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#51 oscillik

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 04:37 AM

splurging on 6th gen x1 because of 8th gen i7 which has much better performance with quadcore processors compared to 7th gen i7's dual core


Be aware though that the U series CPUs, which the X1 Carbon uses, will thermal throttle much quicker than the other series

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 10:40 PM

Get a polysterene Flopbook Zx008ŁŒŃ222. You can play internets and create porns if you use it incorrectly. 



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Posted 29 December 2018 - 12:07 AM

I went for an xps 13 against watmm advice
Waiting to regret it

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Posted 29 December 2018 - 02:46 AM

Sorry, last time I'll ask for someone to check but this spec seems considerably better than the one I posted earlier. I know it is aged but otherwise seems okay, is there a catch I am missing?

https://www.ebay.co....5fff388d8|iid:1

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Posted 29 December 2018 - 03:39 AM

na, that seems to be the usual price..checked with the other big refurbishers, exactly the same configuration..usually the display and ram are the big inflaters - price-wise.. found something interesting on the german ebay..same price, same config except FHD TouchScreen and 2nd battery..but B-ware..

 

https://www.ebay.co....biB-I:rk:1:pf:0



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Posted 29 December 2018 - 04:02 AM

Ah okay cool, thanks for checking it out.

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Posted 30 December 2018 - 03:15 AM

 

splurging on 6th gen x1 because of 8th gen i7 which has much better performance with quadcore processors compared to 7th gen i7's dual core


Be aware though that the U series CPUs, which the X1 Carbon uses, will thermal throttle much quicker than the other series

 

Ive read thermal throttling typically happens when docking your laptop which i dont plan to do, plus with 4 cores i doubt i'd have much of a problem with this unless i was running it at benchmark speeds all the time



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Posted 30 December 2018 - 09:16 AM

 

 

splurging on 6th gen x1 because of 8th gen i7 which has much better performance with quadcore processors compared to 7th gen i7's dual core


Be aware though that the U series CPUs, which the X1 Carbon uses, will thermal throttle much quicker than the other series

 

Ive read thermal throttling typically happens when docking your laptop which i dont plan to do, plus with 4 cores i doubt i'd have much of a problem with this unless i was running it at benchmark speeds all the time

 

 

Absolutely untrue — I have a Surface Pro 4, which uses a U-series CPU, and it thermal throttles very often. I also have a ThinkPad X230 with an M-series i7 CPU, which also thermal throttles when it isn't docked (albeit needs to be doing more for longer before it does).

 

Also, the amount of cores you have doesn't have any bearing whether you're more or less likely to thermal throttle.



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Posted 30 December 2018 - 06:30 PM

hmm damn alright have you tried undervolting/ throttlestop or repasting the cpu?



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Posted 31 December 2018 - 09:38 AM

This talk of thermal throttling (thanks osc!) made me dig further into things - actually very useful as I was on the edge of pulling the trigger on a HP computer then backed off when I found some info on this very issue.

 

Found this website to be helpful: https://www.notebookcheck.net/ 

 

They generally seem to do a good job putting laptops through their paces, including stress testing to reveal how a laptop might function under extreme conditions, including a look at temperatures + what speed a processor might drop to under heavy use. Probably good to pay attention to the specific model/specs, but seems like a good place to sanity check - particularly if getting something that might be used for heavy applications. 



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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:04 AM

Thermal throttling may not be an actually big deal for many users is the thing that often gets lost in the specs talk. Especially if you want a thin and light and cheap laptop, you've gotta accept some concessions, and that's possibly one of them. Depends on the use case and all that. If you're talking about rendering videos or running seven instances of Serum on your DAW then maybe you just need to get a desktop...or pay for an expensive (and likely large) laptop that can handle that....or maybe just accept that the video rendering will take 65 minutes instead of 56 or you can only open four instances of Serum at a time. Is it really worth an extra $1000 and a thicker laptop with shittier battery life to be able to do those things slightly faster or slightly more? That's a question we all must ask ourselves when the gods question us at the pearly gates of Best Buy.

 

You're all smart people so just a little reminder, basically. :)



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Posted 31 December 2018 - 11:09 AM

Has anyone stateside bought a refurbished laptop via Goodwill? Or bought a refurbished laptop in general?

 

I just need something simple to replace my PC to record with and out of via a Tascam 122: Win 7, 500mb HD or so.



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Posted 01 January 2019 - 04:33 PM

thx T355, that website was v helpful

 

helped me decide on the Lenovo T480s over x1 carbon 6th gen because of better thermals, looks like the perfect laptop!


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Posted 02 January 2019 - 07:13 AM

Np! Let us know how you like your T480s when you get it - looking forward to your review!



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Posted 07 January 2019 - 12:56 PM

Ok - took the plunge and got a Lenovo Legion Y530, here's a mini-review. Although it took a lot of self-restraint to not spring for the i7 Y730 (aluminum chassis + RGB backlit keyboard + better GPU + better screen) I think I made a wiser choice with the Y530. After some fairly exhaustive research, the issues that most reviewers have with this computer are the weak display panel, the (ostensibly) too spongy keyboard, and the somewhat odd configuration of the keyboard and touchpad layout (will not discuss processor here, as you can get either model with essentially the same configs). Having the aluminum chassis would be nice from a stability/quality standpoint, but the plastic used for most of the components here does not seem like pieces of crap. With a Holiday discount of 25%, I was able to get this for under ~$840 after tax. Specific specs under spoiler if folks are interested. 

