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1 hour ago, phudoshin said:

Out here on the edge of Western Europe, I seem to be the only one of my friends, family, colleagues following the slow legal downfall of Trump and co. I find it absolutely fascinating - the level of the clownshow, the depths of his egregiousness ... its better than any series and the most schadenfreude thing. But nobody seems interested.. everyones jaded and doesn't want to think about the orange idiot and thinks he'll just get away with it... or i just get "why do you care?". Eh hello - its basic human drama on a MASSIVE scale... the lies, the schemes, the grift... a President being so criminal. 

 

 The DOJ is slow and being super meticulous..trying to make it airtight. They're playing a blinder with their tactics on the special master front too. Ive seen every Jan 6th hearing too... just to hear sense been spoken is amazing.  I think he'll go down..... the maga/Qanon folks will fizzle away. surely this kind of stupidity can't survive. Am I naïve AF?

Well, I’m assuming that observing the whole clownshow as any European is probably very much like having the perspective of an informed, educated and progressive-leaning American with a more developed world view than the majority of the American public. As the latter, I was shocked that the country could elect DT in the first place, knowing what and who he was and what he represented. Still, it happened. Ever since, it been a constant, sad reveal not only of the ignorance of the American public but of the shortcomings of the American legal system, etc. I mean, it maybe wasn’t as big of a surprise because we lived through GWB and his whole shitstorm but still, Americans are straight up dum dums bro. 

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1 hour ago, phudoshin said:

The DOJ is slow and being super meticulous..trying to make it airtight. They're playing a blinder with their tactics on the special master front too. Ive seen every Jan 6th hearing too... just to hear sense been spoken is amazing.  I think he'll go down..... the maga/Qanon folks will fizzle away. surely this kind of stupidity can't survive. Am I naïve AF?

I'm not so sure the DOJ will attempt to prosecute him.  They're supposed to be completely impartial when it comes to politics and a lot of people are afraid of the precedent that it sets if they go after him, even though there is clear evidence that he broke at least a few laws.  If they don't go after him, what precedent does that set also?  That this kind of behavior will be tolerated?  They are kind of screwed either way.

Personally, I think it's worth the risk to prosecute him, but I don't get to make that call.

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1 hour ago, randomsummer said:

Personally, I think it's worth the risk to prosecute him, but I don't get to make that call.

i think they absolutely have to prosecute him. any other person would've been in jail already. 

not prosecuting him would basically throw the country out the window and entire generation of americans would have no doubt that the system is complete broken and they'd have no faith in the government, the courts, congress etc.. and they'd essentially stop participating. the country would essentially be handed over to the fascists.

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I've lost faith in so much of it tbh. the whole trump show has been a massive eye opener, to say the least. seems at this point the trump hangover is in full swing, like waking up after a massive bender...

like you guys have indicated - will anything happen to him? I honestly don't think so. the American people are ultimately at fault, for letting themselves believe in all his lies, resulting in him getting elected in the first place. don't want to hear dems or whatever other side are at fault as well, because end of the day, there is right and there is wrong. so much of the trump show falls in the "wrong" category, it is simply mind boggling. if any other person in this position acted the way he did, then they would be fired, or possibly killed, depending on what country you're in.

I really try to not even think about it as much as I once did, because it is all out of my control. yeah I can vote dem and show up for local elections, but end of the day - this whole mess is not going to go away easily, nor end well I'm afraid. more people will end up getting massively fucked over due to the rigging that has gone on by the republican party, all in support of this con man. 

if trump gets indicted, charged, and serves some BS house arrest at mar-a-lago, he'll still come back around. team R will continue to rally around him, and it will reinforce all the nut jobs belief he is some sort of savior. the only way this potentially fizzles out is with him completely gone (wink wink), and then the minions below him tear each other apart vying for power. maybe then the R party has a come to jesus moment, and makes some half assed attempt in moving back toward the "right" category.

will be interesting to see what becomes of Adam Kizinger, and any momentum he can build in battling back the R crazy train. if we are going to be stuck with this 2 party system, then it has to balance out at some point...can't keep going on the R vs. D gridlocks and expect any real progress. as much as we can dream up some other system of governance here, it will take a massive sea change to ever implement this. hey, who the hell knows, maybe something like this does come about naturally, out of necessity due to the fact what we have now is clearly not working as intended.

