Coronavirus COVID-19

[prdctvsm]

time 2 give yr dad a good ol' "ok, boomer", works a treat.

[Roo]

7 minutes ago, prdctvsm said:

time 2 give yr dad a good ol' "ok, boomer", works a treat.

More of a Gen Z style term that one. I'm a Gen Y thirtysomething, a bit too churlish for my tastes but I completely get it. A bubbly but stubborn nevermind is my go-to escape rope there.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Roo

[auxien]

2 hours ago, jules said:

Our government is arguing over how many billions of dollars to give to the airline industry right now

easy answer here: 0 billion. they deserve 0 billion.

 

2 hours ago, Mesh Gear Fox said:

well i woke up to construction noise next door for the first time in ages (they're building a small set of luxury flats). this is despite NSW prem saying only essential services will stay open come tuesday. not sure if this is them getting in one last drill or dig, or if this is now a thing (again). they're allowed to start at 7am, which is ridiculous imo.

my job is part of the construction business and they've just shut down non-essential businesses as of today in my state....we're being told that we're to stay open as part of the 'essential' classification. dunno who determines that or if my bosses are certain about that but it didn't sound like it, so i guess i may know more soon anyway. i'm able to work from home at least.

Edited March 23, 2020 by auxien

[markedone]

in Mexico they finally officially shut down bars cinemas and the like.. but it's certainly in in the 'spreading rapidly and about to explode' phase.

But hey we got an character on the job with a clever name.

Suasana Diastancia = "su sana" distancia == Your healthy distance

[psn]

 

[watmmisdead]

 

[zlemflolia]

corona has made me rethink not only my longterm financial portfolio allocation strategy, but it has made me apply that same form of thinking to the rest of life.  not only should we be financially stable, but we should be materially stable with physical assets to fall back on, like land and a house which is owned rather than rented, even if it's just a trailer you live in on a tiny sliver of land.  like social capital, the interactions and relationships you have with the people in your community who can hook you up with food if you get fucked.  and like longterm storage of medical supplies, as well as even personal medical knowledge. 

i feel like my education in the US was truly woefully lacking.  I actually don't know anything, I'm basically mentally degenerate and completely ignorant on pretty much every topic.  this is especially concerning because i actually have a pretty good education and always got a's and stuff, but in the end i am a fucking moron who doesn't even know how to grow a potato or rig up a water filtration system for your piss, or whatever other things preppers do

not only do I feel this should be applied on the individual but to the greater society.  if we're still using stupid metrics like stock market performance to judge economic health after we exit this crisis, it's going to not bode well for climate change readiness.  clearly we need smarter metrics being the primary health monitor, like how long each community in the country could isolate itself and be completely self sufficient for example.  why doesn't each neighborhood have its own communal garden to grow the majority of its food, which everyone takes turns taking care of or which is a group activity? this is like an enthusiast type thing but it should be a standard thing.  why doesn't everyone know a little bit of everything

ill end my rant here

Edited March 23, 2020 by Zeffolia

[Limo]

3 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

 

i feel like my education [...] was truly woefully lacking.  I actually don't know anything, I'm basically mentally degenerate and completely ignorant on pretty much every topic.

Wise words.

For all of us.

 

[goDel]

ehm, perhaps try a course on history. people knew a little bit of everything in the stone age. then, when cities started to form and people were able to plan and farm their food, specialisations emerged. and societies got better because of that. there won't be computers in a society where everyone has to know a bit of everything (and grow their own food). kinda surprised this isn't obvious, btw. you're essentially asking to reset the clock on humanity and go back to the stone age. i assume you're not even aware of the implications of doing so. you can basically kiss a lot of advances goodbye. take a good look at healthcare for instance. all highly specialised. all gone.

[Soloman Tump]

@ZeffoliaI have always believed that physical assets will outlive virtual assets. We are a growing global population with a shrinking physical planet (the UK is eroding into the sea!).

The online world will grow and be devalued. Owning property / land will become ever more valuable.

This is one reason who I hope to soon leave Oxfordshire... I can't afford anything here.

[zlemflolia]

23 minutes ago, goDel said:

ehm, perhaps try a course on history. people knew a little bit of everything in the stone age. then, when cities started to form and people were able to plan and farm their food, specialisations emerged. and societies got better because of that. there won't be computers in a society where everyone has to know a bit of everything (and grow their own food). kinda surprised this isn't obvious, btw. you're essentially asking to reset the clock on humanity and go back to the stone age. i assume you're not even aware of the implications of doing so. you can basically kiss a lot of advances goodbye. take a good look at healthcare for instance. all highly specialised. all gone.

i don't think you interpreted the intent of my post correctly.  i merely mean mixing some aspects of non-specialization back into society.  it doesn't mean removing specialization entirely.  the division of labor is what turns humans into cogs in machines, since labor is then merely refined down to become whatever is required to fill in the gaps between what the machines can do for us.  it alienates the laborer from their job and is soul destroying.  

we can merge technology and self sufficiently.  like ai-powered greenhouses which send you phone alerts when they detect your spinach is turning yellow.  this will help us maintain our efficiency but still let the individual take care of themselves more or less, as long as that AI software is free and open source and does not require internet, and can run on cheap smart phones connected to a basic wheeled robot to move around the camera.

