesn't seem to understand that people might hail you as a champion of their movement if you say shit that they can use for themselves, even if you wouldn't want to associate with them.

 

this is just how I feel about him after watching a few videos and reading a few articles. I'm still not really decided on the guy.

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He's not opposed to new gender terms (personally chosen pronouns in this case), he was opposed to Canadian legislation that legally mandated the use of these pronouns since it was legislating language, and he holds the view that the language we're allowed to use is tightly coupled with the types of thoughts we are allowed to think, so such legislation is ethically unjustifiable regardless of whether it had good intent, however naive that intent may be

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it wasn't just about that. from an op-ed he wrote which is quoted on his wiki page:

 

I will never use words I hate, like the trendy and artificially constructed words "zhe" and "zher." These words are at the vanguard of a post-modern, radical leftist ideology that I detest, and which is, in my professional opinion, frighteningly similar to the Marxist doctrines that killed at least 100 million people in the 20th century.

that's all broader than just the issue of the bill. this is clearly a culture war to him, which is where the alt-right jump on board.

 

I mean, "zhe" and "zher" sound pretty stupid to me too, but if you think so then just say it, don't spin it as an ethics issue.

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Guy is a Canadian version of Ken Ham: alt-right and full of horrible ideas under the guise of a post-secondary perspecive. He has a big ego and a habit of making huge generalizations based off one one flawed study and dogmatically goes off on a tangent that is only vaguely related to the question at hand. Biggest problem is that no one is really attacking him; his academic background makes him a good debater, and he has the youtube/patreon/facebook marketing down pat. When he meets someone actually smart (i.e. Sam Harris) and be able to pick apart his bullshit, he will follow up by saying he is persecuted for his beliefs as a crutch and his youtube fanbase eats it up. Asides from that he isn't any different from the other right wing people, like like Milo Yiannopulous, who use educational instutitions as a cowardly springboard to attack our constitutional rights as like the nazi's did back in the early 20th century... and his followers increase by another few thousand overnight!

 

He's also a global warming and holocaust denier (as well as most of his fan base). Also wrote his his book about how he had a stare down incident with a 2 year old and fantasized about physically assaulting the child.

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Guy is a Canadian version of Ken Ham: alt-right and full of horrible ideas under the guise of a post-secondary perspecive. He has a big ego and a habit of making huge generalizations based off one one flawed study and dogmatically goes off on a tangent that is only vaguely related to the question at hand. Biggest problem is that no one is really attacking him; his academic background makes him a good debater, and he has the youtube/patreon/facebook marketing down pat. When he meets someone actually smart (i.e. Sam Harris) and be able to pick apart his bullshit, he will follow up by saying he is persecuted for his beliefs as a crutch and his youtube fanbase eats it up. Asides from that he isn't any different from the other right wing people, like like Milo Yiannopulous, who use educational instutitions as a cowardly springboard to attack our constitutional rights as like the nazi's did back in the early 20th century... and his followers increase by another few thousand overnight!

 

He's also a global warming and holocaust denier (as well as most of his fan base). Also wrote his his book about how he had a stare down incident with a 2 year old and fantasized about physically assaulting the child.

nice.

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he's a holocaust denier?  could sware i recall him talking about the holocaust in some lecture or podcast.. he went on about the nazis being terrible and stuff. but maybe that was joe rogan... lord of keta paleo diet suplements put coconut oil on everything masses.. 

 

to me he's just a very serious professor and wonk... some things he's said to me seem ridiculous but i don't have a background in any of those areas and so maybe it's one of those worlds where there are common lines of arguments that people get into and go around in academic circles at conferences 2 times a year and blah blah blah... 

 

anyway.. i've never read any of his books.. just a few things on youtube.  seems to follow some deep threads in history and what's it called.. uh.. evolutionary pscyhology? 

 

oh right.. he had some wild ideas about how males who are alies to feminists are weak and just playing out a role to be near women as a means to get in the pants and the only reason they do that is because they aren't alpha men and therefore have no way to further their genes w/o playing that role.. or something.. it's in that joe rogan podcast.  

 

some times, certain subjects, he talks about things like it's all black and white and ther'es no grey area.  it's strange to me.  

 

 

edit: flol.. kermit!

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I think he's good from what I've heard, which isn't a lot, but I like the talks about action and responsibility being the cure for young adults faced with nihilism and ennui. I find it does a lot of good in my personal life.

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His moral truth argument and the defense of religion are weak AF, the rest is okay i guess, he gets you motivated to clean your room for like an hour, after the effects wear off you are back to being the lazy resentful troll you always were and always will be.

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Seems like a nice guy.

Has been teaching about the holocaust, how awful it was and how to prevent something similar happening again for 30 years...that's a funny sort of denial.
Most of his best friends are Jewish and he's pointed out that a particular Jewish subgroup has on average the highest measured IQs of any group.

Don't agree with everything the guy says by a long shot but don't like seeing someone who's trying to good being completely misrepresented.*

Intellectually dishonestly is a fucking plague. 


*even if he sometimes does something similar in his 'post-modern-neo-marxist' rants.

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