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2 hours ago, zero said:

if trump gets indicted, charged, and serves some BS house arrest at mar-a-lago, he'll still come back around. team R will continue to rally around him, and it will reinforce all the nut jobs belief he is some sort of savior.

or THE savior

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30 minutes ago, Nebraska said:

finally, politics is getting a lil' spicy

 

straight outta the trump playbook. take a simple question and twist it toward a totally juvenile direction. note the youngun right behind her. total class right there. morality? ethics? those died a long time ago. USA! USA!

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7 hours ago, ignatius said:

 

not prosecuting him would basically throw the country out the window and entire generation of americans would have no doubt that the system is complete broken and they'd have no faith in the government, the courts, congress etc.. and they'd essentially stop participating. the country would essentially be handed over to the fascists.

But you know that prosecuting him isn't just going to make everyone on his side fall in line. Trumpers would be calling on the DOJ to prosecute any and all high-ranking Ds for any number of things real and fake from now until forever. Not saying that's a reason to not do it, just something the DOJ has to consider.

I mean if we're talking precedent, the Rs already burned that bridge with the last two SCOTUS nominations, so maybe it's time for the Ds to grow their precedent-breaking balls.

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2 minutes ago, randomsummer said:

But you know that prosecuting him isn't just going to make everyone on his side fall in line. Trumpers would be calling on the DOJ to prosecute any and all high-ranking Ds for any number of things real and fake from now until forever. Not saying that's a reason to not do it, just something the DOJ has to consider.

I mean if we're talking precedent, the Rs already burned that bridge with the last two SCOTUS nominations, so maybe it's time for the Ds to grow their precedent-breaking balls.

if the republicans do take the house in november all bets are off. i mean.. they're going to do the same shit they did for so long voting to defund obamacare every day or whatever. 

as for what the DoJ will do.. who knows.. i think it will take a while for sure. and the dems do need to grow some balls for fuck sake.. i mean.. they've been getting smacked around politically for so long because they just aren't playing the same game the republicans are playing. 

DoJ does def need to prosecute though.. make an example.. regardless of what it means for all the trump cultists out there. 

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12 hours ago, phudoshin said:

Out here on the edge of Western Europe, I seem to be the only one of my friends, family, colleagues following the slow legal downfall of Trump and co. I find it absolutely fascinating - the level of the clownshow, the depths of his egregiousness ... its better than any series and the most schadenfreude thing. But nobody seems interested.. everyones jaded and doesn't want to think about the orange idiot and thinks he'll just get away with it... or i just get "why do you care?". Eh hello - its basic human drama on a MASSIVE scale... the lies, the schemes, the grift... a President being so criminal. 

 

 The DOJ is slow and being super meticulous..trying to make it airtight. They're playing a blinder with their tactics on the special master front too. Ive seen every Jan 6th hearing too... just to hear sense been spoken is amazing.  I think he'll go down..... the maga/Qanon folks will fizzle away. surely this kind of stupidity can't survive. Am I naïve AF?

100% absolutely. surrealist madness going on. it's looking an awful lot like trump will be indicted for espionage. and then there's all the rest of it. the coup and his attack on ukraine etc.

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4 hours ago, Nebraska said:

finally, politics is getting a lil' spicy

 

She was also in a softcore vampire porn at some point:

 

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i didn't watch the interview but holy shit he's so out of his mind. 

https://www.salon.com/2022/09/22/donald-has-the-right-to-remain-silent-experts-say-trumps-bonkers-fox-interview-could-be-evidence/

Legal experts on Wednesday rejected former President Donald Trump's claim that he could declassify secret national security documents with his mind.

