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NAMM 2019 : The thread


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#151 Braintree

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 02:58 PM

 

 

 

 

 

I was quietly hoping they'd do an additive synth in the Digitone/Digitakt form. Obv. the demo made it clear that wasn't happening.

Uh, digitone is an additive synth.
I've always seen it advertised (including from Elektron) as an FM synth. FM and Additive are not the same thing.
Additive is an umbrella term that includes FM.
no, it isn’t

There’s 2 schools of thought. I’m talking about additive vs subtractive. Where you are either adding or subtracting harmonics.

 

 

 

FM is another completely different approach to either one of those. Additive synthesis is basically just adding more and more oscillators that do not modulate each other. FM requires that one signal (modulator) changes another (operator).

 

Also, some synths can do all of them. For instance, you can do FM/additive/subtractive with the FM8, but the Digitone is only set to do FM.



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 04:13 PM

Re: microfreak: looks interesting. I'm a big fan of digital oscillators into analog filters.

Too bad it's only paraphonic, though at this price point that's to be expected.

I'm sure it'll be fun and capable of great sounds. I have a Shruthi and a Braids, so I'm all set for MI sounds through analog filters otherwise I would be all over this thing.

Speaking of MI: the source code was released with a very permissive open source license, so it's to be expected it ends up in strange places. Calling it a collaboration is stretching it, but, hey, there's both MI work and Arturia work in this thing so, you know ...

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 04:27 PM

the Digitone is only set to do FM.

 

and subtractive!


I'm a big fan of digital oscillators into analog filters.

same, I haven't looked at the videos yet though.. will have to give it a go today



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 04:59 PM

lol arturia video teaser ffs can’t wait to see a good demo of it, at 299 euros it looks like a no brainer IMHO

Yeah terrible video. Sounds like a Prodigy D side lol. 



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 06:56 PM

Microfreak looks fun but the whole lifting MI code and calling it a collab is kinda icky. Now that I've talked myself out of it and saved $300, I think I'll lift it myself for use with SC...

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 08:25 PM

^gonna have to read what all that's about

 

In the meantime, I'm considering buying this if only as an investment.

 



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:44 PM

Additive and subtractive are terms that apply to many mediums, and I still argue that in that sense, FM is additive. Even though it’s more like multiplication.

But whatever you’re right I’m wrong I learned something today I admit it even though I already knew the difference between fm and drawbar and even though I can use both of them better than most people here!

But I don’t have time I’m just a dumb day laborer these day yessir. Pressured washed a house today, two stories, made $800 bucks but that money’s already spent. I think about music all the time when I’m sitting in my truck in the dark parking lot of a Home Depot eating a Wendy’s $4 meal deal listening to classic county.

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:24 PM

^gonna have to read what all that's about

 

In the meantime, I'm considering buying this if only as an investment.

 

:facepalm:



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:37 PM

here's mutable's statement about the arturia synth:

 

https://forum.mutabl...icrofreak/14878

Hello peeps!

There is a lot of noise on the internet regarding the Arturia Microfreak.

Let me clarify a couple of things.

First of all, Plaits’ code is open-source, which means that anybody is free to use it, as long as they credit me somewhere (it can be in a product description page, or a footnote in a downloadable manual, or an “about” dialog). This is why you can find Mutable Instruments’ DSP code in the Korg Prologue, the Axoloti, the Organelle, VCV Rack, and plenty of other bits of software or hardware. This is not stealing. Plaits’ code is a summary of everything I’ve learnt about making rich and balanced sound sources controlled by a few parameters, it’s for everyone to enjoy.

Now, regarding the Microfreak.

Arturia had been in the process of developing a hybrid synth for a while, and contacted me about using some of Plaits’ code inside. I had no objection to that.

In May, they invited me to their headquarters for a product development meeting where they showed me mockups of the Microfreak. It was fairly clear at this point that it was their product. The feature set, UX, sound engine were all already set in stone. The product obviously followed Arturia’s design language and branding. My expected contribution to the project was none: Arturia’s engineers would do their own thing with my code, the tone character and sound design was their responsibility. It was pointless for me to suggest features and ideas, or spill the beans about ideas I wanted to keep for upcoming Mutable Instruments products, and this awkward event felt more like a focus group.

Arturia offered to mention something like “Oscillator code from Mutable Instruments” in the product description, which is my preferred form of citation. No monetary compensation has ever been discussed – which is fair, because I provided exactly 0 hour of work and 0 original line of code. No contract has been drafted or signed.

Arturia contacted me back last week with a photo of the finished product. I never had the opportunity to playtest it. I have not been asked to approve or veto any promotional material.

As you can see, my involvement was fairly limited.

I don’t feel wronged. It’s their product.

However, I feel uneasy when people got excited, seeing it described as a collaboration between Mutable Instruments and Arturia, because none of the technical and design choices involved in this product originate from me. I have been quite disconcerted by the private messages congratulating me for this release and achievement. I know some people have been waiting for a Mutable Instruments keyboard synth, or at least non-modular product, for a while. Well, this is not it. That’s what I wanted to say to the world. I don’t want people to associate any negative experience they could have with this product with Mutable Instruments. I don’t want people to think that I endorsed or at least authorized some aesthetic decisions regarding this product or the communication surrounding it.

