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21 minutes ago, ignatius said:

if bernie wins i hope he picks her as a running mate. 

She's got BDE and experience. There's documented claims she's shitty toward staffers but I have no idea how many are true versus vs exaggeratef or false. Also pragmatically a lot of effective leaders are hard ass managers. I honestly find the salad comb story hilarious, like something out of an Curb episode.

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26 minutes ago, ignatius said:

if bernie wins i hope he picks her as a running mate. 

makes me think of something i haven’t before: who would his running mate even be, assuming he got the nomination? AOC??!?!? :cat: lol but really tho, not really sure, he’s sorta an island to himself (ya know since he’s not even a fuckin Democrat)

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9 minutes ago, auxien said:

makes me think of something i haven’t before: who would his running mate even be, assuming he got the nomination? AOC??!?!? :cat: lol but really tho, not really sure, he’s sorta an island to himself (ya know since he’s not even a fuckin Democrat)

i'm not very familiar with hw the process goes for picking a running mate. seems like often they find someone who will round out the qualifications and provide a touch of diversity of ideas too. 

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26 minutes ago, auxien said:

makes me think of something i haven’t before: who would his running mate even be, assuming he got the nomination? AOC??!?!? :cat: lol but really tho, not really sure, he’s sorta an island to himself (ya know since he’s not even a fuckin Democrat)

Nah, she's got way too many years ahead of her and an election coming up with a lot of ire and money being thrown behind some pawns to get her out of office. She's younger than me and many others here. 

Good question though, pre-fallout from the debate many expected him to float Warren as either a VP or major cabinet slot. He urged her to run in 2016 after all. 

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Oh hey, it just coincidentally happened that I was listening to today's M.R. news recap adn Michael Brooks explicitly called the possibility of a real "Bernie or bust" movement in the general election "disastrous."

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5 minutes ago, TubularCorporation said:

Oh hey, it just coincidentally happened that I was listening to today's M.R. news recap adn Michael Brooks explicitly called the possibility of a real "Bernie or bust" movement in the general election "disastrous."

i can't listen to that.. not right now.. too much anxiety too soon. bernie will have to come out and campaign relentlessly for whoever gets the nomination if it isn't him. 

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Bernie 2020

Bernie 2024

AOC 2028

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53 minutes ago, joshuatxuk said:

Nah, she's got way too many years ahead of her and an election coming up with a lot of ire and money being thrown behind some pawns to get her out of office. She's younger than me and many others here. 

Good question though, pre-fallout from the debate many expected him to float Warren as either a VP or major cabinet slot. He urged her to run in 2016 after all. 

sanders-warren ticket would still make the most sense, i'd like to think if he can lock down the nomination theyd get over that incident (since it doesnt seem to have impacted how the cards are falling) and join forces.  the other centrist candidates still in the running would be a definite no as his potential vp.. maybe he could pick someone who already dropped out like booker or castro.. but im not sure how much they overlap in policy.

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5 minutes ago, markedone said:

sanders-warren ticket would still make the most sense, i'd like to think if he can lock down the nomination theyd get over that incident (since it doesnt seem to have impacted how the cards are falling) and join forces.  the other centrist candidates still in the running would be a definite no as his potential vp.. maybe he could pick someone who already dropped out like booker or castro.. but im not sure how much they overlap in policy.

yeah.. it's hard to say. they could certainly out think themselves. i think a warren sanders ticket would be good. it's kind of what people thought from the start "just join forces already and get it overwith"

a more centrist VP choice could calm some of the insane dem old schoolers but seems like pandering wouldn't be the thing to do if he gets the nomination

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5 hours ago, Candiru said:

What's irresponsible is not realizing that getting Trump out of office is infinitely more important than just Bernie being president, and people should have realized that a long time ago. 

i find it interesting that trump, the guy who is constantly thinking only about himself, has managed to turn this election about him. we're no longer focused on who would make a great president but rather who would beat trump.

btw: this isn't to single you out candiru. elizabeth warren actually said something similar in her speech after the new hampshire results came in 

the next thing i find interesting is that most of the democrats don't know how to beat trump- mainly because they're establishment politicians. trump is not. and that's why (so far) all the establishment tactics democrats have employed (comey, impeachment, etc) have failed. 

of course i could be wrong, but i have a very good feeling i'm not. otherwise, it wouldn't be such a complicated business about who should go against trump and instead, a matter who should be in what office this time next year.

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4 minutes ago, Nebraska said:

i find it interesting that trump, the guy who is constantly thinking only about himself, has managed to turn this election about him. we're no longer focused on who would make a great president but rather who would beat trump.

btw: this isn't to single you out candiru. elizabeth warren actually said something similar in her speech after the new hampshire results came in 

the next thing i find interesting is that most of the democrats don't know how to beat trump- mainly because they're establishment politicians. trump is not. and that's why (so far) all the establishment tactics democrats have employed (comey, impeachment, etc) have failed. 

of course i could be wrong, but i have a very good feeling i'm not. otherwise, it wouldn't be such a complicated business about who should go against trump and instead, a matter who should be in what office this time next year.

Not beating him would be such a disaster, that it's better to just win, and then stay politically engaged with a much more cooperative environment. 

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6 hours ago, Nebraska said:

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Both have that reptilian look don't they :3. I wonder how many hours they practiced those smiles to emulate hoomans

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all of the democratic nominees are scummy or cringe. bernie is the only one that gives me hope

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13 minutes ago, President Squidward said:

all of the democratic nominees are scummy or cringe. bernie is the only one that gives me hope

what is dumb is how obviously bad each nominee is in comparison to Bernie to the point where Bernie should be dominating, and yet he really isn't. Then again nearly half the country likes Trump so I guess there is a continuum.

