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It sounds like a lot of people who got infected, and then vaccinated, won’t need booster shots like the rest of us will

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14 hours ago, Rubin Farr said:

There are also reports that the wife of a Wuhan lab worker died of COVID in December, 2019

 

Is there a non New York Post source for this?

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Is anyone else getting a sinking feeling of dread as this news story of what may inevitably be a Chinese failure to contain COVID in a lab gains momentum? My suspicion is they are guilty, but have done such an extensive and now lengthy effort to destroy any trace of evidence in Wuhan or elsewhere, that a national effort to rewrite history is underway, as they have attempted with Tiananmen Square, and they will NEVER admit culpability. A tragedy on the global scale of COVID-19 will just not go unpunished if it was human failure, and with China gaining so much influence, and having such a gung-ho leader, I fear it may eventually lead to a global conflict, even if that takes a century or longer. 

sorry to be a bummer, but this keeps me up at night

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1 hour ago, Silent Member said:

If it's any comfort, that story is only a story in the US so far, take that as you wish.

I realize it's been caught in the liberal cable news cycle, but at least a large government is making a legit effort to fully explore reconstructing what happened for history's sake if nothing else.

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1 hour ago, Rubin Farr said:

I realize it's been caught in the liberal cable news cycle, but at least a large government is making a legit effort to fully explore reconstructing what happened for history's sake if nothing else.

I honestly don't see what difference it makes. Either the virus made its own way to Wuhan (and every virus that makes it to that place is pretty much guaranteed to spread to the rest of the world on account of Wuhan being such an important transportation hub) or it slipped out of a lab because labs are staffed by humans and humans are sloppy but in any case the result is the same.

No matter what the Chinese government wants to cover up, I can guarantee you technicians at that Wuhan facility will be a little more careful for the next few years. Until they inevitably get sloppy again.

Frankly it amazes me that this sort of thing doesn't happen more often.

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1 hour ago, rhmilo said:

Frankly it amazes me that this sort of thing doesn't happen more often.

It probably happens now and then but the news get suppressed especially in places like China. There are some known cases like the time US DoD accidentally sent live Anthrax spores to military bases including one in South Korea https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/27/pentagon-live-anthrax-accident

whoopsie

 

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1 hour ago, zkom said:

It probably happens now and then but the news get suppressed especially in places like China. There are some known cases like the time US DoD accidentally sent live Anthrax spores to military bases including one in South Korea https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/27/pentagon-live-anthrax-accident

whoopsie

Can't find the article now but I read somewhere that not only does it happen fairly often but also it turns out viruses usually don't spread very far. Like maybe a dozen or so people get infected by a specific virus that suddenly appears in a population but then it peters out.

They did some modeling with COVID-19 and they couldn't get it to spread anywhere except in Wuhan and even then not very reliably (which maybe can be interpreted as evidence that it may have escaped from that lab that's smack in the middle of Wuhan).

So not only is news suppressed but often there actually isn't any news because these things pass by unnoticed.

Still, places like Wuhan exist, so I'm still not sure why we don't have accidents or natural spreading events more often. There's at least a dozen cities I could name in Indonesia that would make for prime pandemic starter material, for example.

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3 hours ago, zkom said:

It probably happens now and then but the news get suppressed especially in places like China. There are some known cases like the time US DoD accidentally sent live Anthrax spores to military bases including one in South Korea https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/27/pentagon-live-anthrax-accident

whoopsie

 

This has happened before

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-analysis/sars-escaped-beijing-lab-twice-50137

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"get a shot and have a (free) beer" - joe 'comandante' biden

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-government-and-politics-health-8168ae1c68ca955b620082d862c911ad

i like this free stuff more than other crap like free healthcare or better work programmes. i wish casinos can also step up and give some free gambling chips for roulette 

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Columbia journalism review weighs in on what’s happening with the lab leak hypothesis:

https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/lab_leak_theory_credibility.php

 

TLDR; nothings changed, there’s no new evidence, the theory isn’t any more plausible than it was last year.

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A given theory can be a conspiracy and racist and, at root, true, just as a given theory can be scientifically grounded and not racist and, at root, false; who is propounding it, and why, and based on what, matters. 

IMHO the biggest problem with it was diplomatic. Screaming about a China virus was *really* unhelpful in getting the world to come together to fight it. *If* the lab leak hypothesis is true, thanks to Trump we will never know it.