With its focus on local production, open-source, deliberate lack of marketing and advertising, Mutable Instruments is an unusual company. It’s stimulating and fun, but somewhat dangerous too. Turning Arturia into an enemy – those talks of boycotts and those tweets demanding justice – is only adding fuel to the fire and increasing the risks of getting me attacked in ways I don’t expect and I am not protected against.

If you care about me, move on! I need a lot of strength and energy at the moment, and it should all be focused on finishing new products.

So please let Arturia enjoy their release party, it’s hard work to ship a product. Buy their product if you think you’ll have fun and make good music with it, don’t buy otherwise. Buy Mutable Instruments products (or the Softube clones) if you want to fund me, or build your own and give the money to charities.

Love,
Émilie

 



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:44 PM

The original Yamaha FM synths were meant to provide some additive functionality, otherwise what are DX7 algo #32 and TX81Z algo #8 for? I don't see any problem calling them additive, although when it comes to additive, you probably want more than 4 or 6 oscillators.

 

Edit - ignatius beat me to it!


Edited by sweepstakes, 24 January 2019 - 10:46 PM.


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 11:24 PM

 ignatius beat me to it!

 

 

that's what she said...  :cisfor: 



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Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:47 AM

 

damn ! was this the FPGA based synth they teased last year ? looks promising !


Edited by D4M0, 25 January 2019 - 08:48 AM.


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:11 AM

That man is sufficiently caffeinated.

 

The microFREAK's keyboard is messing with my eyes. It looks like one of those memes with the saturation cranked beyond recognizability.



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Posted 27 January 2019 - 04:01 PM

This Elektron Sampler thing has got me wondering.  For those of us who don't have €700+ to spend (or indeed want to) on a sampler, what options are there if you're on a relative budget?  It would be nice to have the option to fuck around with samples since I've finally ditched Ableton I'm tending to work increasing OTB.


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Posted 27 January 2019 - 04:08 PM

This Elektron Sampler thing has got me wondering.  For those of us who don't have €700+ to spend (or indeed want to) on a sampler, what options are there if you're on a relative budget?  It would be nice to have the option to fuck around with samples since I've finally ditched Ableton I'm tending to work increasing OTB.

I have heard more and more good things about the newest Electribe sampler but i haven't had a chance to mess with one.

 

The Volca Sample is really fun, especially with an external sequencer like a beatstep pro.



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Posted 27 January 2019 - 05:14 PM

An MPC?



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Posted 27 January 2019 - 06:29 PM

The Volca Sample is really fun, especially with an external sequencer like a beatstep pro.

Yes. The note trigger implementation is dumbfounding (1 channel for each voice and it ignores note pitch and velocity) but once you get over that you have 12 CCs per voice to go to town on. The EQ is gimmicky but it sounds pretty cool.

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Posted 27 January 2019 - 06:37 PM

 

This Elektron Sampler thing has got me wondering.  For those of us who don't have €700+ to spend (or indeed want to) on a sampler, what options are there if you're on a relative budget?  It would be nice to have the option to fuck around with samples since I've finally ditched Ableton I'm tending to work increasing OTB.

I have heard more and more good things about the newest Electribe sampler but i haven't had a chance to mess with one.

 

The Volca Sample is really fun, especially with an external sequencer like a beatstep pro.

 

In what way?  I own a BSP.

 

I remember fucking with a Volca Sample years ago in store and having fun with it.  Can't remember much about the sound quality though.  There was something about the initial Volca range that sounded weak and thin to me.



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Posted 27 January 2019 - 07:41 PM

The only volcas of questionable value were the first 3 analogs imo

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 03:03 AM

http://cdm.link/2019...the-extras-199/



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Posted 28 January 2019 - 03:45 AM

The only volcas of questionable value were the first 3 analogs imo

 

Them's fighting words ;-)

 

I like my Volca Keys. In ring mod mode it can make some mean and nasty noises. In poly mode it provides perfectly serviceable base material for stabs.  In unison mode it does fairly useful bass.

 

(but I wouldn't cry if something bad were to happen to it - so there's that)



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Posted 28 January 2019 - 06:48 AM

 



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Posted 28 January 2019 - 10:42 AM

$199 USD means it's cheaper than the parts to build a x0xb0x were (when you figure in panels and enclosure and everything) ten years ago when you could still source the NOS stuff easily.


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Posted 28 January 2019 - 04:50 PM

The Volca Sample is really fun, especially with an external sequencer like a beatstep pro.

 

It sounds really great, but if you need to store a lot of patterns it's not ideal. From what I've seen, there's no way to get patterns off the device. Of course it's possible to just do everything in Vosyr and keep archives, but that ruins the spontaneity of making patterns on the device.



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Posted 29 January 2019 - 02:23 AM

This CRAVE I'm not that excited about , but the price point makes me think the modular stuff is going to be quite affordable