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Just now, auxien said:

no one said that.

Yeah they did they went around the podiums and everyone except one said it.

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1 minute ago, Zeffolia said:

Yeah they did they went around the podiums and everyone except one said it.

i saw. you obviously didn't understand either the question or the answers they all gave.

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15 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

Every candidate except one said they want to override the will of the people and have superdelegates decide the nominee.  It should be clear to you who they all are opposing, why they're opposing him, what they have to lose, and what the country and humanity have to lose.  If you aren't on board, you need to stop being a fucking lib.  That's it

 Yeah it's pretty obvious that they're not particularly liberal. Though for many people who get their news from CNN or NYT, they're basically stuck thinking they're an unbiased authority when it comes to politics. I used to think were perfectly acceptable news outlets until I found out all the little ways they can skew opinion. They don't necessarily lie, and most of their non-political articles are totally fine. But they are 100% pushing that cliche centrist belief.

They are very good at insinuating something that isn't true as true, or misleading by picking and choosing what they show (so they don't outright lie and get in trouble).

"Some people say that Sanders wants to gut Obamacare and take away peoples current private insurance. What about the people who want to have a "choice"! 

Some people say that Sanders sympathizes with *insert well known past authoritarian socialist , or  "poor socialist" country here, even if there are plenty of poor capitalist countries but w/e*.

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10 minutes ago, auxien said:

i saw. you obviously didn't understand either the question or the answers they all gave.

illuminate me then on the wisdom of the losing candidates' explanations for why the frontrunner should not be awarded the nomination

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HOT!

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If Bernie needs party powder then he can count on me to get him some

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9 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

illuminate me then on the wisdom of the losing candidates' explanations for why the frontrunner should not be awarded the nomination

listen to what they actually said, the words that came out of their mouth, not your biased spin on those words, and read for yourself how these things are handled:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokered_convention

if you wanna be the nominee for the Democratic Party then you have to play by their rules. if you don't like those rules, go to another party, or make your own. this is very, very simple.

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54 minutes ago, auxien said:

listen to what they actually said, the words that came out of their mouth, not your biased spin on those words, and read for yourself how these things are handled:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokered_convention

if you wanna be the nominee for the Democratic Party then you have to play by their rules. if you don't like those rules, go to another party, or make your own. this is very, very simple.

You think this refutes anything I said, how? I don't give a fuck about the Democratic Party's rules.  There is no other party, you are aware the US has an effective two-party system?

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just noticed how similar they sound in a clip from the debate last night. exact same inflection at times.

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good debate last night. i was cracking up the whole time. the knives were out.

 

what i've liked about warren for years is how she will viciously call people out, when appropriate, impressively well. she also has, overall, been trying to focus on running a positive campaign. that makes sense, strategically, but last night she knew that it was time to show people what she could do to an opponent, because voters want to nominate someone who will beat trump. and that is one of the reasons why warren is the best candidate, she will give you a mental breakdown on stage. she lit into bloomberg effectively and was landing strikes on the others as well. 

 

pete looked good. biden, too. bernie had good moments. klobuchar took damage. bloomberg looked bad.

 

full debate:

 

 

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2 hours ago, darreichungsform said:

zeff + aux = ❤️ 

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Which of Bernie's cabins did Bloomberg poop in? I can spot a cabin pooper

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8 hours ago, Zeffolia said:

You think this refutes anything I said, how? I don't give a fuck about the Democratic Party's rules.  There is no other party, you are aware the US has an effective two-party system?

if you read the Dem Party rules (fucking hell just the sentence in the Wiki article referencing that) you'll understand why you claiming they said they want superdelegates to decide is false. 

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11 hours ago, auxien said:

debate tonight's been interesting, actually. Warren ripped into Bloomberg's shittiness right away, and kept at it all night tearing into others on their records as well. Sanders looked pretty good, but he was getting some heat from every angle. Buttigieg and Klobuchar did alright but idk that they have a path forward. will be curious what happens with Bloomberg after tonight, he seemed like he was in over his head for a good chunk of it all...almost like he's a rich asshole who's been a rich asshole for so long that he's forgotten what it's like when people attack him and he can't just fire them or walk away (wouldn't surprise me if he ran away and quit the race relatively soon tbh)

watched the debate again before work.

bloomberg was massacred. warren genuinely dislikes the guy. i think she's great when putting people to task, but she seems to be easily overwhelmed by multiple voices and i just cannot see her as president. bloomberg obviously doesn't have the experience or confidence to counter her attacks. but trump does. why she cannot temper her ambitions to being secretary of state under someone else is beyond me , but all these candidates make this race seem like a free for all with america's fickle endorsement riding on who left the best lasting impression-

and this is where pete slyly sneaks in. i watched an interview with some hispanic voters in nevada and their consensus is this: we have medical from our union. medicare for all with eliminate that medical insurance and we're not sure it will be as good as what we have. 

one thing i've noticed bernie doesn't do much is expound on his key points. how his medicare for all plans affects these unions with health care plans. the right makes so much noise about medicare for all being bad that it confuses a lot of people on exactly what it means for their own insurance they begin to translate it as something that will affect them negatively.

 

 

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Sanders must make clear that Medicare For All puts workers unions into a better negotiating position because their medical insurance isn't part of workers' rights negotiations anymore. I'm sure he says this already but it's such a strong argument that it can't be highlighted enough.