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Ugh on the phone with my brother yesterday, just found out he won't be getting the vaccine because "he's not sure if it's necessary". Since it was like 11 PM my time I had no desire to get into an argument with him but fuck me what a selfish prick.

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1 minute ago, chenGOD said:

Ugh on the phone with my brother yesterday, just found out he won't be getting the vaccine because "he's not sure if it's necessary". Since it was like 11 PM my time I had no desire to get into an argument with him but fuck me what a selfish prick.

I'm by no means a health expert and can only regurgitate what I have read in media and heard from others about Covid (and it's not even a very interesting topic to think about), but even if this is all true, then at a point when everyone has access to vaccination, shouldn't it be his own decision (because if you want to get protected from the virus you can and it shouldn't matter whether others are vaccinated or not if you are vaccinated)? If there is no area-wide and egalitarian access to vaccination it's a different story, and I don't know about Canada, but I from what I've heard, Canada is well supplied with vaccines. If he has lots of contact with people who for whatever reason can't make this decision (like homeless people or paranoid people that for good or bad reasons don't trust anyone), then it's a different stoery as well. But like most middle class people he most likely doesn't have much contact to them.

But (I'm sort of repeating myself) if he lives in an area where everyone can get vaccinated if they so desire, and if my conclusions aren't wrong, it should be unrisky for others if he doesn't get the vaccine. I may be wrong, though and I guess that if in doubt it's best to get it, just to make sure.

So he might not be wrong, but you should still send him to get vaccinated. Because if there is even a slight chance that he can help others by getting vaXX'd, he should do so... I guess.

You don't need to be dramatic about it when talking to him, though, as this would surely spook him further and make it less likely that he gets the vaccination.

I mean, by his own admission, he is "not sure", which should be enough to get the vaccine. But yeah, it's a tiring topic. Also, family dynamics etc. pp.

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Kids these days. They've seemed to miss a couple of good tales with a moral lesson. Like the one about the ant and the grasshopper. Doesn't take too much mental gymnastics to see the ants as the people getting vaccinated. What's missing, is that the grasshopper, and animals like him, threaten the safety of all. In a childs mind this bigger picture is an acquired taste, I guess. And some may never acquire it. (this will probably trigger a bunch of people hehe)

 

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8 hours ago, Rubin Farr said:

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Wait, what's happening in the UK?

I'm reading it might be because of the more transmissible Delta variant?

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29 minutes ago, MaartenVC said:

Wait, what's happening in the UK?

I'm reading it might be because of the more transmissible Delta variant?

The colonies are striking back.

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7 hours ago, dingformung said:

I'm by no means a health expert and can only regurgitate what I have read in media and heard from others about Covid (and it's not even a very interesting topic to think about), but even if this is all true, then at a point when everyone has access to vaccination, shouldn't it be his own decision (because if you want to get protected from the virus you can and it shouldn't matter whether others are vaccinated or not if you are vaccinated)? If there is no area-wide and egalitarian access to vaccination it's a different story, and I don't know about Canada, but I from what I've heard, Canada is well supplied with vaccines. If he has lots of contact with people who for whatever reason can't make this decision (like homeless people or paranoid people that for good or bad reasons don't trust anyone), then it's a different stoery as well. But like most middle class people he most likely doesn't have much contact to them.

But (I'm sort of repeating myself) if he lives in an area where everyone can get vaccinated if they so desire, and if my conclusions aren't wrong, it should be unrisky for others if he doesn't get the vaccine. I may be wrong, though and I guess that if in doubt it's best to get it, just to make sure.

So he might not be wrong, but you should still send him to get vaccinated. Because if there is even a slight chance that he can help others by getting vaXX'd, he should do so... I guess.

You don't need to be dramatic about it when talking to him, though, as this would surely spook him further and make it less likely that he gets the vaccination.

I mean, by his own admission, he is "not sure", which should be enough to get the vaccine. But yeah, it's a tiring topic. Also, family dynamics etc. pp.

I think this sort of depends on which scale you look at it. On an individual level it probably doesn’t matter so much and it might be difficult to justify getting angry with one person for not getting shots. Otoh this person probably represents a larger group that decides not to get vaxxed for various reasons and this group might fuck things up on a sort of gliding scale with varying degrees of fuckupedness and shitty outcomes for the rest. 
It’s a bit like being into soccer and having a nephew that’s a hooligan. There’s a shared interest but hugely differing views on how to approach it. 

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