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7 hours ago, joshuatxuk said:

Nah, she's got way too many years ahead of her and an election coming up with a lot of ire and money being thrown behind some pawns to get her out of office. She's younger than me and many others here. 

Good question though, pre-fallout from the debate many expected him to float Warren as either a VP or major cabinet slot. He urged her to run in 2016 after all. 

i thought the "AOC!!?!?!?!? :cat: lol but really" made it clear i was joking about her.... anyway yeah Warren seems the obvious choice, but the thing is i think any of those older candidates will basically require someone a decade or two younger than them with experience be put in as VP. Warren's younger (and more vibrant, and more interesting, and more pragmatic, and smarter and way less loud and... :trollface:) than Bernie but i don't think she's younger enough, basically. 

6 hours ago, ignatius said:

yeah.. it's hard to say. they could certainly out think themselves. i think a warren sanders ticket would be good. it's kind of what people thought from the start "just join forces already and get it overwith"

a more centrist VP choice could calm some of the insane dem old schoolers but seems like pandering wouldn't be the thing to do if he gets the nomination

yeah, idk how his base would deal with a centrist pick. i'm pretty sure a large portion wouldn't care, and of course most Dem voters are gonna vote for whoever gets the nom no matter what, but i could see some portion of the young loud rabid insanely ridiculous Bernie fans getting up in arms about someone who's too centrist/moderate/middle-America-ish. they might need that outsider/socialist lean on things to keep them from worrying Bernie's shilling for the DNC. Bernie's a smart guy, i'm sure he'd pick someone qualified, but i'm worried about his campaign pushing someone on him just to appeal to that young uber-left base of Bernie bros.

3 hours ago, Candiru said:

Not beating him would be such a disaster, that it's better to just win, and then stay politically engaged with a much more cooperative environment. 

wanna know a secret? i have this little inkling (totally unfounded) that literally anyone the Dems nominate will beat Trump. i think he's done for, too much of the R side doesn't fucking care anymore, they hate him and what he's done. empirically i'm not betting on that, but i've just got this little feeling that it doesn't really matter, Trump's going down. (i also was certain there was no way Trump was gonna get elected in 2016 despite the evidence that it was very much possible so i'm not betting on my gut feelings with this stuff)

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okay i just have to say that facepalm reacting is a pussy ass bitch move. fuck all of you who do it. you know who you are.

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not 100% sure this is legit but i'm gonna post it anyway

 

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7 hours ago, Nebraska said:

 

the next thing i find interesting is that most of the democrats don't know how to beat trump- mainly because they're establishment politicians. trump is not. and that's why (so far) all the establishment tactics democrats have employed (comey, impeachment, etc) have failed. 

it's still crazy to think that after 4 years of essentially the worst president in modern American history, the dems still didn't figure this out. my thought is that there are a lot of voters that would like to go back to having a "normal" president after the extremities of trump - normal being a well spoken, white, middle aged guy. not creepy uncle joe, not super old "socialist" bernie, not gay mayor pete, and not female warren. was there not a Kennedy they could have dragged out of political obscurity to prop up as a candidate? 

or maybe I'm wrong, maybe they should've gone in the other direction and tried to find someone crazier and even more of a showman than trump...like an ex-wrestler. turn the election into a full blown WWE event. 

 

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4 hours ago, auxien said:

wanna know a secret? i have this little inkling (totally unfounded) that literally anyone the Dems nominate will beat Trump. i think he's done for, too much of the R side doesn't fucking care anymore, they hate him and what he's done. empirically i'm not betting on that, but i've just got this little feeling that it doesn't really matter, Trump's going down. (i also was certain there was no way Trump was gonna get elected in 2016 despite the evidence that it was very much possible so i'm not betting on my gut feelings with this stuff)

here imo youre wrong.  i think he has a huge, mainly white,middle class base that may decry his racist shit in public (or not), but secretly lack empathy and dont really give a shit.  or they (at least think) his conservative policies will get them ahead economically.  or they have conservative social views and just want him to pack the courts even more.

unfortunately there are plenty of (shitty) reasons people are sticking with him, and i think the polls underreport his numbers.  because in a poll someone might disagree with some of his policies but in the private ballot booth will still pull the trigger for him

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trumps primary turnout has been scarily high

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On 2/11/2020 at 7:53 PM, goDel said:

I'm becoming a fan of this guy here. A "looks like and sounds like white trash, but got a mind of his own"-guy. He used to be a journalist covering international affairs, btw. In case you were wondering. He's no slouch. 😉

 

I gave this channel a genuine try and am not disappointed, guy got some refreshing perspectives

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14 hours ago, Salvatorin said:

okay i just have to say that facepalm reacting is a pussy ass bitch move. fuck all of you who do it. you know who you are.

It's politics, people have strong opinions and sometimes like to express them without telling you why.

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Man, seeing that photo of Zucc and Mayo Pete in the car together elicits a deep cringe that I cannot begin to describe, strictly in the context of future political ramifications.

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18 minutes ago, ambergonk said:

Man, seeing that photo of Zucc and Mayo Pete in the car together elicits a deep cringe that I cannot begin to describe, strictly in the context of future political ramifications.

The photo will age both poorly, and incredibly well. Especially knowing Zuckerberg wants to run for office someday. Will be even funnier if "Peat Bog Pete" and Zuckerberg run against each other.

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