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warren should have dropped out and endorsed bernie, the fact that she didn't means she's nothing more than a corporate shill, a tool of the bourgeoisie, worse a pet to the elite, she's a failure who actively intended to push the democratic party further right.  she's only there to take bernie's votes.  thinking otherwise is naive

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51 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

its a rich old white people state, no fuck theyre going to protect their capital, they're dirty bourgeois scumbags whose only aim is to prevent a dictatorship of the proletariat, but they will fail

Guilty as charged.

-Disgustingly affluent geriatric caucasian person who paid off his student loans. I also foreclose houses for shits and giggles and dumpster dive at Trader Joe's because those "expired" frozen pizzas are too damn good for the homeless. 

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Posted (edited)

Tío Bernie consiguió California vavava

@Zeffolia you have a way of wording things in the most insufferably standoffish way possible.. but I have to admit seeing Warren take ~10-20% really seems to have fucked over Bernie in some states he would have decisively delivered otherwise

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Bloomberg similarly fucked Biden, so it's a bit of a wash. Early voting also caused a problem for Biden in California, where Pete and Klob have 15% of the vote despite having dropped out.

Also, the Bernie Bro tactic of tweeting snakes 24/7 at Warren supporters probably didn't help their cause much either. In fact there's some evidence a good bit of what was expected to be her support has gone instead to Biden (especially in Massachusetts, which Sanders was expected to win).

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The sad thing is that I'm 41 and even though we almost definitely just reelected Trump tonight (thanks, Warren) it's still probably the least bad democratic primary in my lifetime (with the possible exception of 2008 because Obama was marginally less shitty than Clinton).

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19 minutes ago, caze said:

Bernie Bro

You are being lied to.

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^^^ Was thinking that as well. Plenty of Warren votes moved to Biden. 

Anyways, most importantly is voter turnout, imo. Which was good, I'm hearing. Happy about that.

Hopefully, the rest of the primary will be just about Sanders and Biden. The other candidates don't have the votes, it seems. Will be important to avoid the scenario with no clear winner and the superdelegates putting their finger on the scale. Not interested in being bludgeoned to death with that shitshow. 

 

Edit: the point caze made about warren voters

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17 minutes ago, caze said:

Bloomberg similarly fucked Biden, so it's a bit of a wash. Early voting also caused a problem for Biden in California, where Pete and Klob have 15% of the vote despite having dropped out.

Also, the Bernie Bro tactic of tweeting snakes 24/7 at Warren supporters probably didn't help their cause much either. In fact there's some evidence a good bit of what was expected to be her support has gone instead to Biden (especially in Massachusetts, which Sanders was expected to win).

Good points, I forget the early votes for p+a got lost. And Mass was indeed surprising. I dont think the average voter follows the going-ons of the twitter-verse tho, myself included

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6 minutes ago, TubularCorporation said:

You are being lied to.

I'm not just talking about twitter ppl with 6 digit numbers in their names, but popular real life actual people, high up surrogates in his campaign, those chapo shit-stains, etc.

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some people just cant handle that bernie is the only good candidate who is running.  the rest are traitors or racist old alzheimer fucks or literally evil billionaires

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7 minutes ago, markedone said:

I dont think the average voter follows the going-ons of the twitter-verse tho, myself included

Yeah, this is true to a large degree, though maybe less so with a certain demographic (middle class college educated white women in particular, i.e. Warren's key demo)

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8 minutes ago, caze said:

those chapo shit-stains, etc.

The host Will Menaker's grandfather, Robert Menaker, worked for Soviet intelligence during WWII. 

That reminds me, does anyone think there isn't an opposition research file on Bernie?

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22 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

some people just cant handle that bernie is the only good candidate who is running. 

Bernie is probably the 3rd worst candidate still running, after Tulsi and Trump. Warren was a more pragmatic, somewhat less shit, version of Bernie (but without the principals and a pointless layer of woke bullshit on top). Bloomberg is also pretty terrible.