 

SPECS

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What's a Legion and does Lucifer know you have one? Also, why you might want to get a gaming laptop (might)

For those who don't know, the "Legion" series is Lenovo's gaming focused set. Because of this, the configuration (I believe) has some aspects that recommend it for a music production workstation. E.g., the way the laptop is set up includes two large fans, fans on the GPU, and what appears like a fairly well thought out venting system. In doing general research on music making laptops, it seems like gaming laptops often cross the divide, being designed as little workhorses to run programs that are consistently running/giving the processor a workout. Which (I think) means that even the base configurations for these devices are geared more to the type of stuffs that a music maker might throw at a machine vs. say, an office product. Take that all with massive doses of NaCl as I'm just a dude who googles shit. And confirmation bias is a real and true aspect of life. 

 

Concerns (or lack thereof):

My main concern for this thing will be: does this hold up to long-term use. My sense is that laptops by their very nature are going to crap out w/in a certain timeframe. You are showing a lot of stuff into a small compartment, and there will never be the same sort of ability to replace/upgrade as with a desktop. You're paying for the convenience of portability, which includes a certain amount of inherent planned obsolescence. The numpad location is not significantly problematic for me, I will get used to it. Additionally, since I'm NOT gaming the slightly spongy (but still very responsive keyboard) and the slightly dull display means nothing to me. Also, the GTX 1050 (no TI) is also not something that I find to be problematic in the least. This comp is purely for schoolwork and music making. All the negative hits that probably pushed this down in price to a sweet spot for me aren't negatives for me at all

 

The one thing I'd put in the "legitimate concern" category (for what I do) is the limited # of USB ports. It's not bad for a laptop. There are 3 (one on each side, one on the back, which I think is the only USB 3.0 interface). One used for wireless keyboard/mouse, one for Focusrite Scarlett Solo and one for Midi Keyboard =  no more for anything else. Just not enough (again, for me) so will be investing in a USB hub sometime soon. 

 

Joys (or how I learned to stop worrying and love the comp)

It's been ~5 years since I built my PC and the one I configured at that time was built specifically to run VR applications. i4770-k, GTX 1080 TI, 256gb SSD + 1 Terabyte hard drive, can't remember how much RAM (think 32 gigs), etc. etc. For it's time, it was pretty much a beast. The thing also weighed metric ass-ton. Used to lug it around to schools to do VR demonstrations for education and. . . well, let's just say I got my steps in those days. 

 

Given all that, I'm sort of gobsmacked that I seem to be getting a similar performance out of this thing that weighs 5 pounds and takes up 13% of the real-estate. The SSD that came with thing thing was actually rated as somewhat slower compared to other NVME SSD's but it still boots in about 3 seconds. Programs are likewise snappy, w/ M$ word launching in what seems like a millisecond and Renoise (though w/ no real VST's to speak of) in about 2 seconds. Not surprising coming from 5 year -old tech to 2019 but still. I know this will all change as time goes on and I add more shit, I know, but I'm still impressed. 

 

The computer itself is pretty fucking sexy, in an understated way. You basically would have no idea this was a gaming machine (it's missing most of those gaudy red touches or multi-colored lights blasting out of it's ass like a unicorn shitting rainbows). The exceptions would be the back "ledge" of the Laptop and the word "LEGION" with a "Y" inside the "O" that light up. Again, subtle - just enough to make it interesting, but not garish or offensive. Stealth badassery. The look is utilitarian, polished, formal with aforementioned hints of intrigue. 

 

PerformanceThis gets a highlight, as this what (for me) is the most important. I did a light stress test last night using a breakbeat XRNI in Renoise, about 4 instances of Serum and one instance of Reaktor. The processor hit about 54% at it's most active. Keep in mind, this is with 0 tweaking of the OS, no changes to the power plan (it was still set on "balanced,") on 8GB of RAM, with an i5 processor. I was kind of floored. While this is not necessarily indicative of a completed project file, and although I did not choose presets that tend to max out either VST, I specifically chose VST's I know tend to put pressure on the system and I really expected things to slow to a crawl. 0 signs of slowdown, no audio dropouts, etc. etc. Performance was on par with what I used to see with my desktop under these conditions (though I suspect given the relatively small amount of RAM - which can be upgraded to 32gb incidentally - I would like start running into mem problems fairly soon). 

 

I will continue to test and report back here. I suspect that I'll hit a ceiling in performance relatively soon, but what I've seen so far is totally workable for a sub $900 machine with a good pedigree and a nice balance to form and function. I've already accepted there will likely be instances where I need to bounce down audio - but given the fact that it looks like I could likely run at least a few instances of my favorite VST's + additional, minimal footprint progs leaves me ecstatic. 

 

Thank you!

Big thanks to everyone here (WATMM massif) - particularly to those who put me on the Lenovo path, as well as Osc who brought up what I actually consider to be a fairly important metric to consider after reading more about it (thermal throttling). I found a lot of laptops with some great looking specs but stress tests showed a serious dip against advertised clock speeds. This makes total sense, since most people using a laptop are NOT hammering it with programs that demand a lot out of the processor consistently. Eventually lead me down the path of seriously considering a gaming laptop and feel like a got a really good deal on a machine which is designed (albeit not intentionally) to do what I want it to. fanks all! 


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 01:08 AM

ordered my t480s !

 

8GB RAM - planning to update to 24GB 

Intel i5 8250 GPU

WQHD screen - meant to be great, paid extra for this

128GB SSD - planning to update to 1TB SSD

 

gonna be in Aus in a month  :catface: