Nebraska Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I feel that there used to be much more shock content in the mainstream internet before. People posting things like tubgirl and goatse over and over again in different boards and linking with false addresses. All the pedobear and similar questionable things was just mainstream stuff. When 9/11 went down there were jokes and memes going around very shortly. Lots of shit going also in IRC which was totally unmoderated. The whole internet felt wilder back then and now it's just tame corporate version with people mostly using social media services from giant corporations like Facebook that actually have some moderation guidelines and even slightly questionable or pornographic content gets you banned. Coming from that background and remembering that time it's kind of hard to get upset about a site like 4chan even when I absolutely hate those alt-right fucks. completely agree. i think before the sites/links you mentioned, things were pretty much what the deepweb is today. the problem is that EVERYONE is now on the internet and so there is a need/necessity to police things- just like we do in the real world. problem is that that never works. also: there is still lots of shit going on in irc btw: wasn't there a guy arrested this morning in utrecht for a shooting in that city? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 “Turkish born” shooter shot 3 people on the train. :( RE: policing the internet. Other than AI there’s no way to do it fast enough. The internet needs some kind of counter culture. Irl needs a counter culture. People need to be engaged. Society needs to change in all arenas. Lots of good clean LSD needs to rain from the sky for a bit. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitchroast Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 RE: policing the internet. Other than AI there’s no way to do it fast enough. not sure what point this is trying to make when AI policing the internet is the current reality :^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 “Turkish born” shooter shot 3 people on the train. :( RE: policing the internet. Other than AI there’s no way to do it fast enough. The internet needs some kind of counter culture. Irl needs a counter culture. People need to be engaged. Society needs to change in all arenas. the people looking at big corporations like facebook, alphabet/google and apple to police the net are the people that just use social media and consider things to be that simple. the problem is- this isn't just a result of what has become of the extreme right wing, but what has become of civilization as a whole. AI cannot police because (as an example) AI cannot distinguish if you're making reference to a dank meme or being serious. i personally don't think that any solution(s) will be simple but more like something that will have to evolve simultaneously with society. and it doesn't help that every time something like this happens is people call for censorship- because that's exactly what sounds the alarm on the right. they see it as they're being censored to protect the rights of whatever group they dislike (in this case islam). but at the same time, salute to will connolly for attempting to find a solution to all this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 “Turkish born” shooter shot 3 people on the train. :( RE: policing the internet. Other than AI there’s no way to do it fast enough. The internet needs some kind of counter culture. Irl needs a counter culture. People need to be engaged. Society needs to change in all arenas. the people looking at big corporations like facebook, alphabet/google and apple to police the net are the people that just use social media and consider things to be that simple. the problem is- this isn't just a result of what has become of the extreme right wing, but what has become of civilization as a whole. AI cannot police because (as an example) AI cannot distinguish if you're making reference to a dank meme or being serious. i personally don't think that any solution(s) will be simple but more like something that will have to evolve simultaneously with society. and it doesn't help that every time something like this happens is people call for censorship- because that's exactly what sounds the alarm on the right. they see it as they're being censored to protect the rights of whatever group they dislike (in this case islam). but at the same time, salute to will connolly for attempting to find a solution to all this if AI can't distinguish then it's just A w/o the I. AD = Artificial Dumb. maybe people need to need licensd to get on line. the AI could give licenses. it's ok.. soon everyone is going to be so stupid and can't read good will put toilet water on it. brondo. i should work for google so i can be the solutions based problem solver. what we need is a way to treat parts of the itnernet like cancer. we give it all polio and it dies. maybe the measles. inject it right into the data.. srsly though the only thing that makes the bad shit shrink is making the other shit so good that people want to be a part of it. word. there's always going to be some part of society that is about the wackness instead of the dopeness. fill the world with dopeness. like john denver and reeses pieces. RE: policing the internet. Other than AI there’s no way to do it fast enough. not sure what point this is trying to make when AI policing the internet is the current reality :^) give the AI more guns then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitchroast Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 internet license like needing to go to driving school and prove your worth would be so good lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 internet license like needing to go to driving school and prove your worth would be so good lolwhat is the equivalent of parallel parking for internet use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Perhaps we should just focus on policing the trolling farms, the cambridge analytica's and others pushing private money into influencing the democratic process. Policing private citizens is pretty bleak, imo. I don't consider people doing stupid stuff as something that needs to be changed. Or rather, it'd be pretty unrealistic. It costs too damn much, the negatives outweigh the positives, and individuals are full of shit anyways. And without funding, private citizens usually lack political power. So it's better to focus on the money spent on anti-vaxxers stories, instead of policing individuals for believing stupid shit, imo. This is more about protecting the democratic process by intelligence agencies. And in some cases by changing laws. Companies, for example, shouldn't be considered as individuals in the democratic process, imo. And social media, like Facebook should be defined more like regular news publishers. Also, the fact Zuckerberg is considering changing his platform to a sort of integrated p2p communication network, looks to me like an attempt to avoid being treated like a regular media outlet. I haven't had the time to read his blog about it. But if he's willing to put an end to his current concept, maybe the concept in itself is dead. Or in other words, it's an admission that it would make sense to treat it as a regular news outlet/publisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 zucc has talked about making fb/ig and whats app all one thing.. beginning w/messaging. it'll all be FB. i'm being half sarcastic about policing. i think the AI will get better and smarter and be able to handle things like mega uploads of videos with reasonable accuracy and speed. not to get all cyberpunk but eventually won't AI be accessible by more than jsut big corporations w/lot's of money? i think policing/regulating data and money related to influence is a the big thing. serious thing. will require international agreements and lot's of good faith that just doesn't exist right now. perhaps it will but i don't see russia curbing its influence