donquixote Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Been fighting asking this question for a while but does anyone know what desk(s) Rich had in Lannerlog or Clissold? My reasons for asking are two fold: 1. I'm an insufferable turbo nerd and fanatic 2. I need a new desk and want to know as a type of anti-GAS reality check. I'm pretty sure the mixers weren't that fancy and I love those records to bits. Therefore hopefully inspiring me to stop looking at mixers I can't afford or fit in my room. Cheers Bobby x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enthusiast Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Dunno, but he just bought a Zähl for his current studio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donquixote Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, Enthusiast said: Dunno, but he just bought a Zähl for his current studio 24 cwejman channels coming up with stereo MBC3s on each bus group. As much as I love Wowa and his work this is the stuff I don't wanna look at tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enthusiast Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Yeah it's fantasy gear. I remember reading that he used a Studiomaster Star 8ch(?) on SAW 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donquixote Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Enthusiast said: Yeah it's fantasy gear. I remember reading that he used a Studiomaster Star 8ch(?) on SAW 2. Been trying to remember what that mixer was!! Was like a tank that thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbage_burner Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 I think those early studiomaster desks have some decent transformers in them. Would explain a lot of the magic of Rich’s mixes back then. Throw the faders up and it sounds good. I got lucky and got an Alice/stancoil desk recently and it definitely transforms anything you send to it into blissful ear candy. Used by lee scratch Perry In the early 70s and a bit on syro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donquixote Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 8 hours ago, bandenoire said: I think those early studiomaster desks have some decent transformers in them. Would explain a lot of the magic of Rich’s mixes back then. Throw the faders up and it sounds good. I got lucky and got an Alice/stancoil desk recently and it definitely transforms anything you send to it into blissful ear candy. Used by lee scratch Perry In the early 70s and a bit on syro. Oooh nice tip. Thank you. Those look like they go at reasonable prices too if I can ever find one. What size did you manage to get? Would love one even if it was just a sub mixer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbage_burner Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, donquixote said: Oooh nice tip. Thank you. Those look like they go at reasonable prices too if I can ever find one. What size did you manage to get? Would love one even if it was just a sub mixer. I got an 62/3 which is an early one before the 828. It’s six channels but I use it at the end of some other summing mixers and really like the sound of going into the Alice and it’s limiters. Mine has sowter transformers but they switched to belclaire shortly after which is the same that neve used. Def a magic box. They come up every now and then. I’d casually had a saved search going since 2008 and finally pulled the trigger on one last year. Not surprisingly, the amount they go for jumped after Syro’s gearlist published. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donquixote Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, bandenoire said: I got an 62/3 which is an early one before the 828. It’s six channels but I use it at the end of some other summing mixers and really like the sound of going into the Alice and it’s limiters. Mine has sowter transformers but they switched to belclaire shortly after which is the same that neve used. Def a magic box. They come up every now and then. I’d casually had a saved search going since 2008 and finally pulled the trigger on one last year. Not surprisingly, the amount they go for jumped after Syro’s gearlist published. Yeah I've been eyeing up calrecs for a while for the same reason but the price is quite high and I'm nervous about the issues it might develop. Vintage stuff is always a bit of a gamble in my experience and money is tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbage_burner Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 6 hours ago, donquixote said: Yeah I've been eyeing up calrecs for a while for the same reason but the price is quite high and I'm nervous about the issues it might develop. Vintage stuff is always a bit of a gamble in my experience and money is tight. Calreqs are definitely a special breed. In a class all of there own. Are you looking for a tone box or something with some flexibility in routing? Amek Tac’s are pretty versatile and have some decent pres. I think I saw ceephax use one on a video on his YouTube channel. Audix MXT’s are another less spoken about board that uses neve transformers and is a nice little sidecar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbage_burner Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Also, never underestimate the Boss Bx-8 or -16. Definitely has some charm and they’re cheap as hell. Only fault with it is that it has no mutes but otherwise a competent techno workhorse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbage_burner Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 This is the one I think he mentioned: https://reverb.com/item/28011545-studiomaster-star-system-mixer-with-psu?