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Welcome to the watmm bois club Mushy ;o

 

I'm only welcoming you, not a member sorry.

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... you just think you're above it probably because you feel alienated by it culturally...

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Welcome to the watmm bois club Mushy ;o

 

I'm only welcoming you, not a member sorry.

 

ill show you a member

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... you just think you're above it probably because you feel alienated by it culturally...

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Disagree. One of the key tenets (IMHO of course) is that good music transcends class, race, ethnicity, culture, gender, etc. It's one of the main reasons I've always been drawn to electronic music.

 

Making an argument that you don't like footwork because you "don't get it culturally", to someone that actually appreciates just straight up GOOD music, is bogus. 

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Maybe 25% comparable but nice try ;o

it has all the mentioned traits though!

 

tbh I didn't even realize how good a track it was until I posted it... I'm not sure I've ever listened to that ep in its entirety :fear:

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I read on Reddit that Aphex Twin was inspired by this visionary artist on his latest EP

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Maybe 25% comparable but nice try ;o

it has all the mentioned traits though!

 

tbh I didn't even realize how good a track it was until I posted it... I'm not sure I've ever listened to that ep in its entirety :fear:

 

 

wtf...listen to HAB nao!

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I may not have described your particular dislike of it perfectly but my comments still stand. It doesn't matter if you dislike trap flol, trap has been so ubiquitously influential, you can't run away from its influence at this point. Yeah you might not be using triplet hi hats or the same bass but there are certain rhythmic, melodic, atmospheric etc innovations/memes that have come out of trap that have an unarguable influence on almost every electronic musician that makes music today.

 

Also, while that Nate track might not be my favorite track in the world, there are some really interesting and great grooves that come and go throughout that track that I think shouldn't be ignored. Although it's a pretty sparse and amateurish track on the surface, it fucking rocks at some parts, and in really fresh and interesting ways to my ears. Maybe my assessment of why people dislike it is wrong, but I don't think you can deny that it has some great rhythmic ideas that are tied together in an unexpected way using just vocal samples/synths and minimal drums. It gets my head bobbing, which I didn't think could be done with such bare production. But that's just me. And yes I was being an ass by bringing race into it but there's a huge problem with the electronic bleep bloop music scene in terms of rejecting certain musical ideas/areas because it doesn't share the tropes/memes of their secret club of special bleep bloopy music made with expensive synths.

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... you just think you're above it probably because you feel alienated by it culturally...

hit-the-nail-on-the-head.jpg

 

 

Disagree. One of the key tenets (IMHO of course) is that good music transcends class, race, ethnicity, culture, gender, etc. It's one of the main reasons I've always been drawn to electronic music.

 

Making an argument that you don't like footwork because you "don't get it culturally", to someone that actually appreciates just straight up GOOD music, is bogus. 

 

 

 

huuurr.. duurrrr

i believe i listen to music in a vacuum lol. im the worlds biggest retard

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sounds like ross from friends except less experienced

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... you just think you're above it probably because you feel alienated by it culturally...

 

 

 

Disagree. One of the key tenets (IMHO of course) is that good music transcends class, race, ethnicity, culture, gender, etc. It's one of the main reasons I've always been drawn to electronic music.

 

Making an argument that you don't like footwork because you "don't get it culturally", to someone that actually appreciates just straight up GOOD music, is bogus. 

 

 

 

huuurr.. duurrrr

i believe i listen to music in a vacuum lol. im the worlds biggest retard

 

huh? =/ 

 

Sorry is that directed at me? I'm not sure I understand.

Edited by Bulk VanderHooj

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Yeah, I'm with you Drukqs. Dj Nate has some great stuff, and is deserving of respect. In 2010 when I first heard it, and it was my introduction to juke/footwork, I had a WTF reaction, and did not like it. However, in the last couple years, after having followed footwork seriously since 2012, I came back to DJ Nate, and some of his stuff bangs! And he is respected in the community.

This is the track that made me take a second try at DJ Nate:

 

 

Btw, agreed with Goiter that you hit the nail on the head earlier

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And yes I was being an ass by bringing race into it but there's a huge problem with the electronic bleep bloop music scene in terms of rejecting certain musical ideas/areas because it doesn't share the tropes/memes of their secret club of special bleep bloopy music made with expensive synths.

 

Mostly fair statements yeah. But this ^^  - certain musical ideas/areas have their place. And sometimes they are out of place. It's the whole reason we have genres. 

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my god this thread is a downer. 

 

sounds like ross from friends except less experienced

That new Ross from Friends album is incredible. I'm actually glad you mentioned that. Ppl need to check out 'Family Portrait' right now. 

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Btw, agreed with Goiter that you hit the nail on the head earlier

 

You can agree all you want. 

 

But there is literally no logic that stands when someone says "I know you hate bagpipe music but it's only because you don't understand 1000BC middle eastern culture" you just don't understand it so your dislike is unwarranted.

 

It's no different than footwork, trap, trance, IDM, jungle, etc. You don't have to have a full understanding of what it's like to be African American in Brooklyn in 1990 to like or understand rap or hip hop, as another analogy. 

 

This isn't complex.

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That new Ross from Friends album is incredible. I'm actually glad you mentioned that. Ppl need to check out 'Family Portrait' right now.

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Y'all just remember that Bulk spent like $300 on a an album he doesn't even like, so sometimes his judgement isn't to be taken too seriously.

