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9 minutes ago, Wunderbar said:

What would recently released synths do you like than ?

Does anyone here own a rare vintage piece of music making stuff comp synth delay etc?

I dont know every new synth on the market but:

Entry level: Tetra/Mopho (own it), Monologue (own it), Bass Station 2, 0-Coast. All have character and powerful pure sound. Rolands (boutiques) are mostly shit. Arturia minibrute etc are a bit weak and average, lack flexibility. Behringer are weak and thin, no character.

OB6, Prophet 12, Doepfer Quantum, Digitone, Tasty Chips GR-1 are my favorite recent high end poly.

All of this very subjective of course.

 

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If i had an advice for anyone buying a synth it would be to ALWAYS try it before hand. Never impulse buy without trying or only from demos or hype or advices from other people taste.

And when you play it it has to instantly give you tracks idea and make your hair stands on your arm. Like straight inspiration and straight goosebumps, these are used to make music after all.

''it sounds alright'' is never enough and will probably end up in regret.

It has to be love at first sight.

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43 minutes ago, Wunderbar said:

 i always feel like those demos where only the synth plays are misleading. they are always so loud, u would never have them that in loud in a normal mix.

I wish that there was more Demo tracks from synth makers in addition to demo noodling. Native does it in their demos.

Like the Korg demos from Afx.I would take that kind of stuff for every synth release. Hire a few musicians, and have them make trx with the product. It's fun to hear what a track sounds like made only with one synth. 

But i guess they do it that way so it's more neutral.

But hiring famous musicians to make a demo for a synth is a bit of an underrated marketing strategy imo.They could milk it really good.I think guitar and pedals people do it more with rock musicians.

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Sorry if im a bit dismissive and aggro but its because i was (and people i know) really scammed into some cheap piece of gear quite a few time and i ended up regretting spending hundred of dollars on nearly unusable synth toys and/or bad equipment lol

And it sucks. Some brand take advantage of your lack of money to scam you into buying really shitty gear. Cheap and good gear exist but it's not all of them, everyone should be aware of that when they're looking into buying affordable equipment.

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If I had to pick one, probably the model d. Heard good things about it from people I respect.

haven't heard much about the mono/poly, but that’s probably my favorite retro synth.

but, I have iOS versions of both that sound amazing, so...

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On 7/3/2021 at 1:14 PM, thefxbip said:

FM has been of the rise recently.DX7 scores higher prices than 5 years ago.

But as for digi gear maybe but maybe not.

Seems to be that lots of VST can do what Digi hardware can do and get some of the same flavours. The same is certainly not true for analogue gear. VA isnt cutting it. If you want analogue tone you need real analogue still imo. With a real analogue you dont need to mess with parameters 30 min to get a bass you get it in 5 seconds. So the fact that you need it hardware gives it a bit of an edge. No other way to get the sound than owning the machine. Of course there is always ergonomics and hands on advantages of having a hardware digi synth and every synth is unique but i dont know if its enough to boost the market that much.

Hybrid synths tho are cool beasts. Analogue filters on digital osc are always quite interesting.

Vintage market is obviously vastly overblown and ridiculous tho.

In the end it's a rarity and fetishization thing. Every synth is unique, even VSTi and Digi and Clones and has its own tone. So if a particular synth is rare its gonna get expensive cause there is no other way to get this exact particular sound, especially in analogue and some are gonna fetishize this particular sound and will be willing to spend the money (on top of the collector factor).

Not necessarily because its better.

303 is a good example. It's not a particularily mind blowing or flexible synth compared to a prophet 5 but its highly fetishized.

Samplers that were getting $100-$200 4 years ago are getting $500-$800 now.  ROMplers mostly haven't seen quite as much of a bump but a bit.  More idiosyncratic stuff like the Kawai K series, Wavestation, TG/SY series Yamahas has gone way up.

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On 7/3/2021 at 1:25 PM, Wunderbar said:

What would recently released synths do you like than ?

Does anyone here own a rare vintage piece of music making stuff comp synth delay etc?

How rare do you mean?  I've got a Juno 6 (I was saving for a Deepmind 12 but the Juno was cheaper, which is pretty funny in retrospect) and a Matrix 1000, neither of which are exactly rare treasures despite the current vintage market the Matrix 1000 was the last cheap vintage polysynth back when I got it, but they aren't cheap anymore).

 

I will say the Juno sounds way better than any modern analog poly I've played.  The Juno sounds great but I wouldn't pay current prices for one, not even close.  It's good enough that I also wouldn't sell it for current prices now that I have it, though (a 60 I'd absolutely sell, the prices on those are just ridiculous).

 

If I was going to pay current Juno 6 prices on an analog synth I'd get something modern and put a couple hundred dollars into a Juno-like vintage Boss or Roland chorus, (Dimension C, CE300, probably a couple others I'm less familiar with) because I hear a way more meaningful difference between vintage and modern BBD effects than I do between vintage and modern analog synths.

 

Vintage digital I've got too much of, you could hardly give that stuff away when I was getting back in to electronic music and really acquiring gear in the first half of the 2010s.

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On 7/3/2021 at 2:18 PM, thefxbip said:

I wish that there was more Demo tracks from synth makers in addition to demo noodling. Native does it in their demos.

