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2 hours ago, goDel said:

if that 6.000 is indeed far below the real number, the consequence would most likely be that the risk of dying is even lower than it currently seems to be. if thats the case, most people with the virus just have some kind of unreported flu and think nothing of it. It's the severe cases that get reported.

I’m saying that the number of dead vs the number of cases seems high, not low. I mean idk the numbers of people who get colds/flus compared to those who get it and die, but would’ve though it’d be more like one for every few thousand infected. Idk those numbers for similar viruses/contagions necessarily either, just thinking out loud here really

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28 minutes ago, auxien said:

I’m saying that the number of dead vs the number of cases seems high, not low. I mean idk the numbers of people who get colds/flus compared to those who get it and die, but would’ve though it’d be more like one for every few thousand infected. Idk those numbers for similar viruses/contagions necessarily either, just thinking out loud here really

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Fatality Rate (case fatality ratio or CFR) of 2019-nCoV

The novel coronavirus' case fatality rate is currently estimated at around 3%[9] (between 2% and 4%). 

For comparison, the case fatality rate with seasonal flu is less than 0.01% (1 death per every 10,000 cases)[7].Fatality rate for SARS was 10%, and for MERS 34%. 

 

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^sounds closer to what I was thinking for the flu yeah, minuscule number of those who get it. didn’t realize SARS and MERS were that bad tho damn

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3 hours ago, Brisbot said:


That man simply is not equipped to hold that much fruit. 

And speaking of the virus. I am kinda tired of seeing the news over-play these kinds of things. It could become an issue worldwide, but more people have probably died from falling refrigerators in the past week than the virus. I remember when there were a few dozen cases of Ebola in the news here in Texas and they didn't stop reporting it.

the chinese government isn't overplaying it, they're massively under reporting it. you know they still went ahead with a 100k person banquet in wuhan for celebrations a week after the first death from the virus was recorded? they arrested ppl and journalists who reported about the virus...absolutely fucked up.

 

also, why not err on the side of caution when charting unknown territory with viruses. we havent seen this one b4, although we do know its in the same family as SARS, but why would you NOT be overly cautious when viruses could proliferate at such a rapid rate?

3 hours ago, drillkicker said:

I’m glad that China is actually enforcing lockdowns and quarantines, unlike Congolese Ebola outbreaks, where one of the deadliest viral pathogens in the world is treated with the same concern as bronchitis.

you should not be lauding the chinese government for doing anything, they have handled this situation embarrassingly bad

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1 hour ago, Bodhidharma said:

also, why not err on the side of caution when charting unknown territory with viruses. we havent seen this one b4, although we do know its in the same family as SARS, but why would you NOT be overly cautious when viruses could proliferate at such a rapid rate?

Because shutting down society is a very drastic step to take. People will have no income, no food (after a while), no services, etc, all of which could itself very well cause loss of life. Not something you want to be responsible for unless you’re fairly certain it’s absolutely necessary.

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Ex-pat living in China has a run down on China covering up info

 

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44 minutes ago, rhmilo said:

Because shutting down society is a very drastic step to take. People will have no income, no food (after a while), no services, etc, all of which could itself very well cause loss of life. Not something you want to be responsible for unless you’re fairly certain it’s absolutely necessary.

where did i say anything about shutting down society

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"Society is a drag, so why not drop it?"

 

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Tin-foil hat fodder but interesting:

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic

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  1. One of China's top virology and immunology experts was and still works at China's top-rated biohazard lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which some have affectionately called the real Umbrella Corp.
  2. Since 2009, Peng has been the leading Chinese scientist researching the immune mechanism of bats carrying and transmitting lethal viruses in the world.
  3. His primary field of study is researching how and why bats can be infected with some of the most nightmarish viruses in the world including Ebola, SARS and Coronavirus, and not get sick.
  4. He was genetically engineering various immune pathways (such as the STING pathway in bats) to make the bats more or less susceptible to infection, in the process potentially creating a highly resistant mutant superbug.
  5. As part of his studies, Peng also researched mutant Coronavirus strains that overcame the natural immunity of some bats; these are "superbug" Coronavirus strains, which are not resistant to any natural immune pathway, and now appear to be out in the wild.
  6. As of mid-November, his lab was actively hiring inexperienced post-docs to help conduct his research into super-Coronaviruses and bat infections.
  7. Peng's work on virology and bat immunology has received support from the National "You Qing" Fund, the pilot project of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and the major project of the Ministry of Science and Technology.

 

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that's a lot of tinfoil hat fodder though!  damn. detectives aren't supposed to believe in coincidences so i'm sure their radars are all going off somewhere. 

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Coronavirus needs a soundtrack

 

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If China were trying to create some horrible disease for some reason, they didn’t do a very good job.  Spreading some of the plague that they sometimes find in the western provinces would have done a lot more damage than this coronavirus.

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A new "superbug" shows up every what.. two years? Pretty much everytime it's overblown, news coverage designed for ratings to make you worry the next polio may be here, based off of relatively few deaths. Then as soon as it appeared it's gone from news coverage because ratings have started to go down and news cycles tend to drop things and never talk about them again if ratings are down.

There's a good chance that one day one of these superbugs is going to be very bad, but the coronavirus thus far? Malaria... 2-3 million people infected every year,  500,000 deaths a year. Kills thousands of children every day.  Even 20000 cases a year here in the USA. And that's just malaria. 

I bet this thing will for the most part disappear (from public consciousness) like ebola did in 2014. Then in 2022 when the budweiser superbug enters the news cycle, they'll talk about that on repeat, people will become worried, then after a bit it will die down. They've got it down to a science.

And by the way, if China feels like it needs to shut down transportation, then that is what China should do. What I'm saying is that as of 1/29/2020 99.9% of people shouldn't be worrying about the coronavirus. 

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Fifth case detected in France. Remember a week ago the speech of our beloved minister ? "Everything is in control and there is zero chance of contamination by this evil virus in beautiful France " lol 

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Any pathogen that is new to science, spreads easily human to human and kills hundreds of people within the first couple of weeks of knowing about it obviously newsworthy. It will stop being reported on if when it's effectively contained, or turns out to be not that bad. We're def still in the wait-and-see stage, hence the news coverage. If healthy 20-30 yr olds start dying then it will be fairly worrying.

I got aussie flu when that was doing the rounds in 2017. Looked it up back then, that particular strain of flu was new in the 60s and called Hong Kong flu at the time. Didn't know I had it and visited my family for xmas, 3 weeks later my grandpa was dead (he was in his 90s and frail, but still). Bad times

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Two flights to Japan have already landed in Tokyo. Three passengers have so far tested positive for the virus, Japanese media report


How many people on board these 2  flights? Maybe 400 max? I would say 3 (so far) is quite a high % and very worrying to show how far this thing is spreading!

 

Also... does this now mean that everyone else on those flights could potentially test positive in 2 weeks time?

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8 hours ago, Brisbot said:

There's a good chance that one day one of these superbugs is going to be very bad, but the coronavirus thus far? Malaria... 2-3 million people infected every year,  500,000 deaths a year. Kills thousands of children every day.  Even 20000 cases a year here in the USA. And that's just malaria. 

 

not a valid analogy because malaria can only spread via mosquito bites

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On 1/28/2020 at 4:36 PM, colunga said:

Just bought a ton of masks to sell for $29 each once things pop of here in NYC.  💰

Proper capitalist here.

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