Jump to content


Join WATMM Now!

Register and Subscribe now for as little 3.00 USD for one year to gain Supporting Member access. We also have other subscription packages to choose from that grant you extra abilities and features.

A subscription is required in order to post, reply to posts, start topics, search, and other features.

By joining and subscribing, you are helping support the forums, as well enable us to add new features and enhancements (and maintain them).

Once registered and logged in, you will be able to create topics, post replies to existing threads, get your own private messenger, post status updates, manage your profile and so much more.

To sign up for a subscription package, click your user name in the upper right, and choose "Client Area". Then, choose a package that suits your needs.

This message will be removed once you have signed in.


RDJ sample sources / crate-digging


  • Please log in to reply
16 replies to this topic

#1 joshuatx

joshuatx

    syrote

  • Knob Twiddlers
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,406 posts
  • 116 topics
  • Joined 22-April 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:austin, texas / atx, tx / waterloo, tejas
  • Country:United States

Posted 01 May 2018 - 01:29 PM

I joined this forum 10 years ago almost entirely based off the fact that I had become obsessed with RDJ's output and wanted to know more. Ironically 2008 was the year he was the most quiet, save for live gigs, so the past decade has been a whirlwhind of scraping every single thing he did in the past to this exciting barrage of new / unreleased music that came out. Caustic Window. Soundcloud Dumps. Syro. I saw him live at Day For Night.

 

Nonetheless he remains a bit of an enigma and mystery in the best way possible and once facet of this is speculating over his influences via sampling and crate-digging. The soundcloud dump and the Chappel Library Music reveal brought a lot of insight into this. 

 

Sampling was something I associated a lot more with peers of his like Luke Vibert and to a lesser degree early AE, Squarepusher, and Boards of Canada. But his early stuff is fairly riddled with it. I can't help but notice his palette of recognized samples is quite a scattering of unusual stuff - that of tv adverts, library music, movie sound bites. Very much a thift store finds, field recordings in arcades, or passive pop culture dabbling. Really reinforces his ability to create so much from limited resources.

 

Or so it seems. Is or was RDJ a record collecting nut? IIRC he mentioned listening to Juno downloads a lot to find interesting music. He seems to be a voracious listener of other people's music, his DJ sets are quite indicative of that, but that could be very much digital and streaming only. Anyone have any other insight via old interviews or stories?

 

 



#2 Time Tourist

Time Tourist

    Recently Joined

  • Members Plus
  • PipPip
  • 438 posts
  • 7 topics
  • Joined 15-May 15
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Space
  • SoundCloud URL:https://soundcloud.com/time-tourist-1
  • Country:Not Selected

Posted 01 May 2018 - 03:15 PM

I seem to remember him saying in an interview he is an absolute vinyl freak! 

Also that he always based his own releases on how they would fit on vinyl...  



#3 Bodhidharma

Bodhidharma

    Recently Joined

  • Members Plus
  • PipPip
  • 198 posts
  • 2 topics
  • Joined 09-July 16
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:UK
  • Country:United Kingdom

Posted 01 May 2018 - 04:31 PM

yeah i mean just take a look at his vinyl shelves HomePageModule-9331-32550.jpgcba to rotate it

 

also i think another facet of the difficulty of finding his influences is the fact that when he was asked (in the early days) of his influences and what artists hes currently listening to, he would always give a vague answer and prevaricate like "ah just some stuff my mates have shown me, lots of stuff really". hes definitely started to open up a bit more in recent years, my speculation is that any limelight he gives to other artists in interviews would take the light off him...kinda like a marketing technique. 