This is the correct way to make a product demo:

 

 

 

Like, you can immediately tell (correctly) that it's the greatest fuzz ever made.

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2 hours ago, TubularCorporation said:

How rare do you mean?  I've got a Juno 6 (I was saving for a Deepmind 12 but the Juno was cheaper, which is pretty funny in retrospect) and a Matrix 1000, neither of which are exactly rare treasures despite the current vintage market the Matrix 1000 was the last cheap vintage polysynth back when I got it, but they aren't cheap anymore).

 

I will say the Juno sounds way better than any modern analog poly I've played.  The Juno sounds great but I wouldn't pay current prices for one, not even close.  It's good enough that I also wouldn't sell it for current prices now that I have it, though (a 60 I'd absolutely sell, the prices on those are just ridiculous).

 

If I was going to pay current Juno 6 prices on an analog synth I'd get something modern and put a couple hundred dollars into a Juno-like vintage Boss or Roland chorus, (Dimension C, CE300, probably a couple others I'm less familiar with) because I hear a way more meaningful difference between vintage and modern BBD effects than I do between vintage and modern analog synths.

 

Vintage digital I've got too much of, you could hardly give that stuff away when I was getting back in to electronic music and really acquiring gear in the first half of the 2010s.

Stuff thats u cant buy in shops anymore and only second hand/ goes for a high price on the second hand market i guess?

So higher price = rarer ?

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6 hours ago, TubularCorporation said:

This is the correct way to make a product demo:

 

 

 

Like, you can immediately tell (correctly) that it's the greatest fuzz ever made.

amazing hahaha

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1 hour ago, thefxbip said:

amazing hahaha

That demo sold me on dropping the $35 or so to build one myself, and it was definitely worth it.

 

You might fault it for having the bass unrealistically high in the mix, but if you use one of these things you realize that it's almost impossible for whatever you plug in to it to not be too loud because there's no volume control and it adds a ridiculous amount of gain.

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17 hours ago, TubularCorporation said:

That demo sold me on dropping the $35 or so to build one myself, and it was definitely worth it.

What/which output transformer did you use for it?

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I just used a kit (misremembered the price, it was pounds not dollars, so closer to $50USD and another $10 or so if you order a predrilled case, which is worth it since all of the controls are PCB mounted so measuring to drill your own would be a hassle and you'd only save a couple dollars):

https://shop.pedalparts.co.uk/BrassMaster/p847124_11795417.aspx

 

Lots of kits exotic fuzz pedals at good prices on there, cheap enough that it's not worth the difference in cost to go through the trouble of perfboarding them unless you already have all the parts on hand. Based on the Brassmaster kit I'd definitely recommend them.

I've also added a master volume, although I didn't have the right pot handy so it can only cut the output to about 50% (which is still pretty loud at a lot of settings).  If you get one you should definitely think about adding master volume (it's a bight tight in the case, I used a 9mm pot and pit it on the side of the case, in the lower left corner).  Here are the notes I made for myself:

 

Master volume: Remove r12 Solder outer lugs of 100k audio pot in its place Take output from middle lug of pot instead of out pad on PCB. Alternatively, remove R12, connect Out pad to lug 1, lug 2 to Output pad on switch PCB, lug 3 to ground

 

I only had a 50k but it works, and doesn't change the sound in any way I noticed.

Also it's not a 1:1 transformer so don't be dumb like I was, forget to check which side is the primary and install it backward, because it's not easy to desolder it.

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They've also got a pretty tempting looking Fuzz Factory clone.

 

https://shop.pedalparts.co.uk/Filth_Fack_-_Crazy_Germanium_Fuzz/p847124_5439185.aspx

 

I'm not actually a huge Fuzz Factory fan, but back in the 2000s I had a chance to buy Fuzz Factory #6 for $150 complete with the bag and manual and I didn't because I tried it for a while and thought it was gimmicky.  Making a clone might make me regret that less even though I probably wouldn't use it too much (I've got a modified, DIY Devi Ever Soda Meiser clone that goes way farther than anything I've heard from a Fuzz Factory, and am starting to get the basic design together for an even more ridiculous version of it that adds parallel half wave rectification in front of the fuzz and an envelope controlled feedback loop, so when I've got that figured out and built I'll have more than enough misbiased noise-fuzz).

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Devil Fish hits back at Behringer's proposed "Murdered Out" TD-3 -  gearnews.com

This is a picture that they posted to their facebook last year but from what I remember they had some sort of legal trouble with the original creator of the devilfish mod.

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1 hour ago, cboyardeat said:

from what I remember they had some sort of legal trouble with the original creator of the devilfish mod.

It was more like they lowballed him on the rights to use the Devilfish name/design, he refused, and then they (evidently) went and did it anyway.

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Aren't the devil fish mods more of a collective effort? 

 

This does sound promising:

 

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1 minute ago, chronical said:

Aren't the devil fish mods more of a collective effort? 

No I don’t think so. It’s a husband and wife setup.

 

I believe there is a collective working on their own version of the modifications but the original isn’t 

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Man I want to buy that thing but hard to justify it right now as there's prob better things to invest my money in with how the world is haha..

 

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