Trump in an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity made a series of claims entirely untethered from reality while defending himself amid an FBI criminal investigation into classified documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago residence.

Trump suggested that last month's FBI search of the property may have actually been in search of Hillary Clinton's deleted emails.

"There's also a lot of speculation, because of what they did, the severity of the FBI coming in, raiding Mar-a-Lago, were they looking for the Hillary Clinton emails that were deleted — but they are around someplace," Trump said.

"There doesn't have to be a process as I understand it," Trump said. "If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying, 'It's declassified,' even by thinking about it because you're sending it to Mar-a-Lago or wherever you're sending it. And there doesn't have to be a process. There can be a process but there doesn't have to be. You're the president. You make that decision. So when you send it, it's declassified. I declassified everything."

 

 

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4 hours ago, ignatius said:

i didn't watch the interview but holy shit he's so out of his mind. 

https://www.salon.com/2022/09/22/donald-has-the-right-to-remain-silent-experts-say-trumps-bonkers-fox-interview-could-be-evidence/

Legal experts on Wednesday rejected former President Donald Trump's claim that he could declassify secret national security documents with his mind.

Trump in an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity made a series of claims entirely untethered from reality while defending himself amid an FBI criminal investigation into classified documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago residence.

Trump suggested that last month's FBI search of the property may have actually been in search of Hillary Clinton's deleted emails.

"There's also a lot of speculation, because of what they did, the severity of the FBI coming in, raiding Mar-a-Lago, were they looking for the Hillary Clinton emails that were deleted — but they are around someplace," Trump said.

"There doesn't have to be a process as I understand it," Trump said. "If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying, 'It's declassified,' even by thinking about it because you're sending it to Mar-a-Lago or wherever you're sending it. And there doesn't have to be a process. There can be a process but there doesn't have to be. You're the president. You make that decision. So when you send it, it's declassified. I declassified everything."

 

 

this could easily be a clip used in a PSA. something along the lines of:

"this is what happens to your brain when you spend your entire life lying. when your whole career is based off a lie. when you've lied to everyone around you for so long, you can no longer keep track of the lies. you no longer have the mental ability to answer simple questions, due to the fact you can no longer distinguish reality from fiction. you will eventually end up like this man."

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4 minutes ago, zero said:

this could easily be a clip used in a PSA. something along the lines of:

"this is what happens to your brain when you spend your entire life lying. when your whole career is based off a lie. when you've lied to everyone around you for so long, you can no longer keep track of the lies. you no longer have the mental ability to answer simple questions, due to the fact you can no longer distinguish reality from fiction. you will eventually end up like this man."

"Watch for these signs of the onset of dementia" 

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12 hours ago, ignatius said:

i didn't watch the interview but holy shit he's so out of his mind. 

https://www.salon.com/2022/09/22/donald-has-the-right-to-remain-silent-experts-say-trumps-bonkers-fox-interview-could-be-evidence/

Legal experts on Wednesday rejected former President Donald Trump's claim that he could declassify secret national security documents with his mind.

Trump in an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity made a series of claims entirely untethered from reality while defending himself amid an FBI criminal investigation into classified documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago residence.

Trump suggested that last month's FBI search of the property may have actually been in search of Hillary Clinton's deleted emails.

"There's also a lot of speculation, because of what they did, the severity of the FBI coming in, raiding Mar-a-Lago, were they looking for the Hillary Clinton emails that were deleted — but they are around someplace," Trump said.

"There doesn't have to be a process as I understand it," Trump said. "If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying, 'It's declassified,' even by thinking about it because you're sending it to Mar-a-Lago or wherever you're sending it. And there doesn't have to be a process. There can be a process but there doesn't have to be. You're the president. You make that decision. So when you send it, it's declassified. I declassified everything."

