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1 hour ago, digit said:

still working on it. would have gotten more done today but instead spent 4 HOURS STRAIGHT trying to track down a midi bug in Reaper that was scrambling the g2's patch cc values every time i stopped / started the transport. literally went thru every single preference & option in the app trying to fix the problem. in the end i wasn't able to fix it & still have no idea what is causing the problem but was able to come up with a temporary workaround. 

i feel sorry for people who have to work with midi in Reaper. what a mess https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=181729

i am ten years deep into Reaper MIDI (and I wrote some of the JS fx on there) - PM me, maybe I can help. (or email dan @ remaincalm.org )

you want to add a MIDI/midi_logger plugin the very end of the track that's sending to your G2, hit start/stop from an empty MIDI section, and report what shows up.
i can also suggest a good set of vanilla MIDI device options in case some of them are in a weird state now.

 

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AE 2008-04-04 Live @ Echoplex replicated by ios / digit from the original 2008 tour patches supplied by Autechre.   wav 24bit (842,699 KB) https://we.tl/t-4Np8cXcBZQ   fl

ios and i have been working on the mix and we're currently on revision #6. things have been getting better but all along the way something has still seemed off, like there was something missing. after

Friday 04/12/2020 19:00 GMT for the wetransfer URL. @digit and @jules want a few days to finalise artwork and notes, I may do some final tweaking.

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21 hours ago, dub3000 said:

i am ten years deep into Reaper MIDI (and I wrote some of the JS fx on there) - PM me, maybe I can help. (or email dan @ remaincalm.org )

you want to add a MIDI/midi_logger plugin the very end of the track that's sending to your G2, hit start/stop from an empty MIDI section, and report what shows up.
i can also suggest a good set of vanilla MIDI device options in case some of them are in a weird state now.

 

thanks for the offer! pm sent.

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On 7/8/2019 at 11:35 AM, digit said:

still working on it. would have gotten more done today but instead spent 4 HOURS STRAIGHT trying to track down a midi bug in Reaper that was scrambling the g2's patch cc values every time i stopped / started the transport. literally went thru every single preference & option in the app trying to fix the problem. in the end i wasn't able to fix it & still have no idea what is causing the problem but was able to come up with a temporary workaround.

i feel sorry for people who have to work with midi in Reaper. what a mess https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=181729

 

On 7/8/2019 at 1:18 PM, dub3000 said:

i am ten years deep into Reaper MIDI (and I wrote some of the JS fx on there) - PM me, maybe I can help. (or email dan @ remaincalm.org )

you want to add a MIDI/midi_logger plugin the very end of the track that's sending to your G2, hit start/stop from an empty MIDI section, and report what shows up.
i can also suggest a good set of vanilla MIDI device options in case some of them are in a weird state now.

 

almost unable to find the start button to turn on the computer, all I can do is thank, once again, all of you who are investing energy in something that I await with that enchanted exaltation that I thought I had lost along with innocence, at the time in which, waiting for Christmas, I did not yet know that Santa Claus does not exist and that all of us, one day, will have to die.

 :cisfor:

 

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excuse my ïgnôràncé but, in the process of merging all the machines together, does the nord stuff include midi notes/sequences besides the patches themselves, or does it have to be done by hand & ear(!)??

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The Nord "stuff" consists of:

  • sound patches (uploadable to Nord); these patches may include sequences of midi notes internally
  • midi sequences, which are stored in the MPC1K
  • manual tweaking

Just sending those sequences (from MPC1K >> Nord) would probably be insufficient because Ae tweak things live.

Digit has been working on reconstructing that "stuff" above, especially the "manual tweaking" part.

In the process of merging all the machines, we're working on the same Reaper project so everything is locked time-wise.

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On 7/18/2019 at 11:25 PM, IOS said:

The Nord "stuff" consists of:

  • sound patches (uploadable to Nord); these patches may include sequences of midi notes internally
  • midi sequences, which are stored in the MPC1K
  • manual tweaking

Just sending those sequences (from MPC1K >> Nord) would probably be insufficient because Ae tweak things live.

Digit has been working on reconstructing that "stuff" above, especially the "manual tweaking" part.

In the process of merging all the machines, we're working on the same Reaper project so everything is locked time-wise.

thank you.

at first i thought no midi sequences were present, just the patches and related arpeggios, etc.

what you and Digit are doing is truly amazing. a lot of work involved(!). hope you guys are having a great time (i guess you are).

[by "stuff" i mean no disrespect btw; just trying to sound cool because i'm not :^)]

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No disrespect perceived whatsoever man?I placed the word in quotation marks to make it more specific.

