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12 minutes ago, jules said:

Our government is arguing over how many billions of dollars to give to the airline industry right now

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it’s a great system!

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4 hours ago, lyst said:

It's official my State OHIO has shut down all non-essential businesses and is mandating everyone "Stay At Home".  Not sure if this will affect me though as i'm in the concrete industry and i think construction is considered essential.

well i woke up to construction noise next door for the first time in ages (they're building a small set of luxury flats). this is despite NSW prem saying only essential services will stay open come tuesday. not sure if this is them getting in one last drill or dig, or if this is now a thing (again). they're allowed to start at 7am, which is ridiculous imo.

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35 minutes ago, Mesh Gear Fox said:

well i woke up to construction noise next door for the first time in ages (they're building a small set of luxury flats). this is despite NSW prem saying only essential services will stay open come tuesday. not sure if this is them getting in one last drill or dig, or if this is now a thing (again). they're allowed to start at 7am, which is ridiculous imo.

report those fucks. there's gotta be number you can call. 

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^ phone lines jammed, & govt. websites are down.

scomo has asked us all, " to pray" lol ffs.

tradies here too were bangin' away as per usual this morning, & the gym bros opp. my studio were doing their daily boof out, but in last half hour all've gone, so q as a mouse, big storm coming in too.

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1 hour ago, Mesh Gear Fox said:

well i woke up to construction noise next door for the first time in ages (they're building a small set of luxury flats). this is despite NSW prem saying only essential services will stay open come tuesday. not sure if this is them getting in one last drill or dig, or if this is now a thing (again). they're allowed to start at 7am, which is ridiculous imo.

The east coast of Australia is just full of facepalm. Secession has to be building its case for some other states right now.

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37 minutes ago, prdctvsm said:

^ phone lines jammed, & govt. websites are down.

scomo has asked us all, " to pray" lol ffs.

tradies here too were bangin' away as per usual this morning, & the gym bros opp. my studio were doing their daily boof out, but in last half hour all've gone, so q as a mouse, big storm coming in too.

if you run low on thoughts and prayers american can send you truck loads!

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Was talking on the phone to my Dad a few minutes ago and started to bring up the contextual power of the Bondi crowd image. He started to reply "I think they should let the crowds go to the beach. The saltwater will cleanse them"

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Fk me! Quickly made up an excuse that I was busy making lunch and had to go. Just couldn't keep talking to a comment like that.

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time 2 give yr dad a good ol' "ok, boomer", works a treat.

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7 minutes ago, prdctvsm said:

time 2 give yr dad a good ol' "ok, boomer", works a treat.

More of a Gen Z style term that one. I'm a Gen Y thirtysomething, a bit too churlish for my tastes but I completely get it. A bubbly but stubborn nevermind is my go-to escape rope there.

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2 hours ago, jules said:

Our government is arguing over how many billions of dollars to give to the airline industry right now

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easy answer here: 0 billion. they deserve 0 billion.

 

2 hours ago, Mesh Gear Fox said:

well i woke up to construction noise next door for the first time in ages (they're building a small set of luxury flats). this is despite NSW prem saying only essential services will stay open come tuesday. not sure if this is them getting in one last drill or dig, or if this is now a thing (again). they're allowed to start at 7am, which is ridiculous imo.

my job is part of the construction business and they've just shut down non-essential businesses as of today in my state....we're being told that we're to stay open as part of the 'essential' classification. dunno who determines that or if my bosses are certain about that but it didn't sound like it, so i guess i may know more soon anyway. i'm able to work from home at least.

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2 hours ago, ignatius said:

report those fucks. there's gotta be number you can call. 

i don't think you understand how not seriously australians are taking this

technically the shutdown starts on wednesday, and even then knowing our pro developer tory state gov they are probably letting construction sites stay open, because developer scum convince them they are 'essential'

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in Mexico they finally officially shut down bars cinemas and the like.. but it's certainly in in the 'spreading rapidly and about to explode' phase.

But hey we got an character on the job with a clever name.