#4 nikisoko

nikisoko

    Recently Joined

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 131 posts
  • 10 topics
  • Joined 26-May 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:portland
  • SoundCloud URL:https://soundcloud.com/exit_only
  • Country:United States

Posted 01 May 2018 - 06:43 PM

wheres that photo from



#5 Bodhidharma

Bodhidharma

    Recently Joined

  • Members Plus
  • PipPip
  • 198 posts
  • 2 topics
  • Joined 09-July 16
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:UK
  • Country:United Kingdom

Posted 02 May 2018 - 07:14 AM

i took it when i went round, that was basically the only bit of the house he'd let me photo lmao, too much secret gear he doesnt want showing off. i had dinnr with him via a friend of mine who lives in cornwall 



#6 Joyrex

Joyrex

    OMAE WA MOU SHINDEIRU

  • Site Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 20,942 posts
  • 1,745 topics
  • Joined 03-June 99
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:WATMMopolis, Lower Aphex Distrct
  • SoundCloud URL:https://soundcloud.com/watmmofficial
  • Interests:annual percentage rate
  • Country:United States
  • PSN:Joyrex
  • Nintendo ID:Joyrex

Posted 02 May 2018 - 08:11 AM

RDJ: The Dinnr Sessions EP



#7 olo

olo

    2K, On My Way

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,980 posts
  • 9 topics
  • Joined 04-June 13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:stuck on the 9-4
  • Interests:Frequency
  • Country:United States

Posted 02 May 2018 - 08:25 AM

which image best represents the dining setup Bodhidharma?

 

A.

vzevwz.jpg

 

B.

Bart%2BThanksgiving%2B4.png

 

 

C.

Simpsons_06_11__977485.jpg



#8 joshuatx

joshuatx

    syrote

  • Knob Twiddlers
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,406 posts
  • 116 topics
  • Joined 22-April 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:austin, texas / atx, tx / waterloo, tejas
  • Country:United States

Posted 02 May 2018 - 09:04 AM

yeah i mean just take a look at his vinyl shelves HomePageModule-9331-32550.jpgcba to rotate it

 

also i think another facet of the difficulty of finding his influences is the fact that when he was asked (in the early days) of his influences and what artists hes currently listening to, he would always give a vague answer and prevaricate like "ah just some stuff my mates have shown me, lots of stuff really". hes definitely started to open up a bit more in recent years, my speculation is that any limelight he gives to other artists in interviews would take the light off him...kinda like a marketing technique. 

 

quite a photo

 

totally right about he's reluctance in the past to shed light on influences, def opened up a bit about that

 

it's ironic that the artists whose taste I'd care most about are often the least willing to talk about, whereas plenty of people, good and bad, cite RDJ as a big influence



#9 acid1

acid1

    the iniquitous

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,665 posts
  • 54 topics
  • Joined 20-December 05
  • Gender:Male
  • SoundCloud URL:http://soundcloud.com/acid1
  • Country:United States
  • PSN:interpolate
  • XBOX360:interpolate1

Posted 02 May 2018 - 09:07 AM

i took it when i went round, that was basically the only bit of the house he'd let me photo lmao, too much secret gear he doesnt want showing off. i had dinnr with him via a friend of mine who lives in cornwall 

Did he finish his peas?



#10 Bodhidharma

Bodhidharma

    Recently Joined

  • Members Plus
  • PipPip
  • 198 posts
  • 2 topics
  • Joined 09-July 16
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:UK
  • Country:United Kingdom

Posted 02 May 2018 - 09:39 AM

fLOL u guys, feel like ive already gone too deep. i was only joshin about,  :biggrin:  the pic just from his bleepstore page lol, on the "my links" bit

 

just wanted to hav a bit of fun, dont castigate me  :sad: ily all



#11 olo

olo

    2K, On My Way

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,980 posts
  • 9 topics
  • Joined 04-June 13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:stuck on the 9-4
  • Interests:Frequency
  • Country:United States

Posted 02 May 2018 - 10:01 AM

oh internets...



#12 HexagonSun

HexagonSun

    Recently Joined

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 225 posts
  • 10 topics
  • Joined 07-June 13
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:New Guinea Pigz
  • Country:Somalia

Posted 04 May 2018 - 06:25 PM

#Delete internet



#13 killabyte11

killabyte11

    Recently Joined

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 229 posts
  • 4 topics
  • Joined 12-September 14
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:creating something from nothing/music
  • Country:United States

Posted 04 May 2018 - 07:47 PM



#14 killabyte11

killabyte11

    Recently Joined

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 229 posts
  • 4 topics
  • Joined 12-September 14
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:creating something from nothing/music
  • Country:United States

Posted 06 May 2018 - 12:40 PM

As for influences, it's pretty well documented that the first part of his career was influenced by the techno, acid house, drum & bass and the burgeoning underground dance music/rave scene. There are literally thousands of incredible tunes to be mined from those genres. Besides those influences he listened to early electronic composers such as Iannis Xenakis, Bernard Parmegiani among many others and probably composers like La Monte Young and Erik Satie.


