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Teenage Engineering x Ghostly Pocket Operator

Teenage Engineering Ghostly International Pocket Operator PO33 Collaboration

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#26 modey

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Posted 03 April 2019 - 11:06 PM

All good man, it's just something I'm passionate about lately, as I've been part of some recent discussions about inclusivity in electronic music, so an argument like this kinda hits close to home.

 

Regarding the twitter link you sent, yeah it's an issue if people are starting to lose income, but much like any other industry, you just need to learn to adapt. I've never really made anything other than pocket money from playing gigs (or really anything else music related) but it seems the smart people out there are moving into other areas that are music related, but not necessarily directly playing gigs or making records. Stuff like soundtracks, sound design, education, product design, etc. I think that's a good next step for a lot of established musicians.



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Posted 03 April 2019 - 11:42 PM

don't read if you are tired of watching me flail around trying to make a point stick

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Edited by sheathe, 03 April 2019 - 11:43 PM.


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Posted 04 April 2019 - 02:02 AM

People have been saying a version of your gripe since live performance was able to be recorded and mass produced



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Posted 04 April 2019 - 08:45 AM

Don’t see how that makes it an invalid argument.

Also, streaming makes it completely different.

Edited by sheathe, 04 April 2019 - 08:45 AM.


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Posted 04 April 2019 - 09:01 AM

my issue is, i don't think the gear companies are fostering that pursuit. they are catering to consumers who want to feel like they have control over the kind of music they like. now that streaming has fully permeated culture down to the deepest tissue, i believe that a pretty large portion of people who buy electronic instruments are doing it as an extension of consumerism, and not out of any kind of pursuit. this ghostly / TE collab, to me, reinforces that theory. it's pushing a certain kind of synth music as the pinnacle of the kind of music a given demographic likes, and then, as an auxiliary bonus, giving that demographic a little taste of the controls.

 

 

I think this has been happening since the 90's in a way. Look at Roland's MC303 and other products designed and marketed to capitalise on the popularity of music made with their instruments from the early 80's in ways they did not envisage. Then look at how the MC303 has been used by Omar S and other raw electronics musicians of the 2000's in ways Roland did not envisage. Omar used the MC303 because it was cheap. Just like the TB303, 909 etc were all dirt cheap when Juan Atkins etc picked up theirs.

 

Maybe in years to come some kid will pick up an Elektron Model Samples in a charity shop for €50 and do something really interesting with it. I prefer to think of this possibility than look at the endless "Just picked up the new__________ here is my first jam!!!!!!!!!" social media posts.

 

But a lot of new products are just landfill, no doubt about it.


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Posted 04 April 2019 - 09:05 AM

All the hobbyists/amateurs who buy gear are also those who keep the prices relatively low. If only professionals or those who are seriously into making music into a career bought music making gear and software they would be ridiculously expensive due to R&D and production line costs per sold unit.

 

This is true also with instruments like electric guitars, most of which are sold to people who really can't even play them.



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Posted 04 April 2019 - 10:17 AM

Alright. I give up.

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Posted 04 April 2019 - 12:36 PM

Admit you're wrong first



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Posted 04 April 2019 - 02:30 PM

How was your blood sugar

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Posted 04 April 2019 - 10:42 PM

tasty, how was yours, sugar?



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Posted 04 April 2019 - 11:21 PM

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