How does the World view China these days?

[zlemflolia]

7 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Lol you know the North Koreans started the war right?

It's 15% of the population. CCP families get more family members promoted. So I strongly doubt that it would be that simple.

unfortunately the north failed to liberate the south from the grip of capitalism

[chenGOD]

Yes the North Koreans living such a wonderful life under juche. Dude, go look up Alejandro Cao de Benos.

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28 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Yes the North Koreans living such a wonderful life under juche. Dude, go look up Alejandro Cao de Benos.

the conditions of north koreans have less to do with juche and more to do with crippling US economic sanctions

30 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Yes the North Koreans living such a wonderful life under juche. Dude, go look up Alejandro Cao de Benos.

what about him?

[chenGOD]

12 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

41 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Yes the North Koreans living such a wonderful life under juche. Dude, go look up Alejandro Cao de Benos.

the conditions of north koreans have less to do with juche and more to do with crippling US economic sanctions

41 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Yes the North Koreans living such a wonderful life under juche. Dude, go look up Alejandro Cao de Benos.

what about him?

The conditions of the North Koreans have everything to do with juche. Their economic downturn started long before the US sanctioned them. Their famie periods happened before sanctions were in place.

Go look him up. You're exactly like him.

[ignatius]

51 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

unfortunately the north failed to liberate the south from the grip of capitalism

there's till time. the war hasn't officially ended.  

i've seen every episode of M*A*S*H*  

 

[zlemflolia]

3 hours ago, chenGOD said:

Lol you know the North Koreans started the war right?

>they started the war so it's okay we genocided them, destroyed all of their major cities, destroyed their entire industrial capacity and public health infrastructure, etc.

the absolute state of late stage imperialist apologists

[chenGOD]

Genocide? Ummm not by any definition. 
 

Plenty of South Korea was destroyed as well. Ironically, the Chinese are largely responsible for the continuation of the war. After the North’s initial success, the war was almost over when the UN forces landed at Inchon, and severed KPA supply lines. The Chinese then intervened and again pushed back the UN/South Korean forces to the DMZ, where they fought back and forth for 2 years. 
 

It was a bloody, pointless war, initiated by the North and prolonged by the Chinese. So your charge of apologism rings pretty hollow. 

[Hugh Mughnus]

Your rational speaking and accurate recital of history has no value here filthy capitalist apologist Chen 

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1 hour ago, chenGOD said:

Genocide? Ummm not by any definition. 
 

Plenty of South Korea was destroyed as well. Ironically, the Chinese are largely responsible for the continuation of the war. After the North’s initial success, the war was almost over when the UN forces landed at Inchon, and severed KPA supply lines. The Chinese then intervened and again pushed back the UN/South Korean forces to the DMZ, where they fought back and forth for 2 years. 
 

It was a bloody, pointless war, initiated by the North and prolonged by the Chinese. So your charge of apologism rings pretty hollow. 

"initiated by the North and prolonged by the Chinese" is just a good way to blame the victims of this war for the literal destruction of almost all the buildings in all of the major North Korean cities and the innocent civilian deaths it caused.  absolutely disgusting and not unexpected from imperialist apologists

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[zlemflolia]

43 minutes ago, Hugh Mughnus said:

Your rational speaking and accurate recital of history has no value here filthy capitalist apologist Chen 

the word rational has almost no meaning in your usage here

Just now, Hugh Mughnus said:

There’s something wrong with you

yes there's something wrong with me for being opposed to the destruction caused by US and NATO allies worldwide and for being on the side of the people. scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds

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[zlemflolia]

5 minutes ago, Hugh Mughnus said:

You’re demonstrating borderline manic tendencies is all.

I'm sure you are a professional psychologist who is capable of making such a determination as well

>destruction of almost all infrastructure and countless cultural heritage sites in North Korea

>murder of over a million North Koreans, most of which were civilians

>not genocide

 

>destruction of some dilapidated mosques in xinjiang to be rebuilt for public safety purposes

>genocide

Edited April 13, 2021 by cyanobacteria

[usagi]

China gay

[zlemflolia]

Just now, Hugh Mughnus said:

You don’t need to be a professional psychologist to be able to recognize that someone is unhealthily obsessive about a given subject/item etc.

This is the China discussion thread it'd be great if you could take this to a special "Discussion of cyanobacteria's psychology" thread

[Braintree]

And how their interpretation of that subject is out of sync with reality...

[chenGOD]

4 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

the victims of this war

Who started the war? The victims are the innocent civilians - that never would have been put in such grave danger if Kim Il Sung Wasn't so desperate to prove his legitimacy to the North Koreans, and more importantly to Stalin.