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, phudoshin said:

But by fuck, the propping up done for this guy...

it's sick. in the addiction world this is known as enabling behavior.

look at this shit - 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/23/trump-midterms-2024-pac-00058515

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Donald Trump’s top lieutenants are launching a new super PAC that is expected to spend heavily to bolster his endorsed candidates in the midterm election — and, some people close to the former president say, could become a campaign apparatus if he runs in 2024.

Sanctioned by the former president, the new group, dubbed MAGA, Inc., will become the primary vehicle for Trump’s operation to engage in political activity in 2022. The outfit is designed to funnel large sums into key races and could conceivably be used to boost Trump in the event he seeks the White House again.

 

the guy's wrapped up in all sorts of legal doo doo. has been accused (and everyone with half a brain knows is true) of pulling ridiculous numbers of scams throughout his entire career, in order to build his trump world empire. and what do these red hat lemmings do? they feed him with more and more cash for him to do fuck knows what with. the scam is being pulled right out in the open, and half the country is still buying into it. it is absolutely bonkers.

but hey, that's what happens when internet becomes the primary way humans digest information. tons and tons of people believe that if it's posted on social media, must be true. so many people have lost their ability their ability to filter out bullshit. there's not even a common variable any more. you can't say that uneducated folks are the ones falling for it, because I personally have a friend who's a doctor, and he believes this Q-anon / fox news bullshit. not even worth arguing anymore. just let it all ride, see what tf happens.

 

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24 minutes ago, ignatius said:

video footage of trump declassifying documents

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maybe for donald's next act, he can convince the world he's a psychic. like this dude - 

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i'm sure this'll be fine. 

why can't these fucks just play dungeons and dragons or somethign?? oh right.. they're idiots..

also, wtf.. Az gets super hot all the time. they're gonna drop like flys if they don't get to reup at cracker barrel or get some IV hydration. 

edit: also, someone in the whitehouse was talking to a rioter on jan 6th

Riggleman: White House switchboard called a Capitol rioter on January 6

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/denver-riggleman-white-house-switchboard-capitol-rioter-january-6-60-minutes-2022-09-23/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7d&linkId=182781555

jfc.. if we cant shake loose of this asshole and his goons it's gonna be even more uncomfortable for everyone as the world burns. 

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On 9/23/2022 at 5:51 PM, ignatius said:

i'm sure this'll be fine. 

why can't these fucks just play dungeons and dragons or somethign?? oh right.. they're idiots..

also, wtf.. Az gets super hot all the time. they're gonna drop like flys if they don't get to reup at cracker barrel or get some IV hydration. 

edit: also, someone in the whitehouse was talking to a rioter on jan 6th

Riggleman: White House switchboard called a Capitol rioter on January 6

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/denver-riggleman-white-house-switchboard-capitol-rioter-january-6-60-minutes-2022-09-23/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7d&linkId=182781555

jfc.. if we cant shake loose of this asshole and his goons it's gonna be even more uncomfortable for everyone as the world burns. 

I guess the sweatpants with holes were cheaper at Walmart? Which is also where they work, convenient.

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Interesting but as with anything trump related… we’ll see. 
 

 

the criminal case that was put aside by that newly elected guy, Alan Bragg, always seemed fishy to me. Will be interesting to see what the IRS does and what the 2nd district does. 

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7 hours ago, ignatius said:

Interesting but as with anything trump related… we’ll see. 

they mentioned in that video there's a good chance trump will be "kicked out" of NY, and the empire continues operating out of Florida. and they asked does the US judicial system have the appetite to sentence trump to actual confinement, not just house arrest. IMO these are 2 massive issues with this whole NY attorney general case. I just can't see him actually serving real time after the shit show of a criminal case finally wraps up. that will take how many years? by then he'll be into his 80s, and very well could be back in some political office at that point. that's another one of his plays. get elected a 2nd time so he doesn't have to go to jail lol.

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