jordan peterson

[hello spiral]

Man I thought THE JBP thread got unlocked. Alas

[YangYing]

36 minutes ago, hello spiral said:

Man I thought THE JBP thread got unlocked. Alas

I now only read it once a month instead of every week

[Candiru]

His Russian medical trip makes absolutely no sense, and if it isn’t a cover story for something worse, then he’s just a fucking idiot. 

His daughter was interviewed on RT saying “The West” is so nefarious with the well established method of tapering people off benzos. So basically they’ve been pressured into participating in propaganda. They’re most likely useful idiots. 

[xxx]

I tell ya--I do like a good ball busting and whatnot but having gotten stuck in the benzo trap myself once upon a time, I have great sympathy for his plight. He was dumb as fuck about it but it seems like the majority of the fathers in the world are fucking goobers when it comes to their daughters. It was definitely the case in my family.

It really goes to show you how almost no one is immune to how psychotropics can inflict harm--even among the vast benefits they simultaneously provide. He of all people with his diatribes of dragons and chaos should have known that that's exactly what benzos are. After all, he's in the biz. At any rate, everyone "wins" in a grim sense with this. Supporters get a critical eye opener into the reality of this drug class and detractors get to revel in his suffering. 

[Candiru]

He’s claiming his addiction was physical and not psychological. Weird flex but ok. He knows this is false but he has to look infallible to his cult. 

[xxx]

I don't know if you can unequivocally say "false" on that "physical only" front. Benzodiazepines are arguably the most powerful modulators of GABA and its associated circuits. They do everything you wish booze would do with no hangover and pack their punch almost immediately. That's why rapid tolerance and the risk of abuse is such a problem.  

While getting off most drugs of abuse is painful, you won't die or even suffer any physiological damage. This is not true for benzos and alcohol. It's not a direct mechanism with these 2 but seizures and hypertensive emergencies secondary to withdrawal will absolutely kill and maim. He's likely never gonna be the same if what we are hearing is to be believed.

It's always a Game of Thrones when it comes to what is the worst psychological withdrawal but benzos are top contenders no doubt. They are good drugs for emergencies, short 7 day or less courses and perioperative use. If you get a taste for them and start abusing them (spoiler alert: huge chunks of people who are prescribed them will), you can very easily sustain lasting neurological damage. 

I really hope it's a learning opportunity for his cult because I don't think enough people know the realities of benzos. Every time I see how wildly celebrated they are in hip-hop and youth culture right now (barred out, xan'd out, L'il Xan, et. al), I cringe thinking about what a rollercoaster they are at risk for. 

[goDel]

1 hour ago, Candiru said:

He’s claiming his addiction was physical and not psychological. Weird flex but ok. He knows this is false but he has to look infallible to his cult. 

I posted a youtube clip earlier in this thread of a physician assistant specialised in this matter, explaining and making sense of this story. If you want to know what you're talking about, you could check it. If you're not interested, feel free to continue as you are. Just know it's pretty sad to see people make these baseless statements. There's a time and place to call JP an idiot. This thing about benzos is not that place or time.

 

[mcbpete]

Who needs facts when you can just wildly guess !

[Candiru]

Ok, that can be his 13th Rule For Life.

[Limo]

17 hours ago, goDel said:

 

Thanks for posting this. Very interesting.

Not because of the contents themselves but because it exists. Normally qualified   medical practitioners are pretty strict about not going around posting half hour long talks about the conditions of patients they haven’t examined personally.

(note, btw, I absolutely detest Peterson specifically and the alt right in general)

[cwmbrancity]

@xxx re-last post. Well said. They’re dolled out like sweets here & the illicit market is even worse. Scotland seems to have it up to the eyeballs. Massive correlation/causation with onset of dementia. My Ma was an NHS care inspector for years & routinely had to taper entire units off ridiculous benzo abuse levels.

My experience with these compounds in the US was an eye opener. They were almost traded openly between friends, a few Xanax for a few *insert other generic benzos/opiates. No big deal. Worked hard all week? Smash a few of these Friday night. Relax. The Smithsonian was a hotbed too. It seemed completely normalised. 

One of the longest serving devotees to heroin I know is a GP ffs, works extremely long hours & uses Friday/Saturday. Still a habit, clinicians aren’t immune from life pressures but it surprised me that Peterson has gone to Russia when he prob has the pick of pvt North American addiction support systems at hand. 

[auxien]

1 hour ago, goDel said:

There's a time and place to call JP an idiot. This thing about benzos is not that place or time.

he’s a cheap huckster whose name is only spoken because of his shilling pseudo-philosophy self help bullshit for profit and his own ego. fuck him, he deserves no respect. he made himself a public figure for his own gain, he’s a fucking Kardashian. fuck him into the dirt.

Edited February 21, 2020 by auxien

[Candiru]

 

[thumbass]

Just read the old thread.

It's beautiful

[Braintree]

Ugh. I have an acquaintance that got into this dipshit. I thought I was thoroughly insulated from this fucking guy.

[Cryptowen]

one time at my last job someone mentioned the (then recent) news that JBP had gone into a coma, and one of my co-workers loudly announced "Good! I fucking hope he dies!" in a completely serious & aggravated tone.

honestly i find the extreme degrees of love & hate for this man kind of ridiculous. he's basically a self-help guru with a vague throwback aesthetic. people describe him as "far right" but imo he's just being marketed to young men who might otherwise explore the actual contemporary far right, to keep them within the safe confines of liberalism. his conservatism has about as much power to challenge the social order as the blue hair dye of the college chick he's supposed to be diametrically opposed to

Edited March 4, 2021 by Cryptowen

[zlemflolia]

dont know if this is a repost, but jordan b peterson literally challenged slavoj zizek to a debate about marxism, having never read -anything- from marx before, admittedly only hurrying to read The Communist Manifesto in the day before the debate

absolute failure

Edited March 4, 2021 by cyanobacteria

[dingformung]

None of the psychiatrists I've asked knew who Jordan Peterson was. Seems he is more a YouTube celebrity than anything, and not necessarily widely known for any achievements or contributions in the field of psychiatry. Not sure why he even gets the amount of attentions he gets.

