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19 hours ago, pizza said:

do you have experience with one? would love to hear some thoughts

the FS1R was one of my dream synths for years and i was finally able to get one about 4 months ago. it instantly became the best sounding synth i own. it has a super high resolution "hyperreal" sound that i've only previously heard coming from the monomachine. you can make very 'tactile' sounds with it that still sound completely digital & synthetic. you can call up some of the cheesy presets, start changing the fm algorithms & levels, and things can get really weird really quick. tons of room for exploration and happy accidents. there's a bit of a steep learning curve and i've just barely scratched the surface of it, but it's also pretty easy to come up with some wild alien sounds while changing relatively few parameters. i haven't heard anything in software that comes anywhere close to what this thing can do and how good it sounds.

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edit: @sheatheman

 

Quaristice and Untilted, then back to Max after that.

Nord Lead is basically my favourite synth ever, sounds great even dry. 

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11 minutes ago, modey said:

edit: @sheatheman

 

Quaristice and Untilted, then back to Max after that.

Nord Lead is basically my favourite synth ever, sounds great even dry. 

I hear MnM in Oversteps too! 
Can’t remember exactly where in this moment but it’s there imo

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1 hour ago, digit said:

the FS1R was one of my dream synths for years and i was finally able to get one about 4 months ago. it instantly became the best sounding synth i own. it has a super high resolution "hyperreal" sound that i've only previously heard coming from the monomachine. you can make very 'tactile' sounds with it that still sound completely digital & synthetic. you can call up some of the cheesy presets, start changing the fm algorithms & levels, and things can get really weird really quick. tons of room for exploration and happy accidents. there's a bit of a steep learning curve and i've just barely scratched the surface of it, but it's also pretty easy to come up with some wild alien sounds while changing relatively few parameters. i haven't heard anything in software that comes anywhere close to what this thing can do and how good it sounds.

From what I've read countless times, sound is amazing but overall UX is quite counter-intuitive. Do you use an editor with it ?

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Does anyone have experience with the TX81Z? Seems like the DX7/TX7 still has a lot of vibe compared with later outings...

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Snd- atavism was made with the fs1r iirc 

Always wanted to try it but the prices are still quite high. Does that editor make things any easier? Can you save presents on it?

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Would love to save presents on my synths

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2 hours ago, chim said:

Does anyone have experience with the TX81Z? Seems like the DX7/TX7 still has a lot of vibe compared with later outings...

I've never messed with one but a friend of mine has had one for a few years and does basically everything on that, a Kurzweil K2500RS and a Kawai K1.  I'm not usually around when he works on stuff but what I've heard sounds great and definitely not like stereotpyical FM sounds.

The TX802 was easily the best value in FM for a long time but it looks like they're getting more expensive lately. I don't even know how long I've had one (first real synth I ever got, back when nobody wanted FM) and I still find uses for it.  I'd say if you find one under $250 it's still a good deal, but for $300+ it's a lot harder to justify.  It really does sound fantastic, though. Doesn't have the grit of the 12 bit FM synths but it sounds really good. I'd definitely recommend one over a DX7-II unless you absolutely need the keyboard.  The DX7-II is easier to program but the 802 does a bit more (multitimbral, 10 outs, microtuning that I'm not sure the DX could do) and is essentially the same synth.

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5 hours ago, digit said:

the FS1R was one of my dream synths for years and i was finally able to get one about 4 months ago. it instantly became the best sounding synth i own. it has a super high resolution "hyperreal" sound that i've only previously heard coming from the monomachine. you can make very 'tactile' sounds with it that still sound completely digital & synthetic. you can call up some of the cheesy presets, start changing the fm algorithms & levels, and things can get really weird really quick. tons of room for exploration and happy accidents. there's a bit of a steep learning curve and i've just barely scratched the surface of it, but it's also pretty easy to come up with some wild alien sounds while changing relatively few parameters. i haven't heard anything in software that comes anywhere close to what this thing can do and how good it sounds.

super powerful synth that goes beyond FM (subtractive, additive, formant) but yes, UI is nightmarish without a good software editor which is sad cause this synth is a true gem. Regarding FM I use a preen FM 2 and a reface DX, both are great but I still need to learn a lot about FM synthesis (Theory in particular)

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That's always been the beauty of the DX series keyboards for me, and why I wish I still had one - you really don't need to understand FM theory to get good results quickly.  There's a little bit of learning curve at the beginning, but the DX interface is really intuitive once you get the basics, there's direct access to basically every parameter (not control-per-function but close - press a button with your right hand, play the keyboard with your right hand while tweaking the parameter with your left, repeat) and it's easy to work by ear. No other FM synth I've tried is like that, least of all the Yamaha rack modules (even though they tend to be more flexible than their keyboard counterparts).

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Since we're talking boutique FM like the FS1R, there's this new French creation, the Kodomo EssenceFM. 

Highlights include 6 operators, 300 voice polyphony and neat touchscreen functions (draw your envelopes etc). 

 

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37 minutes ago, chim said:

Since we're talking boutique FM like the FS1R, there's this new French creation, the Kodomo EssenceFM. 

Highlights include 6 operators, 300 voice polyphony and neat touchscreen functions (draw your envelopes etc). 

 

Beast!!! ? If I had the money lol.

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12 hours ago, xox said:

I hear MnM in Oversteps too! 
Can’t remember exactly where in this moment but it’s there imo

pretty sure no monomachine on oversteps (oversteps = over step sequencers - ie: the elektrons). the FS1R is all over it, tho.

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12 hours ago, Nil said:

From what I've read countless times, sound is amazing but overall UX is quite counter-intuitive. Do you use an editor with it ?

yeah, you definitely want to use an editor with it. i'm on a mac so i use the mac version of this one: https://synth-voice.sakura.ne.jp/fs1r_editor_english.html

that being said, the front panel isn't that bad. you can use it for some basic stuff & it gets faster once you learn how everything is laid out. the knobs can be used to navigate thru the menus & change values. but the synth is so deep that you really need an editor to get a birds-eye view of whats going on & make changes more quickly.

ps - the effects in the FS1R are really good. i was surprised because nobody ever talks about them. there is a wide range of built-in effects including distortion, amp simulators, filters, compressor, pitch shifter, bit-reduction, etc. a real diverse range of stuff and they all sound fantastic.

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3 hours ago, chim said:

Since we're talking boutique FM like the FS1R, there's this new French creation, the Kodomo EssenceFM. 

Highlights include 6 operators, 300 voice polyphony and neat touchscreen functions (draw your envelopes etc). 

 

pretty interesting and deep, a few good sounds in there. but i don't know that i'd ever want a touchscreen on music hardware, and further it basically just looks like they took a computer program and wrapped it in some sorta mediocre rack enclosure. which itself isn't too far away from a lot of digital hardware synths but...that all would worry me if i was considering it is all i'm saying. could definitely see it being cool for certain users.

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It is way too clean sounding for me. I have the same issue with FM8, it's one of the most powerful synth engines I know but it never reaches that point where you let go of the controls and just wanna play. Reminds me of the Echofix modern RE-201 clone, all high quality internals with a minimum of noise and flutter, almost defeats the point of using one... 

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