Suasana Diastancia = "su sana" distancia == Your healthy distance

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corona has made me rethink not only my longterm financial portfolio allocation strategy, but it has made me apply that same form of thinking to the rest of life.  not only should we be financially stable, but we should be materially stable with physical assets to fall back on, like land and a house which is owned rather than rented, even if it's just a trailer you live in on a tiny sliver of land.  like social capital, the interactions and relationships you have with the people in your community who can hook you up with food if you get fucked.  and like longterm storage of medical supplies, as well as even personal medical knowledge. 

i feel like my education in the US was truly woefully lacking.  I actually don't know anything, I'm basically mentally degenerate and completely ignorant on pretty much every topic.  this is especially concerning because i actually have a pretty good education and always got a's and stuff, but in the end i am a fucking moron who doesn't even know how to grow a potato or rig up a water filtration system for your piss, or whatever other things preppers do

not only do I feel this should be applied on the individual but to the greater society.  if we're still using stupid metrics like stock market performance to judge economic health after we exit this crisis, it's going to not bode well for climate change readiness.  clearly we need smarter metrics being the primary health monitor, like how long each community in the country could isolate itself and be completely self sufficient for example.  why doesn't each neighborhood have its own communal garden to grow the majority of its food, which everyone takes turns taking care of or which is a group activity? this is like an enthusiast type thing but it should be a standard thing.  why doesn't everyone know a little bit of everything

ill end my rant here

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3 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

 

i feel like my education [...] was truly woefully lacking.  I actually don't know anything, I'm basically mentally degenerate and completely ignorant on pretty much every topic.

Wise words.

For all of us.

 

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ehm, perhaps try a course on history. people knew a little bit of everything in the stone age. then, when cities started to form and people were able to plan and farm their food, specialisations emerged. and societies got better because of that. there won't be computers in a society where everyone has to know a bit of everything (and grow their own food). kinda surprised this isn't obvious, btw. you're essentially asking to reset the clock on humanity and go back to the stone age. i assume you're not even aware of the implications of doing so. you can basically kiss a lot of advances goodbye. take a good look at healthcare for instance. all highly specialised. all gone.

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@ZeffoliaI have always believed that physical assets will outlive virtual assets. We are a growing global population with a shrinking physical planet (the UK is eroding into the sea!).

The online world will grow and be devalued. Owning property / land will become ever more valuable.

This is one reason who I hope to soon leave Oxfordshire... I can't afford anything here.

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23 minutes ago, goDel said:

ehm, perhaps try a course on history. people knew a little bit of everything in the stone age. then, when cities started to form and people were able to plan and farm their food, specialisations emerged. and societies got better because of that. there won't be computers in a society where everyone has to know a bit of everything (and grow their own food). kinda surprised this isn't obvious, btw. you're essentially asking to reset the clock on humanity and go back to the stone age. i assume you're not even aware of the implications of doing so. you can basically kiss a lot of advances goodbye. take a good look at healthcare for instance. all highly specialised. all gone.

i don't think you interpreted the intent of my post correctly.  i merely mean mixing some aspects of non-specialization back into society.  it doesn't mean removing specialization entirely.  the division of labor is what turns humans into cogs in machines, since labor is then merely refined down to become whatever is required to fill in the gaps between what the machines can do for us.  it alienates the laborer from their job and is soul destroying.  

we can merge technology and self sufficiently.  like ai-powered greenhouses which send you phone alerts when they detect your spinach is turning yellow.  this will help us maintain our efficiency but still let the individual take care of themselves more or less, as long as that AI software is free and open source and does not require internet, and can run on cheap smart phones connected to a basic wheeled robot to move around the camera.

11 minutes ago, Soloman Tump said:

@ZeffoliaI have always believed that physical assets will outlive virtual assets. We are a growing global population with a shrinking physical planet (the UK is eroding into the sea!).

The online world will grow and be devalued. Owning property / land will become ever more valuable.

This is one reason who I hope to soon leave Oxfordshire... I can't afford anything here.

youre right, but i think even this is too selfish - it's a "I want to claim my land first before it runs out" mentality.  I think we need to move more physical reality into communal ownership and communal shared maintenance

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italy reporting less new cases and new deaths on march 22 compared to march 21. so for at least one day the growth in numbers has slowed. let's hope this continues.

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1 hour ago, Zeffolia said:

a house which is owned rather than rented

Umm weren't you saying you wanted to abolish all private ownership a few days ago?

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3 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Umm weren't you saying you wanted to abolish all private ownership a few days ago?

there's a difference between societal goals and individual goals.  we live under capitalism right now, no use pretending like we don't, that would be pretty dumb, even if you don't want to be.

plus, to reply to your point more specifically, owning a house and living in it is personal property, not private property.  it's private property when the landlord owns it.

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A great time for spring allergies. Totally not increasing paranoia. 

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18 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

there's a difference between societal goals and individual goals.  we live under capitalism right now, no use pretending like we don't, that would be pretty dumb, even if you don't want to be.

plus, to reply to your point more specifically, owning a house and living in it is personal property, not private property.  it's private property when the landlord owns it.

oof.  maybe i didn't read the rule book but that sounds like some serious hair splitting to me. 

there is certainly a difference between societal and individual goals here in America. in many places reconciling them is a real issue. many people are only aware of their individual goals. 

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