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I didn't watch the entirety of the debate, but caught some of the highlights. The fact that most of the Democratic candidates have managed to form an impromptu firing squad against another aspiring plutocrat gives me more faith in humanity.

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2 hours ago, auxien said:

if you read the Dem Party rules (fucking hell just the sentence in the Wiki article referencing that) you'll understand why you claiming they said they want superdelegates to decide is false. 

Under the Democratic National Convention rules, "A majority vote of the Convention's delegates shall be required to nominate the presidential candidate" and "Balloting will continue until a nominee is selected".[7] Superdelegates are party leaders who participate as delegates if no winner emerges after the first round. Prior to 2018, they were allowed to participate in the first round as well.[8]

Oh, sounds all good then!  It's not like they're going to willingly rig it to get to the second round on purpose or anything.  Why do you listen to the DNC?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_primary#History

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/5/18089408/brokered-convention-contested-explained

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokered_convention

 

 

the dnc can't "rig" anything. they do whatever they want. primaries aren't in the constitution, they are constructs the parties decided to begin doing in 1968, in their current form. the party chooses the nominee. they always have and they still reserve the right to, in certain circumstances, like in the case of no one getting half the pledged delegates. i think the established system leaves the party with a ton of leeway, then. pod save america or fivethirtyeight podcast were saying the party can even bring in an outsider, a non-candidate, at that point.

 

btw fivethirtyeight's "model" is seeing a brokered convention as the most likely scenario, now

 

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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

 

 

 

 

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liz warren seems to have had a fire lit under her ass since she found out she's polling right next to biden

 

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48 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

Oh, sounds all good then!  It's not like they're going to willingly rig it to get to the second round on purpose or anything.  Why do you listen to the DNC?

huh? oh, everything is a conspiracy, right. rampant cumtheiving females and so forth. k bro.

1 hour ago, Nebraska said:

watched the debate again before work.

bloomberg was massacred. warren genuinely dislikes the guy. i think she's great when putting people to task, but she seems to be easily overwhelmed by multiple voices and i just cannot see her as president. bloomberg obviously doesn't have the experience or confidence to counter her attacks. but trump does. why she cannot temper her ambitions to being secretary of state under someone else is beyond me , but all these candidates make this race seem like a free for all with america's fickle endorsement riding on who left the best lasting impression-

and this is where pete slyly sneaks in. i watched an interview with some hispanic voters in nevada and their consensus is this: we have medical from our union. medicare for all with eliminate that medical insurance and we're not sure it will be as good as what we have. 

one thing i've noticed bernie doesn't do much is expound on his key points. how his medicare for all plans affects these unions with health care plans. the right makes so much noise about medicare for all being bad that it confuses a lot of people on exactly what it means for their own insurance they begin to translate it as something that will affect them negatively.

 

 

saw/heard someone mention that Warren and Bloomberg were chatting for a bit during one of the breaks, would be curious to hear what that was. he’s a good punching bag for her and the rest, obviously. the tempering her ambitions thing sounds sexist tho Nebraska, to be blunt about it. dunno that you are or meant it that way, but it sounds it from here: not accusing just stating how it came across to me. not sure where that even comes from tho, she was breaking through the cacophony of shitty moderation as often as anyone on that stage. I think she’s got a better temperament for a leader than anyone else up there tbh, but that’s not to say any of them would necessarily be bad. the big field really is an issue, and was seemingly a big part of why Trump got the nomination for the Rs in ‘16, which scares me that it could work out in someone like Bloomberg’s favor this time here too. 
 

yeah Pete and all them not pushing Medicare for all are on the side of many many real people out there. people want it to be better and cheaper but they don’t want to risk the chance it could be worse, so we end up with a lot of the electorate afraid of it (Obamacare was gonna be the literal apocalypse until it was the law. people are stupid and believe what they’re told of course)

yeah Bernie’s big issue is his messaging/delivery and stubbornness to compromise and work from within to enact the changes necessary...he’s a loudass who just has to speak his mind on the big ideas constantly instead of actually doing the work and playing the game to fix things. yelling about how and why a thing is wrong almost never fixes a fucking thing.... but even after he loses his ideas will carry on in others as the party largely moves leftward, so hopefully it’s not all a waste. 

44 minutes ago, very honest said:

the dnc can't "rig" anything. they do whatever they want. primaries aren't in the constitution, they are constructs the parties decided to begin doing in 1968, in their current form. the party chooses the nominee. they always have and they still reserve the right to, in certain circumstances, like in the case of no one getting half the pledged delegates. i think the established system leaves the party with a ton of leeway, then. pod save america or fivethirtyeight podcast were saying the party can even bring in an outsider, a non-candidate, at that point.

yup. it’s their party, they can do literally anything they want within it.

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they will steal it from bernie, who has by far the greatest support across the country, alienating a huge number of would-be voters and literally hand the next four years to trump and apocalypse. this is a 50/50 chance with bernie winning. the silver lining of this is that it will destroy the democratic party. and i will be in line to beat it to death. a party run by coastal, feckless liberal elites smelling each others farts will never win in this country that is a giant quilt of diversity, in race, in culture, in class. A workers party will rise.

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auxien's facepalms are known to be among the most toxic here on the forum

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