I don't have a problem with him personally, his heart is in the right place, he's genuine, he's got principals (they just happen to be terrible principals). His righteous anger is a bit much at times though, after a while it just comes off as whiny and sanctimonious, he could do with chilling out a bit, focus on positive aspects of his campaign rather than attacking the people he wants to vote for him. He's not a very good politician though, so that was probably too much to ask.

None of the other serious candidates were particularly exciting, Yang was the only one I had any genuine excitement for, but at least they wouldn't make the world an objectively worse place.

For me, not being American, the only seriously important issue at the end of the day was climate change, and Bernie was by far the worst candidate on that issue (Tulsi close 2nd). Even Trump for all his retardation would probably do less damage. Yang was the best here, but Biden is decent. Trade policy probably next most important, and Bernie is as bad as Trump on that score. On foreign policy Bernie wasn't too bad in actually, unlike most other far-left weirdos he hasn't bought into the dumb Corbynite/Chomskyan view of the world ("the west is evil, the enemies of the west are good actually") - but Biden is gonna be fine there too.  

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It will be fun to see the general election with two demented doddering fools sundowning in the debates. The orange fool will win of course because America.

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8 minutes ago, azatoth said:

It will be fun to see the general election with two demented doddering fools sundowning in the debates. The orange fool will win of course because America.

the orange one is a god on the debate stage. although if they both get stuck in a  loop after getting too worked up they could form a kind super dementia and gibbering nonsense in some kind of epileptic fit 

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Trump won't even show up to debate Biden. My prediction. 

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What they say they will do and what will get done are two different things. Also, Taxing the wealthy. How do you do that exactly?

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14 minutes ago, caze said:

Bernie is probably the 3rd worst candidate still running, after Tulsi and Trump. Warren was a more pragmatic, somewhat less shit, version of Bernie (but without the principals and a pointless layer of woke bullshit on top). Bloomberg is also pretty terrible.

I don't have a problem with him personally, his heart is in the right place, he's genuine, he's got principals (they just happen to be terrible principals). His righteous anger is a bit much at times though, after a while it just comes off as whiny and sanctimonious, he could do with chilling out a bit, focus on positive aspects of his campaign rather than attacking the people he wants to vote for him. He's not a very good politician though, so that was probably too much to ask.

None of the other serious candidates were particularly exciting, Yang was the only one I had any genuine excitement for, but at least they wouldn't make the world an objectively worse place.

For me, not being American, the only seriously important issue at the end of the day was climate change, and Bernie was by far the worst candidate on that issue (Tulsi close 2nd). Even Trump for all his retardation would probably do less damage. Yang was the best here, but Biden is decent. Trade policy probably next most important, and Bernie is as bad as Trump on that score. On foreign policy Bernie wasn't too bad in actually, unlike most other far-left weirdos he hasn't bought into the dumb Corbynite/Chomskyan view of the world ("the west is evil, the enemies of the west are good actually") - but Biden is gonna be fine there too.  

jesus christ

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5 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

jesus christ

Jesus Christ 

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heh. I've finally broken zeff, he's run out of the rote marxist doctrine to quote at me.

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4 minutes ago, caze said:

heh. I've finally broken zeff, he's run out of the rote marxist doctrine to quote at me.

trump is a climate change denier who exited the paris climate accords and yet he's better on the climate than bernie sanders? you're completely wrong and an imbecilic trump supporter.  i've ran out of effort to bother wasting on you

that's not even taking into account that trump is a fascist who, like all disgusting imperialist US presidents, uses concentration camps to keep mexicans in.

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23 minutes ago, Candiru said:

Trump won't even show up to debate Biden. My prediction. 

Wouldn't surprise me. Although I still suspect he will show up. He did so too against the Hillz. So he might have some confidence going up against whoever is the next dem candidate. 

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18 minutes ago, goDel said:

Wouldn't surprise me. Although I still suspect he will show up. He did so too against the Hillz. So he might have some confidence going up against whoever is the next dem candidate. 

Well, for as much as people are mentioning Biden's cognitive decline, Trump wouldn't be able to fake it til he makes it this time. 

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