As far as sampling goes, sampling in electronic music...dance music,industrial etc. is often far more than the basic sample playback style of hip hop. Many hardware samplers of old have pretty extensive synthesis capabilities that allow you to mangle/mutilate the sounds that you put into them to something unrecognizable from the original or at least give you something quite different from what was put in and each sampler has it's own qualities. So sampling your own sounds, drum machines etc. can be changed pretty drastically once manipulated through the sampler. Take the kick in a track like isopropanol which was overdriven on I believe a Casio FZ-10M for instance.
Although I'm not a fan of this guys music, this video demonstrates nicely another way in which, what you put in is not what you get out in old school hardware samplers. I have 3 of the samplers demonstrated here. Wish I had that Emulator II or those Rolands.

Edited by killabyte11, 06 May 2018 - 12:40 PM.


#15 joshuatx

joshuatx

    syrote

  • Knob Twiddlers
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,406 posts
  • 116 topics
  • Joined 22-April 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:austin, texas / atx, tx / waterloo, tejas
  • Country:United States

Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:28 AM

Junkie XL is alright, put out some underrated 'big beat' stuff back in the late 90s / early 00s

 

Good point about him using samplers so extensively to create his early sound. I recall an interview where he mentioned manipulating 808 bass a lot and other WATMMers have pointed out some amazing finds/realizations. The direct samples are really just the tip of the iceberg.



#16 Bubba69

Bubba69

    2K, On My Way

  • Knob Twiddlers
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,686 posts
  • 70 topics
  • Joined 25-November 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Country:United States
  • PSN:wetpaste

Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:42 AM

As for influences, it's pretty well documented that the first part of his career was influenced by the techno, acid house, drum & bass and the burgeoning underground dance music/rave scene. There are literally thousands of incredible tunes to be mined from those genres. Besides those influences he listened to early electronic composers such as Iannis Xenakis, Bernard Parmegiani among many others and probably composers like La Monte Young and Erik Satie.


As far as sampling goes, sampling in electronic music...dance music,industrial etc. is often far more than the basic sample playback style of hip hop. Many hardware samplers of old have pretty extensive synthesis capabilities that allow you to mangle/mutilate the sounds that you put into them to something unrecognizable from the original or at least give you something quite different from what was put in and each sampler has it's own qualities. So sampling your own sounds, drum machines etc. can be changed pretty drastically once manipulated through the sampler. Take the kick in a track like isopropanol which was overdriven on I believe a Casio FZ-10M for instance.
Although I'm not a fan of this guys music, this video demonstrates nicely another way in which, what you put in is not what you get out in old school hardware samplers. I have 3 of the samplers demonstrated here. Wish I had that Emulator II or those Rolands.

 

I'm not a huge fan of his music (he has some decent soundtrack pieces) but I love those videos. That sampling one is one of the best.



#17 killabyte11

killabyte11

    Recently Joined

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 229 posts
  • 4 topics
  • Joined 12-September 14
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:creating something from nothing/music
  • Country:United States

Posted 10 May 2018 - 08:50 AM

Put simply, a lot of sampling in electronic music with the exception of hiphop is more about sampling yourself, manipulating, then perhaps resampling. RDj also had a Sequential Circuits Studio 440 which is a 12bit sampler, sequencer which I think has some unique features for editing sound. I always attributed it to the sound of ICBYD era percussion, maybe because of the crunchy sound of the percussion on a lot of those tracks. It can be seen on stage with him in that live in Paris 1993 video.

Speaking of 808 sampling/manipulation...here's a good video that demonstrates what you can do with just an 808 kick and an E-MU E4 series samplers, which for those into drum & bass was the ultimate tool in the sound of that genre from around the mid 90' on.



......Yeah some of those Junkie XL videos are good,like the rare synths one. He has a hell of a studio.

Edited by killabyte11, 10 May 2018 - 08:51 AM.