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they were previously uneducated and heavily oppressed peasants and workers. even the cpc disapproves nowadays. and calling a ban on video games, which is really just putting video games into the hands of parents (whether they want to give an account in their name) a cultural revolution is a bit hilarious

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10 hours ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

they were previously uneducated and heavily oppressed peasants and workers. even the cpc disapproves nowadays. and calling a ban on video games, which is really just putting video games into the hands of parents (whether they want to give an account in their name) a cultural revolution is a bit hilarious

Context was:

"Ultra-Nationalism pose itself as cultural preservation but i think that it is more alike to cultural self-destruction."

But while banning playtime for video games is obviously not a cultural revolution, there are certain elements of Xi's policies that hearken back to the Cultural Revolution. Like banning English education in Shanghai, the introduction of Xi Jinping thought as a mandatory subject, the purging of high-ranking members of society and the party to bring "capitalism" back in line etc. Under Xi, there has been a crackdown on academia as well (just the like the good old days).

With respect to video games, the aforementioned agency, the NPPA, is is China’s primary regulator of its online game industry, and part of its mandate is to block the publication of any game that is vulgar, low brow, kitsch or otherwise in violation of “core socialist values” (note that what constitutes a violation of core socialist values is not clearly laid out, leaving plenty of room to block games for whatever reason). This is just part of Xi's longstanding war on culture (and in this speech from 2014, he discusses the need for patriotic art and the need for greater control of new art forms) and is very reminiscent of what happened to the arts and culture in the actual cultural revolution.

As well, while Deng Xiaoping and Hu Jintao had no problems criticizing the Cultural Revolution, Xi has been reluctant to do so. He recently did criticize it in a very oblique fashion, but Xi is obviously reluctant to "throw shade" on Mao, as he wants to compare himself favourably to Mao (who is very popular among Chinese youth). So all that to say, while a ban on young people playing video games in and of itself is certainly not a neo-cultural revolution, when taken in the broader context, it is one part of a slow burning trend to reimagine China domestically in service of the Party.

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39 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Context was:

"Ultra-Nationalism pose itself as cultural preservation but i think that it is more alike to cultural self-destruction."

But while banning playtime for video games is obviously not a cultural revolution, there are certain elements of Xi's policies that hearken back to the Cultural Revolution. Like banning English education in Shanghai, the introduction of Xi Jinping thought as a mandatory subject, the purging of high-ranking members of society and the party to bring "capitalism" back in line etc. Under Xi, there has been a crackdown on academia as well (just the like the good old days).

With respect to video games, the aforementioned agency, the NPPA, is is China’s primary regulator of its online game industry, and part of its mandate is to block the publication of any game that is vulgar, low brow, kitsch or otherwise in violation of “core socialist values” (note that what constitutes a violation of core socialist values is not clearly laid out, leaving plenty of room to block games for whatever reason). This is just part of Xi's longstanding war on culture (and in this speech from 2014, he discusses the need for patriotic art and the need for greater control of new art forms) and is very reminiscent of what happened to the arts and culture in the actual cultural revolution.

As well, while Deng Xiaoping and Hu Jintao had no problems criticizing the Cultural Revolution, Xi has been reluctant to do so. He recently did criticize it in a very oblique fashion, but Xi is obviously reluctant to "throw shade" on Mao, as he wants to compare himself favourably to Mao (who is very popular among Chinese youth). So all that to say, while a ban on young people playing video games in and of itself is certainly not a neo-cultural revolution, when taken in the broader context, it is one part of a slow burning trend to reimagine China domestically in service of the Party.

