How does the World view China these days?

[Braintree]

Just now, cyanobacteria said:

im not a psyop im literaly just some autist

Exactly what a CIA plant would say.

[Limo]

9 minutes ago, dingformung said:

Every sane person wants real communism.

Every sane person wants to lay around in a blissed out stupor.

[dingformung]

That too, from time to time. And other than that, hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic. 

[Limo]

Just now, dingformung said:

And other than that, hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic. 

Exactly.

[zero]

20 minutes ago, Braintree said:

Zeff is a psyop, guys. The walls have ears.

well I'd say it's definitely working because now I hate communism more than ever thanks to him dragging this bullshit into every fucking thread on here

[chenGOD]

24 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

mussolini was a creation of the bourgeoisie.  indeed it could be said any individual capitalist must not overstep their boundaries because it is the bourgeois class itself being prioritized

i like this https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/404273.Blackshirts_and_Reds

Mussolini was not a creation of the bourgeoisie. Your lack of history is showing. 
 

The guy who wrote that book you recommended defended Milosevic. Should tell you all you need to know. 

[Cryptowen]

born too late to take part in archaic hunter-gatherer resource sharing society

born too early to take part in fully automated luxury communism

born just in time to help get famous ppl banned from twitter

[chenGOD]

7 minutes ago, dingformung said:

That too, from time to time. And other than that, hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic. 

You forgot to leave in the most significant chunk of time in the modern world: handing out (in secrete). 

[zlemflolia]

5 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Mussolini was not a creation of the bourgeoisie. Your lack of history is showing. 
 

The guy who wrote that book you recommended defended Milosevic. Should tell you all you need to know. 

he was funded and supported by capitalists

i suppose you prefer if he defended NATO?

[chenGOD]

Mussolini was installed as PM by the king, used his political power to destroy political enemies and then consolidated wealth and power to his own personal benefit. In a nutshell. So yeah, as I said, the bourgeoisie may benefit under fascism, but they cannot step out of line. 
 

I would prefer he didn’t defend a war criminal/genocidal maniac.

[Alcofribas]

China. What’s going on with this place? 500 million people live there but the only foreigners to visit are diplomats and people who “taught English” for a year and wanted to travel. In China they eat pigs whole, sometimes raw which is called “street food” but the rich prepare them via “bbq.” They birthed many philosophies having to do with men who said obscure stuff like “the way is no way but way” and for millennia people have thought about this, often marvel king at how cool it is. Ages ago they erected a wall which for some reason is one of their signature structures. A wall. M8, I got walls all over my apartment you don’t see me taking pictures of them and posting them online calling them “great.” I believe karate is from here, or at least taekwando or whatever the fuck. For millions of years everyone in China was a “peasant.” Then mao came up with this idea of having his face on posters and saying he was the will of the people. He too wrote obscure shit in a little book. I guess the Chinese love this sort of thing. He was a “communist” but he also just wiped out everyone who he didn’t like and his wife kind of went wild just locking people up, torturing women she thought were bitches and basically just doing a bunch of highly serious operas. Everyone thought this was cool. But then they came out with some other guy and he said let’s have some democracy but instantly regretted this so he sent the army to wipe out a bunch of students. Then China decided to make every object in the world which they are still doing. Absolutely mental. Not sure how they are even doing this. For some reason they love American movies and every stupid Hollywood movie makes like a billion dollars in China. This is bc they’re communists. They’re also socialists which is cool, they’re big “bernie bros” there and they spent a lot of time online making neera tanden super mad. Anyway that’s what I know about this place, much to discover for me. China, a land of contrasts. 

[prdctvsm]

 

[ambermonk]

I still remember Christmas 2005 when my grandma got a Chinese opera DVD for my Japanese sister-in-law as a gift. But I can't remember if we laughed in front of my grandma or not.

[ARPA]

I love my Huawei phone.
Also this:

 

[zlemflolia]

UN report refuting Xinjiang genocide theory

https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17

[dingformung]

Quote

_{Annex to the letter dated 12 July 2019 from the representatives of Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, the Plurinational State of Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Comoros, the Congo, Cuba, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Gabon, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, the Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, the Philippines, the Russian Federation, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Somalia, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, the Sudan, the Syrian Arab Republic, Tajikistan, Togo, Turkmenistan, Uganda, the United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe and the State of Palestine to the United Nations Office at Geneva addressed to the President of the Human Rights Council}

 

Mr. President, Madam High Commissioner,

We, the co-signatories to this letter, reiterate that the work of the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) should be conducted in an objective, transparent, nonselective, constructive, non-confrontational and non-politicized manner. We express our firm opposition to relevant countries’ practice of politicizing human rights issues, by naming and shaming, and publicly exerting pressures on other countries.