 

:)

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That new Ross from Friends album is incredible. I'm actually glad you mentioned that. Ppl need to check out 'Family Portrait' right now.

 

^^^^this, but the knife is hands down the best track on it imo, wicked sampling/percussion, i want more in that vein, and longer in duration pls

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Y'all just remember that Bulk spent like $300 on a an album he doesn't even like, so sometimes his judgement isn't to be taken too seriously.

 

:)

 

I kind of pre-ordered before the shittiness of the music came out, to be fair. That was Warp's marketing from the get go - only produce as many as people pre-order because once people hear it, they won't want to order it! Don't want unsold shitstock in the blerp warehouse.

 

And my judgement is just fine thank you. 

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Ok. I'm willing to back off. I hear what you are saying Stephen. It's just easy to pick up from some of the sentiments in this thread that folks are shitting on the genre with little to no understanding of it. And it feels like there are some racial undertones when people who are presumably white are shitting on a genre that is predominately black. I have no interest in attacking or belittling you, and I hear that you are saying it is just a matter of taste for you. That's chill

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... you just think you're above it probably because you feel alienated by it culturally...

 

 

 

Disagree. One of the key tenets (IMHO of course) is that good music transcends class, race, ethnicity, culture, gender, etc. It's one of the main reasons I've always been drawn to electronic music.

 

Making an argument that you don't like footwork because you "don't get it culturally", to someone that actually appreciates just straight up GOOD music, is bogus. 

 

 

 

huuurr.. duurrrr

i believe i listen to music in a vacuum lol. im the worlds biggest retard

 

huh? =/ 

 

Sorry is that directed at me? I'm not sure I understand.

 

 

sorry im trying to start shit right before I go to bed for some reason

 

to be a bit more civil, "good" music doesn't ignore class or other surroundings, that stuff goes into it. I mean the kind of music you enjoy is greatly influenced by where you live, what you're surrounded by, how you were brought up, all that stuff influences how you perceive and interpret music and its quality. even more significant is that music is influenced by what came before it, the surroundings and circumstances in which it was made, etc. it has to be, music doesn't come out of the ether irrespective of everything else.

 

I'm not trying to say that all criticism is irrelevant, but what I'm trying to say here is that you might be missing a cultural piece of the puzzle that would allow you to appreciate whatever genre people are talking about in this thread (ive never heard of it). maybe you could come to appreciate it, or maybe not, who really cares, maybe in the end you just don't like that kind of music. but it's a mistaken assumption to believe that there's some essential quality of GOOD that goes into all good music. this goes for all media too.

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Ok. I'm willing to back off. I hear what you are saying Stephen. It's just easy to pick up from some of the sentiments in this thread that folks are shitting on the genre with little to no understanding of it. And it feels like there are some racial undertones when people who are presumably white are shitting on a genre that is predominately black. I have no interest in attacking or belittling you, and I hear that you are saying it is just a matter of taste for you. That's chill

 

I appreciate that - I'm just easy to rile when it comes to things like this I guess. I've literally travelled the world trying to observe, understand, and enjoy as many different cultures as I can (food, music, artefacts, HISTORY).

 

These things escalate especially quickly when online, especially because "tone" isn't easily apparent - I could probably have the same conversation with a few friends over a few beers (even using the same words) and it would seem WAY less fiery.

 

Sorry thread (and thread members)! 

Edited by Bulk VanderHooj

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... you just think you're above it probably because you feel alienated by it culturally...

 

 

 

Disagree. One of the key tenets (IMHO of course) is that good music transcends class, race, ethnicity, culture, gender, etc. It's one of the main reasons I've always been drawn to electronic music.

 

Making an argument that you don't like footwork because you "don't get it culturally", to someone that actually appreciates just straight up GOOD music, is bogus. 

 

 

 

huuurr.. duurrrr

i believe i listen to music in a vacuum lol. im the worlds biggest retard

 

huh? =/ 

 

Sorry is that directed at me? I'm not sure I understand.

 

 

sorry im trying to start shit right before I go to bed for some reason

 

to be a bit more civil, "good" music doesn't ignore class or other surroundings, that stuff goes into it. I mean the kind of music you enjoy is greatly influenced by where you live, what you're surrounded by, how you were brought up, all that stuff influences how you perceive and interpret music and its quality. even more significant is that music is influenced by what came before it, the surroundings and circumstances in which it was made, etc. it has to be, music doesn't come out of the ether irrespective of everything else.

 

I'm not trying to say that all criticism is irrelevant, but what I'm trying to say here is that you might be missing a cultural piece of the puzzle that would allow you to appreciate whatever genre people are talking about in this thread (ive never heard of it). maybe you could come to appreciate it, or maybe not, who really cares, maybe in the end you just don't like that kind of music. but it's a mistaken assumption to believe that there's some essential quality of GOOD that goes into all good music. this goes for all media too.

 

 

This I understand to an extent, thank you. Relatability and context is important for sure, none of this is objective. 

 

Can you think of a cultural background you could come from where you understand and appreciate Justin Bieber? Like actually appreciate it as an art? (And I'm not trying to draw a parallel between that and other musics, sorry). ;o

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Anyways, I'm off to bed. Sorry for the massive derailment and hopefully we (mostly myself I guess?) can keep things civil. 

 

Just got a bit butt chaffed at some of the comments. 

 

Sweaty dreams watmmers.  :catsalute:

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