If Xi Jinping thought is what is being used in China, it's good that it's a "mandatory subject".  It would be great if "global imperialist totalitarianism" was a subject in the US or "imperial military client state" was a subject in other places, but this type of self reflection and self explanation is not present

Reimagine China domestically in service of the party, interesting, considering the party consists of millions of Chinese people

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5 hours ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

If Xi Jinping thought is what is being used in China, it's good that it's a "mandatory subject".  It would be great if "global imperialist totalitarianism" was a subject in the US or "imperial military client state" was a subject in other places, but this type of self reflection and self explanation is not present

Reimagine China domestically in service of the party, interesting, considering the party consists of millions of Chinese people

“China good, US bad”

”party is all, party loves you”

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1 hour ago, chenGOD said:

 

Exhibit 4

 

some hardcore stuff in that list. this one in particular caught my eye - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre

hannibal lecter seal of approval right there -

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In 1968, 38 people in Wuxuan County were eaten, and 113 officials of the county participated in eating human flesh, hearts and livers. Chen Guorong (陈国荣), a peasant from Guigang County who happened to pass by Wuxuan, was caught and killed by local militia because he was fat; his heart and liver were taken out while his flesh was distributed to 20 people. A female militia leader ate 6 human livers in total, and cut the genitals of 5 men and soaked them in alcohol which she would drink later, claiming that these organs were beneficial to her health. The behavior of eating human flesh, hearts and livers occurred in many counties of Guangxi including Wuxuan, Wuming, Shangsi, Guigang, Qinzhou, Guiping, and Lingyun ... After the revolutionary committee was established in Shangsi County, a "killing conference" was held at Pingshan Square (平山广场) on September 1, 1968, during which more than 10 officials and civilians were beaten to death. After the conference, a committee member, Li Hao (黎郝), removed the hearts and livers from the corpses, sauteing them and preparing them as dishes for other representatives who attended the conference.

 

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18 minutes ago, zero said:

some hardcore stuff in that list. this one in particular caught my eye - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre

hannibal lecter seal of approval right there -

 

From that Wikipedia article, a quote by someone who lived through the Cultural Revolution:

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 "I am pessimistic about humanity and pessimistic about humans. Because we have been through the Cultural Revolution, we have become very alert. I am very alert, alert like a peacock. Be careful, because humans are the most horrible animals, 

If you consider the horrors everyone in mainland China who is older than 40 has gone through a lot more about the country makes sense. From the absolutely vicious behavior when queuing by way of the completely obscene obsession with material goods to the stupendously dark world view that shrugs off internment and worse of millions of Uighurs and Tibetans: it all makes much more sense if you remember this  society has had just about the worst imaginable atrocities possible inflicted upon it within living memory and that with hardly any of the perpetrators being held to account for it.

 

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China's broadcasting regulator has said it will ban "effeminate" aesthetics in entertainment shows and that "vulgar influencers" should be avoided.

It's part of a tightening of rules over what it described as "unhealthy content" in programmes.

The National Radio and Television Administration (NRTA) said political and moral conduct should be included as criteria in the selection of actors.

Certain talent contest show formats have also been stopped.

The television regulator also ordered broadcasters to rein in high salaries paid to stars and clamp down on tax evaders.

The authorities pledged to promote what it defined as more masculine images of men and criticised male celebrities who use lots of make up.

 

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2 hours ago, rhmilo said:

 

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 "I am pessimistic about humanity and pessimistic about humans. Because we have been through the Cultural Revolution, we have become very alert. I am very alert, alert like a peacock. Be careful, because humans are the most horrible animals, 

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1 hour ago, Squee said:

lol

i'm sure there are already Chinese Chad vs virgin American girlyboy memes

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7 hours ago, rhmilo said:
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 "I am pessimistic about humanity and pessimistic about humans. Because we have been through the Cultural Revolution, we have become very alert. I am very alert, alert like a peacock. Be careful, because humans are the most horrible animals

 

5 hours ago, auxien said:

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While we should be cautious about survivor or defector narratives, we can’t always dismiss them out of hand. Not knowing anything about this particular quote or survivor, it’s hard to say, but humans are the most horrible animals. 

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2 hours ago, chenGOD said:

While we should be cautious about survivor or defector narratives, we can’t always dismiss them out of hand.

The horrors of the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward before it are *very* well attested. Hundreds of thousands of eyewitness accounts exist and they’re even studied (and acknowledged) by official Chinese historians.