We commend China’s remarkable achievements in the field of human rights by adhering to the people-centered development philosophy and protecting and promoting human rights through development. We also appreciate China’s contributions to the international human rights cause.

We take note that terrorism, separatism and religious extremism has caused enormous damage to people of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang, which has seriously infringed upon human rights, including right to life, health and development. Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centers. Now safety and security has returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there are safeguarded. The past three consecutive years has seen not a single terrorist attack in Xinjiang and people there enjoy a stronger sense of happiness, fulfillment and security. We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counter-terrorism and deradicalization.

We appreciate China’s commitment to openness and transparency. China has invited a number of diplomats, international organizations officials and journalist to Xinjiang to witness the progress of the human rights cause and the outcomes of counter-terrorism and deradicalization there. What they saw and heard in Xinjiang completely contradicted what was reported in the media. We call on relevant countries to refrain from employing unfounded charges against China based on unconfirmed information before they visit Xinjiang. We urge the OHCHR, Treaty Bodies and relevant Special Procedures mandate holders to conduct their work in an objective and impartial manner according to their mandate and with true and genuinely credible information, and value the communication with member states.

We request that this letter be recorded as an official document of the 41st session of the Human Rights Council and that it be published on the OHCHR website.

49 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

UN report refuting Xinjiang genocide theory

https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17

How does that refute anything? It's just baseless claims. Countries like Belarus, North Korea and South Sudan signed a letter in which they praise China for its achievements in the field of human rights and shrug off putting the Uyghurs into internment camps as a necessary antiterrorism measure. That doesn't prove anything.

What about this letter moved you to type "UN report refuting Xinjiang genocide theory"? That's clearly very misleading and not at all what the document is. I wonder if you missed that or if you were intentionally misleading

[zlemflolia]

its clearly a refutation, whether its a true valid and sufficient one is whats up for discussion

[Limo]

You will note the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) is not normally considered to be an authority on human rights issues.

[chenGOD]

14 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

UN report refuting Xinjiang genocide theory

https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17

That’s a letter to the UN, it’s not a refutation of any kind. 

[chenGOD]

Proof that Santa Claus exists:

https://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/12/21/Barack-Obamas-Letter-to-Santa

[Limo]

There was an interesting article in a Dutch newspaper his morning arguing that trying to pin genocide on China, as the Dutch parliament did this week, is likely a losing strategy as genocide involves intent and that is notoriously difficult to prove. “Extensive human rights  abuses” are much easier to establish and likely already clear cut for what China is doing in Xinjiang.

Anyway, none of it really matters because China isn’t party to the Rome Statute that makes it possible to take a country to the International Criminal Court.

 

[chenGOD]

44 minutes ago, rhmilo said:

There was an interesting article in a Dutch newspaper his morning arguing that trying to pin genocide on China, as the Dutch parliament did this week, is likely a losing strategy as genocide involves intent and that is notoriously difficult to prove. “Extensive human rights  abuses” are much easier to establish and likely already clear cut for what China is doing in Xinjiang.

Anyway, none of it really matters because China isn’t party to the Rome Statute that makes it possible to take a country to the International Criminal Court.

 

Yes the mental element is difficult to prove for sure - there needs to be access to records, communications, etc etc. To be honest, I'm very surprised that Canada took the stance we did, and I fear for my friend being held in China.

I wonder how zeff would feel if a similar letter had been written about US activities at Guantanamo.

[Limo]

12 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

To be honest, I'm very surprised that Canada took the stance we did, and I fear for my friend being held in China.

Yeah, I don't see the point. On the other hand, Canada is already on China's shitlist* because of that stunt with the Huawei woman, so maybe they figured they couldn't make things any worse. Sucks for Canadians in China, though. Hope things turn out ok for your friend.

 

* I wonder ... does that make China the first country in history that actually hates Canada? Everyone else loves them!

[chenGOD]

33 minutes ago, rhmilo said:

Canada is already on China's shitlist* because of that stunt with the Huawei woman, so maybe they figured they couldn't make things any worse. Sucks for Canadians in China, though. Hope things turn out ok for your friend.

Yeah my friend is one of the two being held in retaliation for the arrest of Meng. So I worry that China might drum up more charges and give them both the death sentence.

[chenGOD]

Beijing to HK loyalists: let's show you what authoritarianism is all about.