zlemflolia Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 not only are liberals sad, they are the biggest impediment to the unchaining of the workers, even bigger so than the conservative who can be defeated on ideological grounds. the liberal lives in a world of feelings and personality impressions, disconnected from the material conditions of the greater society and internally unattached to any particular alignment of intent. they worship capital and grovel to billionaires, thinking things can't be done. they could be done if it wasn't for liberals appropriating the left political position 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 flol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, caze said: there's no such thing as 'free' health care, or college and Bernie's policies will make both more expensive. jesus christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 biden cleaning up so far. very interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I thought there was a general rule in life about never "going full retard". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, caze said: there's no such thing as 'free' health care, or college and Bernie's policies will make both more expensive. hard to imagine my $14,000 a month cancer medication being more expensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hugh Mughnus said: I thought there was a general rule in life about never "going full retard". it's sort of like never crossing the streams.. you only do it when you're out of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) . Edited March 4, 2020 by caze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 caze you are completely ignorant about the facts. bernie is paying for medicare for all through a combination of taxes on the rich and taxes on everyone, with most of it being covered by taxes on the rich. and the net costs will go down since a large cost center - the health insurance industry which only exists to suck profits from the healthcare industry through arbitrage across time - is being completely eliminated. i guess you think poor people just deserve to die or go bankrupt? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ignatius said: hard to imagine my $14,000 a month cancer medication being more expensive. you've obviously not got a great imagination, nor paid much attention to world events over the last 50 years. debt spirals are a thing, inflation is a thing. Edited March 4, 2020 by caze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, caze said: you've obviously not got a great imagination, nor paid much attention to world events over the last 50 years. debt spirals are a thing, inflation is a thing. so are price gouging and greed. same drug in canada is like $6k a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) additionally, how the fuck is it cheaper to let everyone be unhealthy all the time? you realize that sucks away productivity of the wage slaves right? you realize routine preventative care, which many people do not have access to, is cheaper than treating issues after they fully develop? where are the net extra costs coming from? treating more people who otherwise wouldn't be? you think that's where we should cut costs, letting them die to save money for... someone? Edited March 4, 2020 by Zeffolia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, ignatius said: so are price gouging and greed. same drug in canada is like $6k a year. maybe the US should try implementing Canada's health system then? there are lots of ways to fix the broken US system, M4A is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, auxien said: yup. it shows the people are afraid of 2 things: Trump, and socialism. pEoPlE feAR wHaT thEY dOn'T UndERStaNd 1 minute ago, caze said: maybe the US should try implementing Canada's health system then? there are lots of ways to fix the broken US system, M4A is not one of them. fine. we can change the name and call it Canada for All. problem solved. it's worth mentioning that any of sanders' plans would have to go through congress. even if democrats won both houses of congress any plan is going to be changed, watered down, amended etc. however, i think starting with a high bar .. a high bid.. the going from there, is the way to go when dealing w/congress. the affordable care act started off as way more comprehensive including a public option. Edited March 4, 2020 by ignatius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, ignatius said: it's sort of like never crossing the streams.. you only do it when you're out of options. US healthcare is ridiculously fucked I think we can both agree on that... I can't believe life saving treatment is that expensive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, ignatius said: fine. we can change the name and call it Canada for All. problem solved. the name isn't the problem, it's the policy detail. the Canadian system is nothing like Bernie's plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 i dont care how much it fucking costs, i'd sooner seize every mansion, yacht, luxury car, and every billionaire's wealth, than sit by with this bullshit any longer. actual humans are sick of neolibs who are themselves disconnected from the reality of the effects of the economic policies they want 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, caze said: the name isn't the problem, it's the policy detail. the Canadian system is nothing like Bernie's plan. see my above post. i see bernie's plans as a negotiating tactic. start w/a high bid. compromise. it's the way of the world and the way of gov't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, ignatius said: see my above post. i see bernie's plans as a negotiating tactic. start w/a high bid. compromise. it's the way of the world and the way of gov't. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/sanders-splits-aoc-medicare-for-all-already-compromise-town-hall-2020-2-1028920152 >But my view is that Medicare for All, the bill that we wrote, is in a sense already a compromise. It is a four-year transition period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Zeffolia said: i dont care how much it fucking costs, i'd sooner seize every mansion, yacht, luxury car, and every billionaire's wealth, than sit by with this bullshit any longer. actual humans are sick of neolibs who are themselves disconnected from the reality of the effects of the economic policies they want lol. fight the power zeff I'm loving this idea that you think I'm the one who's divorced from reality, you couldn't make this shit up. I find it hard to believe you're a real person. Maybe you're just a kid and don't know any better. 6 minutes ago, ignatius said: see my above post. i see bernie's plans as a negotiating tactic. start w/a high bid. compromise. it's the way of the world and the way of gov't. if that's all it is then it's a very shit negotiating tactic, would remind me of the Brits trying to negotiate with the EU. Bernie and most of his hardcore support don't see it as a tactic though. they genuinely think it's a good plan. lol. also, the other candidates have better plans, and they won't need to negotiate with their own party to get them through as long as they win the senate. Edited March 4, 2020 by caze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Zeffolia said: https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/sanders-splits-aoc-medicare-for-all-already-compromise-town-hall-2020-2-1028920152 >But my view is that Medicare for All, the bill that we wrote, is in a sense already a compromise. It is a four-year transition period yeah i know what he wants and believes but the reality of it is different. congress isn't going to pass something like that w/o leaving its claw marks on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, caze said: lol. fight the power zeff I'm loving this idea that you think I'm the one who's divorced from reality, you couldn't make this shit up. I find it hard to believe you're a real person. Maybe you're just a kid and don't know any better. this is a funny post coming from someone who ignored everything i said and instead only insulted me. at least i put substance around my insults 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 fucking flol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 for the lulz 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, caze said: fucking flol can't wait to laugh at this posted again in a a year or two when he croaks edit: Bloomberg stating he's going to 'reassess' his run tomorrow. so, he's dropping out as soon as it looks like Bernie's lost it. pretty much expected i guess? Edited March 4, 2020 by auxien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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