And to bring it back on track for China, here is something written by an absolute fucking idiot on why China entered the war in the first place.

 

Mao's Entry into the Korean War (for watmm).pdf

11 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

being on the side of the people

If you were truly on the side of the people, you would express anger at the North Korean for initiating the conflict in the first place, not the expected response at the time given the state of international affairs.

[zlemflolia]

2 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Who started the war? The victims are the innocent civilians - that never would have been put in such grave danger if Kim Il Sung Wasn't so desperate to prove his legitimacy to the North Koreans, and more importantly to Stalin.

And to bring it back on track for China, here is something written by an absolute fucking idiot on why China entered the war in the first place.

 

Mao's Entry into the Korean War (for watmm).pdf 228.83 kB · 0 downloads

>the united state's bombing campaigns are actually kim il sung's and stalin's fault, they literally helped the US build the bombs and forced them to drop them all over north korea

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[Alcofribas]

8 minutes ago, usagi said:

China gay

 

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8 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

 

If you were truly on the side of the people, you would express anger at the North Korean for initiating the conflict in the first place, not the expected response at the time given the state of international affairs.

"they brought the US's bombing campaign upon themselves, the US was forced to act and has no responsibility for its actions anywhere in the world, it's the fault of the leaders of the people they bomb"

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[zkom]

14 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

is the coolaid more or less tasty than US apologism?

If you're seriously asking if I prefer US over North Korea then absolutely fucking yes lol

Are you going to start defending Nazi Germany next because they also fought US and had socialism in the name of their party?

[chenGOD]

1 hour ago, cyanobacteria said:

"they brought the US's bombing campaign upon themselves, the US was forced to act and has no responsibility for its actions anywhere in the world, it's the fault of the leaders of the people they bomb"

see, no argument in good faith. "US bad, north korea innocent". If you truly believe the North Korean leaders bear no culpability, there's no point in having a discussion.

The only reason China didn't do the same is because they physically couldn't: https://journals.lib.unb.ca/index.php/jcs/article/view/368/582

That was war at the time.

[zlemflolia]

7 hours ago, zkom said:

If you're seriously asking if I prefer US over North Korea then absolutely fucking yes lol

Are you going to start defending Nazi Germany next because they also fought US and had socialism in the name of their party?

north korea has hurt significantly less people than the US.  of course it's better for a person to live in the US than north korea

as for that last sentence, I'm going to pretend like you didn't write something that absurd and disgusting

[zlemflolia]

6 hours ago, chenGOD said:

see, no argument in good faith. "US bad, north korea innocent". If you truly believe the North Korean leaders bear no culpability, there's no point in having a discussion.

The only reason China didn't do the same is because they physically couldn't: https://journals.lib.unb.ca/index.php/jcs/article/view/368/582

That was war at the time.

never said that.  but liberals tend to refuse to ever hold the US responsible for literally bombing the country into the fucking stone age, it's fucking absurd and complertely white chauvinistic

if china did right now what the US did to NK everyone would call it a genocide

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[Limo]

9 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

if china did right now what the US did to NK everyone would call it a genocide

The Korean War got pretty brutal, but genocide is a pretty specific thing: mass murder with intent to eradicate a people. The North Korean government that the US would have liked to eradicate was not a people and slaughtering civilians by itself is not mass murder with intent to eradicate.

Similarly, the horrible things the North Korean government is doing to North Koreans - enslaving them, starving them, sending them out to forced labor camps in Siberia, etc - aren't genocide just really serious human rights abuses that make whatever the US justice system does to Black people look like kindergarten in comparison. It does not want to eradicate its own people, after all.

By the same logic, proving that China is engaging in genocide in Xinjiang is going to be very difficult, as there most likely isn't any executive order or even desire to *eradicate* the Uyghurs - just to *pacify* them, which is something different (although, if you end up on the wrong end of the pacifying stick the results may very well be the same).

This is why, when Canada and The Netherlands and maybe some others decided to make show about condemning the Chinese government for genocide people who were experts on this sort of thing said that was a very dumb thing to do. It's much easier to drag someone to court for human rights abuses as that only requires you to show the effects a policy has. For genocide you need to prove *intent*.

[ignatius]

10 minutes ago, rhmilo said:

just to *pacify*

also assimilate. everyone needs to be on board or they can't be controlled as easily. 

[chenGOD]

37 minutes ago, rhmilo said:

There most likely isn't any executive order or even desire to *eradicate* the Uyghurs

Yes so far the executive orders have just been about detention.