[Alcofribas]

1 minute ago, cyanobacteria said:

dont know if this is a repost, but jordan b peterson literally challenged slavoj zizek to a debate about marxism, having never read -anything- from marx before, admittedly only hurrying to read The Communist Manifesto in the day before the debate

absolute failure

there's an amusing exchange between them in which peterson is peddling his typical the universities are controlled by marxists shtick and zizek is like, wait i'm a marxist academic and this makes no sense who are you referring to, and peterson was like well i uh don't have any specific names or whatever. 

this dude has communist propaganda draped all over the walls of his office to "keep the enemy close" but not close enough to know any of their names. steroid brains on that guy

[Cryptowen]

2 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

dont know if this is a repost, but jordan b peterson literally challenged slavoj zizek to a debate about marxism, having never read -anything- from marx before, admittedly only hurrying to read The Communist Manifesto in the day before the debate

tbh stuff like this is a good reminder that people can & often do rise to massive social notoriety without being particularly educated or well-read. Like not just celebrities & pretty faces with their Oprah's Book Club-tier tastes, but even popular "intellectuals" who might not even have read the foundational texts of the things they're known for being authorities on.

Reading is Power because turns out that hardly anyone actually bothers to do it. Hundo P everytime you see a stacked bookshelf in the background of some famous person's zoom call it's probably just a shower curtain with pictures of books printed on it

[Alcofribas]

1 minute ago, Cryptowen said:

tbh stuff like this is a good reminder that people can & often do rise to massive social notoriety without being particularly educated or well-read. Like not just celebrities & pretty faces with their Oprah's Book Club-tier tastes, but even popular "intellectuals" who might not even have read the foundational texts of the things they're known for being authorities on.

Reading is Power because turns out that hardly anyone actually bothers to do it. Hundo P everytime you see a stacked bookshelf in the background of some famous person's zoom call it's probably just a shower curtain with pictures of books printed on it

100%

perhaps the only consistent perk of social media is that it draws back the curtain somewhat on revered intellectuals since they are usually either exposing themselves as dumbasses all the time on it or being exposed by basically any random person online. it's also instructive to look back at revered public intellectuals of the past and see how anachronistic and ridiculous their celebrity is from a contemporary vantage. 

in general everyone is dramatically more dumb than anyone wants to believe

[cern]

8 minutes ago, dingformung said:

None of the psychiatrists I've asked knew who Jordan Peterson was. Seems he is more a YouTube celebrity than anything, and not necessarily widely known for any achievements or contributions in the field of psychiatry. Not sure why he even gets the amount of attentions he gets.

He held lectures in Psychiatry for university in Canada and became famous after taking fight against gender pronouncement. 
It is a sensitive topic in the world because "easy to get offended" specially if you are far leftwing or ultra feminist. 

Then he slayed some interviews and he became a hero for young unsecured men and with the book "12 rules" and touring around the world he had a fanclub.

The guy is smart and never stop speaking and analyzing stuff. A little too much sellout for me but I have no hard feelings for him. 
The swedish minister of foregin affairs told him to "crawl back under the rock he came from" haha! 
 

[xox]

26 minutes ago, dingformung said:

None of the psychiatrists I've asked knew who Jordan Peterson was. Seems he is more a YouTube celebrity than anything, and not necessarily widely known for any achievements or contributions in the field of psychiatry. Not sure why he even gets the amount of attentions he gets.

He’s a psychologist tho

...and btw, i know who JP is  that should be enough for you!

[ghsotword]

It seems to me that the main thing that made Jordan Peterson world famous was some odd quirk in Youtube's recommendations algorithm that made Youtube persistently shove his content at everyone a few years ago. The quirk in Youtube's algorithm can also explain why there has been such a backlash against his content: viewers get annoyed if Youtube tries to force feed them content they don't like. Without this force feeding, the viewers wouldn't really care what this guy's opinions on things are

[dcom]

I wasn't going to read 12 Rules because the premise seemed so ridiculous; based on the articles I'd read on Petersen and a handful of video appearances - I started to watch the "lecture" version of the book, but it got so boring so quickly that I couldn't be arsed. Then a work mate asked if I could read it and review it for him - he's a video person, not a reader - he wanted my honest opinion on it and offered to buy the book. I took it as a challenge and read the bloody thing from start to finish, and I was underwhelmed: the writing's bland, self-aggrandising, misogynist, patriarchal and several other kinds of WTF am I reading inane "clean your room" and "stand straight" type self-help mush that'll rot your brain. Oh and there are two ASCII smileys in the book, FFS. I understood why my workmate likes his ideas - he's a right-leaning boomer - but I was not impressed. Peterson loves the sound of his own voice and thinks rather highly of himself, then overreaches by a blatant display of erudition by writing reams of nonsense. 12 Rules is a simplified distillation of his first book, Maps of Meaning, which took him 13 years to write and less than 13 people have read it; Paul Thagard wrote that Maps of Meaning is "defective as a work of anthropology, psychology, philosophy, and politics." I understand why some people may actually like 12 Rules and the ideology of it - but I also know the type of people is far removed (please) from me. To me, it was WOMBAT - waste of money, brains, and time.

Edited March 4, 2021 by dcom