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzqv2gNuV5gIVB8pkCh1ayQ-6EAQYASABEgILOfD_BwE&merchant_id=142808446&pla=1&utm_campaign=6481936488&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbage_burner Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Not mixer related but while on the topic of saw ii, I thought it was interesting that rich said he was worried he would have had to bake the beta tapes in order to have a high quality copy of stone in focus. Wonder if he was for real dumping masters back then to beta. They have more width and thus more headroom than most tape formats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donquixote Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 On 12/1/2019 at 6:55 PM, bandenoire said: Calreqs are definitely a special breed. In a class all of there own. Are you looking for a tone box or something with some flexibility in routing? Amek Tac’s are pretty versatile and have some decent pres. I think I saw ceephax use one on a video on his YouTube channel. Audix MXT’s are another less spoken about board that uses neve transformers and is a nice little sidecar. That's the hard question isn't it. Really want both but probably not gonna get that. Right now my dream desk would be the APB pro desk 8.... They are rare as fuck and I can't afford it right now. So I'm currently thinking Allen heath gl2*** 24 track to cover some of my routing needs (as they are pretty readily available and I had A&h in the 90s and loved it as a kiddo) and then maybe something like a BX (or something else small) for flavour. I've been recording straight into a 16 channel UAD soundcard for years because of space issues, now I've got the space I'm gone into mixer anxiety so any help with this is appreciated as I'm totally narked off with the current setup. (I dunno what's wrong with me, I'm fine with synths and modules and stuff, no issue at all, I guess it's easier to get a feel for tho) 19 hours ago, bandenoire said: Not mixer related but while on the topic of saw ii, I thought it was interesting that rich said he was worried he would have had to bake the beta tapes in order to have a high quality copy of stone in focus. Wonder if he was for real dumping masters back then to beta. They have more width and thus more headroom than most tape formats. I can believe it, fancy recording tech was less available back then, still cool and inspiring tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunyip Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 As I was saying to Donquixote, I understand he was using a BX with an Irate drum machine in lanner. Here is what it sounds like with some Quadrave RB on RS and CL and missing the tape compression. There is one bar of Ageispolis spliced in to some similar patterns for immediate comparison and a spectrogram of both. https://www.dropbox.com/s/pm8ryjgr3ukjtcc/Ageispolis DRUM machine MIXER.zip?dl=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunyip Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Bad link sorry - better one here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/rexyormu9b9w11y/Ageispolis DRUM machine MIXER 2.zip?dl=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba69 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I still really want to know what his setup was like for Rushup edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakapo Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 When did he start using a Midas Venice? Only for Syro? I know we're talking way later than Lannerlog, post 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 i used to have an AMS Calrec minimixer. i miss it. had to sell it in 2008 when the economy collapsed. it was a broadcast desk. was about $3800 when i got it. had to get a custom snake made because of the EDAC connector for direct outs. got it recapped for $500 locally. it was super solid. totally reliable and sounded amazing. lundahl transformers so not as much color as an api. had a really great rpesence and the eq was simple but incredibly musical. just really fantastic. it had 4 sends too. i wish i was able to keep it. if you see one that's for a good price it's a great thing to have. there's 12 and 16 channel versions around as well but they're rare. the 8 channel is a little tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donquixote Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 thanks for all the info, any one got any thoughts on the gl2400s? (edit: especially in comparison of sound rather than features to the other mixers mentioned in this thread. Features are obviously totally different on everything here so not really worth chatting about) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donquixote Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 15 hours ago, kakapo said: When did he start using a Midas Venice? Only for Syro? I know we're talking way later than Lannerlog, post 2000. Do we know he uses if for recording or just live? Only seen/heard-reference to it live I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbpete Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 It's used on five of the tracks - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbage_burner Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 He listed the equipment used on love 7 and where/when it was recorded on SoundCloud. I can’t remember exactly, and soundcloud is garbage on a phone, but I think he mentioned using either a Midas Venice or Soundcraft Ghost. Also was recorded around Tuss times despite being an analord bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoeB Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 11/30/2019 at 2:13 PM, donquixote said: does anyone know what desk(s) Rich had in Lannerlog or Clissold? Quote I don't know why, but I'm anti-big mixers, for some reason. The mixer I record with at home is only about so big; it's 8-channel, and I've got a 16-channel one which is even smaller. I don't know what it is. It's got no writing on it - I found it in a second-hand shop... I think it was home-made, and some of the pots were a bit dodgy, so I've changed it around. I just really like small things. Big mixers are a rip-off. I can't imagine spending £100,000 on a mixer for 20dB less hiss. Turn the treble down at the output and you've saved yourself a hundred grand. From an interview in 1993. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YangYing Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 holy shit welcome back @ZoeB!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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