11 minutes ago, Soloman Tump said:

@ZeffoliaI have always believed that physical assets will outlive virtual assets. We are a growing global population with a shrinking physical planet (the UK is eroding into the sea!).

The online world will grow and be devalued. Owning property / land will become ever more valuable.

This is one reason who I hope to soon leave Oxfordshire... I can't afford anything here.

youre right, but i think even this is too selfish - it's a "I want to claim my land first before it runs out" mentality.  I think we need to move more physical reality into communal ownership and communal shared maintenance

[chenGOD]

1 hour ago, Zeffolia said:

a house which is owned rather than rented

Umm weren't you saying you wanted to abolish all private ownership a few days ago?

[zlemflolia]

3 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Umm weren't you saying you wanted to abolish all private ownership a few days ago?

there's a difference between societal goals and individual goals.  we live under capitalism right now, no use pretending like we don't, that would be pretty dumb, even if you don't want to be.

plus, to reply to your point more specifically, owning a house and living in it is personal property, not private property.  it's private property when the landlord owns it.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Zeffolia

[iococoi]

 

[Thiefinger]

A great time for spring allergies. Totally not increasing paranoia. 

[ignatius]

18 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

there's a difference between societal goals and individual goals.  we live under capitalism right now, no use pretending like we don't, that would be pretty dumb, even if you don't want to be.

plus, to reply to your point more specifically, owning a house and living in it is personal property, not private property.  it's private property when the landlord owns it.

oof.  maybe i didn't read the rule book but that sounds like some serious hair splitting to me. 

there is certainly a difference between societal and individual goals here in America. in many places reconciling them is a real issue. many people are only aware of their individual goals. 

[chenGOD]

29 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

owning a house and living in it is personal property, it's private property when the landlord owns it.

Sorry but no: personal property is moveable - even in Marxist terms. Real estate is not moveable.

[zlemflolia]

29 minutes ago, ignatius said:

oof.  maybe i didn't read the rule book but that sounds like some serious hair splitting to me. 

there is certainly a difference between societal and individual goals here in America. in many places reconciling them is a real issue. many people are only aware of their individual goals. 

the bolded point is not hair splitting, it is integral to what private property means.  private property is property which is only attributable due to the threat of state violence enforcing the ownership dissimilarity across groups of people.  personal property however can be maintained by an individual, even created by an individual, and thus requires no violence to exist.  whereas private property requires violence, through the creation of economic conditions, once again under the threat of state violence to enforce said private property rights, to generate wage slaves to defend the privately owned building (one large enough to be considered private property, like an office building or factory) etc.

25 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Sorry but no: personal property is moveable - even in Marxist terms. Real estate is not moveable.

no, even from his own words in the most basic text

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

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We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man’s own labour, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity and independence. Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Zeffolia

[ignatius]

Multnomah Falls is a very accessible big pretty waterfall 30 minutes from portland. They’re closing the parking lot and the entire falls area which is 7 or 8 other falls because People aren’t social distancing.

 

[zkom]

Wondering now what I would have done if this virus had struck a year earlier when I was traveling homeless around Africa, Middle-East, Caucasus and Asia.. I guess I would have tried to find a place that is cheap to live and grants long term visas easily or don't have visa requirements for EU citizens and where I can remain indefinitely, like the French overseas territories. And then just basically waited. But yeah.. maybe I should make sure that anytime I go traveling like that I have enough money to last a few months if I get stuck somewhere for a longer time.

I probs should check on my friend who escaped the virus from Japan to French Polynesia..

[hijexx]

16 hours ago, milkface said:

Got a friend who now lives in Israel who told me that he went out for a walk yesterday afternoon and received a call from the police telling him to self isolate. They came to his flat the morning after to check whether he was in but he hasn't got the slightest clue how they were able to do that since he has a UK number right now. Can the police even see location services on phones?

Quick edit: It was 1 or 2 days after he came back to Israel from the UK so maybe something got flagged up and they called him to tell him to stay inside and the fact that he was on a walk was a coincidence?

Israel has unit 8200 and has one of the most advanced signals intelligence capabilities on the planet. A cell phone is basically a radio beacon with a GPS that people willingly carry around on their person at all times. Child's play to track.

[Rubin Farr]

NYC is now an epicenter:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-nyc-region-now-epicenter-114224000.html

[zkom]

2 minutes ago, hijexx said:

Israel has unit 8200 and has one of the most advanced signals intelligence capabilities on the planet. A cell phone is basically a radio beacon with a GPS that people willingly carry around on their person at all times. Child's play to track.

The cellphone network knows your approximate location all the time the phone is in the network even without GPS functionality. This is basically because the network needs to know into which network cell to forward your data and calls. It doesn't matter if you have foreign or native SIM or whatever. If you are just connected to the network then the location is known.

[hijexx]

6 minutes ago, zkom said:

The cellphone network knows your approximate location all the time the phone is in the network even without GPS functionality. This is basically because the network needs to know into which network cell to forward your data and calls. It doesn't matter if you have foreign or native SIM or whatever. If you are just connected to the network then the location is known.

I did not say GPS was required to track.

[manmower]