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1 hour ago, rhmilo said:

The horrors of the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward before it are *very* well attested. Hundreds of thousands of eyewitness accounts exist and they’re even studied (and acknowledged) by official Chinese historians.

that's what I said...

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2 hours ago, rhmilo said:

Must be me, then. I read it as much more hesitant than the evidence warrants, sorry.

Nah, re-reading my statement I was being pretty obtuse. No apologies necessary, eh.

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On 9/3/2021 at 1:48 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

China is clearly better than the US lol, where is the decades long history of mass murder and genocide done by China like by the US?

 

China is a brutal dictatorship. I think thats difficult to deny that. USA can be a shitty murderous state as well, but it doesnt change this fact.

Man, i just wished my chinese brothers and sisters could enjoy basic human rights man, you know? basic things. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of press. Fair trial, no torture. Right to protest. Right for democracy.

It's just a shame paranoid idealogy-drunk political leaders and parties still will ruin countless lives in the name of their dogmas...

 

 

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On 9/3/2021 at 10:48 AM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

China is clearly better than the US lol, where is the decades long history of mass murder and genocide done by China like by the US?

give them time. but yeah..  USA's 400 years of slavery is hard to top. not to mention all the global 'outreach'. china's hands aren't clean though.. i doubt many if any country has clean hands. 

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On 9/3/2021 at 4:35 PM, rhmilo said:

From that Wikipedia article, a quote by someone who lived through the Cultural Revolution:

If you consider the horrors everyone in mainland China who is older than 40 has gone through a lot more about the country makes sense. From the absolutely vicious behavior when queuing by way of the completely obscene obsession with material goods to the stupendously dark world view that shrugs off internment and worse of millions of Uighurs and Tibetans: it all makes much more sense if you remember this  society has had just about the worst imaginable atrocities possible inflicted upon it within living memory and that with hardly any of the perpetrators being held to account for it.

 

Don’t forget the US nuked Japan twice, that’s pretty horrific. 

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4 hours ago, ignatius said:

USA's 400 years of slavery is hard to top.

Good point. And as usual, what makes China worse isn’t so much the horrors themselves but the scale at which they happen. In China everything is always larger and involves an order of magnitude more people.

46 minutes ago, Rubin Farr said:

Don’t forget the US nuked Japan twice, that’s pretty horrific. 

Yup. Extremely callous. I was surprised to learn, however, that that was nowhere near the worst thing the US did to Japan:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

Japan had been so thoroughly brutalized by august 1945 the nukes aren’t mentioned at all in the meeting notes of the Japanese cabinet for when they were discussing whether to surrender or not.

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I forget his name but the general who ran the air campaign against Japan said (paraphrasing) “either we win this war or we’re all war criminals for doing this” when discussing the fire bombings of Japanese cities which were all made of wood. I forget the numbers but something like 80,000 civilians were killed each time we dropped incendiary bombs on a Japanese city.

There were atrocities on all sides. There’s pictures of Japanese soldiers with babies on bayonets. The rape of Nanking. And on and on it went. WW2 is often referred to as the good war and it’s just fucking stupid.

About 3:30 into it he gets into something relevant here




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yet the Japanese are not afflicted with the kind of callous disregard for life that Chinese living under CCP rule are (speaking in general terms), in spite of being subjected to atrocities as well in recent history. solely attributing the social/ethical disposition of Chinese mainlanders to the horrors they've experienced in recent times would be a mistake. I'm sure it's got partly to do with it (brutality can certainly create inhumanity in its victims), but it also has a lot to do with the system of beliefs that's been forced upon them.

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cummunism

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and before there are whataboutist rebuttals about how capitalism also engenders disregard for life: yes, of course it does. however general democratic principles/values which co-exist uneasily at present with capitalist greed tend to moderate it somewhat to encourage more value to be placed on human life, at least in terms of public sentiment. definitely more than in a cummunist authoritarian regime where the individual is brainwashed into rejecting any notion of individual value that would undermine collective power.

 

 

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