via these methods w/o some giant wacking stick smashing them on the ehad in the form of sanctions or whatever.. or perhaps the oligarchs will get rid of putin or who knows what. we don't really have time to police individuals even if we wanted to because the planet is going to drown a bunch of us while we're frittering away involved in humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheatheman Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 This guy is the Logan Paul of active shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 In a way AI is already accessible ( plenty open source available). The only things keeping people from creating their own is lack of expertise and access to data. In 20 years, I imagine kids having grown up in a world of algorithms, being way more savvy in creating AI. If they have access to data, that is. But because access to the internet implies access to data...although that's a specific type of data. The fact jobs like data scientist earn pretty good says something about a mismatch between demand and available expertise. That'll change in 20 years. Wrt. International agreements I'd say that should be mostly focussed on dealing with tax evasion schemes and money laundering. The various Magnitsky acts that are popping up suggest that it does exist, btw. But it's work in progress. Russian interference has intensified exactly because of those magnitsky policies, I'd argue. Russian influence in US politics was aimed at protecting oligarch money. With a bit of regaining Soviet power in former Soviet countries added to the equation as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolkeyZ865 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-suspect-reportedly-visited-israel-in-2016/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soloman Tump Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 internet license like needing to go to driving school and prove your worth would be so good lol what is the equivalent of parallel parking for internet use? btw they don't require knowing how to parallel park anymore in most US states. kids so ill equiped in so many ways. Internet license should have been introduced 15 years ago. Wouldn't be an issue now. You would pay your service provider, and they ensure you get adequate / appropriate content. You could pay for "family friendly" / restricted content, or full content. This would also then encourage the service provider to do something about illegal content. Or if say SUCH&SUCH.NET gets a name for harbouring child pr0n or whatever then they would start to lose (?) customers or be investigated / named in the press and pressured into targeting and shutting down access to sites. I dunno. Guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke viia Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 fuck an internet license Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 internet license like needing to go to driving school and prove your worth would be so good lol what is the equivalent of parallel parking for internet use? btw they don't require knowing how to parallel park anymore in most US states. kids so ill equiped in so many ways. Internet really has changed for the worse in every single way. It’s just faster. We can get garbage basic binary content faster than ever. the internet is probably the greatest invention the world has ever seen, apart from the wheel maybe. its only horrible if you let it control you. if you got no backbone and dont want to improve yourself, easy dopamine flooding pixels can be flooding your mind in an instant. id say what someone else said earlier about each part of the internet being emphasised, i.e. the bad bits get worse, good bits get better. just ignore the bad shit it's also just so fucking new and it's impact unprecedented, we're truly not going to have a comprehensible impact of it for decades or centuries, what's to come in my lifetime is both terrifying and exciting we're still reeling from the changes brought upon by the printing press, plumbing, vaccines, and the industrial revolution - good, bad, and ugly - in fact we're still not meeting the potential good offered by all of those things in the sense of providing universal benefits to all of the world's population it's not licensing, access, censorship, etc. that needs to be discussed, it's re-evaluations of laws regarding slander, threats, misinformation, etc. the internet of the 90s through early 00s was just as ugly and seedy but those were policed by other users. forums, web hosts, etc. didn't have to cater to Neo-Nazis, Islamic terrorists, etc. users espousing that stuff could be booted off. They had to forge their own sites and forums which were then ostracized - you had to go find them. that shit is literally a click or two away on sites like reddit, youtube, twitter and those same platforms feel more obligated to not keep those users on than to resolve it. the big tragedy of social media was it implemented policies far too late and too little to combat extremist rhetoric and the ability for those in power to wield it. people have a right to the internet, but no one has an inherent right to be on ANY social media site, forum, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbpete Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 internet license like needing to go to driving school and prove your worth would be so good lol what is the equivalent of parallel parking for internet use? internet license like needing to go to driving school and prove your worth would be so good lol what is the equivalent of parallel parking for internet use? Correctly nested multi-quoting mcbpete, on 19 Mar 2019 - 02:32 PM, said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 if AI can't distinguish then it's just A w/o the I. AD = Artificial Dumb. maybe people need to need licensd to get on line. the AI could give licenses. it's ok.. soon everyone is going to be so stupid and can't read good will put toilet water on it. brondo. that's just where we put our efforts in tech. AI can definitely distinguish on what kind of socks you looked at last time you were on amazon though so it's not as dumb as you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 but at the same time, salute to will connolly for attempting to find a solution to all this will connolly ended up getting $62,000 raised for his legal fees but he's donating (a majority?) to the shooting victims. also, salute to that attorney who said he'd represent will connolly for free https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/18/world/australia/eggboy-donate-funds-christchurch-shooting.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitchroast Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Egg Boy story same thing happened last year with Trolley Man - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/11/donations-flow-in-for-melbourne-attacks-trolley-man then month or so later the police intervened saying Trolley Man had a criminal record and was recently breaking and entering and robbing people. forget what happened with all the money in the end, i think people stopped caring and stopped paying attention after a while.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-30/bourke-street-trolley-man-michael-rogers-in-custody/10573260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Erdogan now inflaming things by repeatedly showing the video for populist purposes at political rallies to millions (election in less than 2 weeks), calling for NZ to reinstate the death penalty, saying Turkey will find a way to ensure the perpetrator is punished (one way or another), and painting the Aus/NZ campaign in Gallipoli in WWI as a comparable anti-Islam incident ("your grandparents...returned in caskets"). Politicians will push their agendas, but this is very poor form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 well, isis ain't exactly remaining quiet about this either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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