I forgot to mention that indeed, as you say, we're recreating this by ear, by listening to the original and entering the various parameters into Reaper. This includes drawing the tempo increase; figuring out the pattern changes for MD, MM and MPC (and entering them into Reaper as MIDI Program Change events); imported to Reaper the MPC MIDI sequences (meant for the Nord); now digit draws the Nord live tweaks into Reaper.

I'm really typing this so that we all think, if recreating it sounds like a lot of work, imagine how much work B&B put into composing it!!

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4 hours ago, IOS said:

No disrespect perceived whatsoever man?I placed the word in quotation marks to make it more specific.

I forgot to mention that indeed, as you say, we're recreating this by ear, by listening to the original and entering the various parameters into Reaper. This includes drawing the tempo increase; figuring out the pattern changes for MD, MM and MPC (and entering them into Reaper as MIDI Program Change events); imported to Reaper the MPC MIDI sequences (meant for the Nord); now digit draws the Nord live tweaks into Reaper.

I'm really typing this so that we all think, if recreating it sounds like a lot of work, imagine how much work B&B put into composing it!!

absolutely!! putting together the puzzle piece by piece while listening to the live recording. brutal.

in the spectacular IO live show version, besides the MM&MD things, there are some syncopated kicks, stretched snares, and some more weird shit also, and makes me wonder how the f*ck that's going to come up in the Digit&IOS rendition.
take all the time you need m8s and have fun

about The Bros composing this... makes me love them even more :wub:

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On 7/8/2019 at 10:35 AM, digit said:

trying to track down a midi bug in Reaper that was scrambling the g2's patch cc values every time i stopped / started the transport.

That's almost definitely recorded (intentionally or otherwise) CC values, found in MIDI regions earlier in the Reaper project. Check by using Reaper's MIDI editor's in Event List mode, for CC/NRPN values that you didn't intend to have in your region.

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On 7/30/2019 at 2:12 AM, IOS said:

@digit

That's almost definitely recorded (intentionally or otherwise) CC values, found in MIDI regions earlier in the Reaper project. Check by using Reaper's MIDI editor's in Event List mode, for CC/NRPN values that you didn't intend to have in your region.

Reaper tries to play forward the last registered value for each CC when you restart playback at a later point, and in this session it was glitching params that were meant to be left as default. It's deliberate behavior but wasn't working well with the provided MIDI sequences.

I hacked up a JS effect to drop the first few MIDI messages on playback start which hopefully let the group move past that blocker.

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@dub3000 Yep, I'm aware of that behaviour as well as its cause. But have we/you concluded that it's deliberate?

Curious to find out as I've noticed you filed a bug report at reaper.fm about this exact same issue.

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On 8/14/2019 at 9:10 PM, IOS said:

@dub3000 Yep, I'm aware of that behaviour as well as its cause. But have we/you concluded that it's deliberate?

Curious to find out as I've noticed you filed a bug report at reaper.fm about this exact same issue.

almost certain that it's deliberate, although there should be a toggle to disable it.

the specific bug i reported is a bit subtle - there's a MIDI command to reset all CC values to default, and this should (in theory) cancel out any CCs that are being traced, but that's not what happens. i'll nudge the bug again at some point.

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any kind soul wanna re-up the versions of this that IOS has already done? just hunted back through the thread and as i expected, all the links are dead. i had one at least but can't find it. 

also, any remixing happening? figured there'd be a ton of that

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16 hours ago, auxien said:

any kind soul wanna re-up the versions of this that IOS has already done? just hunted back through the thread and as i expected, all the links are dead. i had one at least but can't find it. 

also, any remixing happening? figured there'd be a ton of that

I can in a few hours when I'm within reach of my laptop if no one else has by then. 

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Crap, I'm sorry, I've only got the one with everything that's been shared so far combined.... not the individual tracks before they were merged.... 

But.... 

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Here is it...

 

https://mega.nz/#!oBkGWAYY!PBuI0uBMK0pvWIRi-wnggL0tQCitTL51h259mCy2KsU

 

Again, sorry about that. 

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17 hours ago, darreichungsform said:

I wonder what Rob and Sean will think of the replica. They'll probably love it

wasn't spi talking about one of them hearing it earlier ITT?

6 hours ago, Hk47 said:

Crap, I'm sorry, I've only got the one with everything that's been shared so far combined.... not the individual tracks before they were merged.... 

But.... 

=/

Here is it...

 

https://mega.nz/#!oBkGWAYY!PBuI0uBMK0pvWIRi-wnggL0tQCitTL51h259mCy2KsU

 

Again, sorry about that. 

apologies unnecessary of course, thanks for posting what you've got! this was the best one yet of course so it's appreciated :) digging in on it again now

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Right on

 

Well, if anyone else wants it, grab it. I'll keep it up on my mega account for a few months (unless the final result is completed before then).

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