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10 hours ago, Braintree said:

As far as the events go, from what I understand, the guy shot at someone and then the crowd tried to get his gun away from him

That's not what the video I've been able to find has shown so far, maybe there will be more uncovered and available at the trial, but so far it looks like the first shot he fired was after he was being chased by the first guy who was shot, who lunged at him - maybe trying to take his gun, but you can't see clearly (someone else shot into the air with a handgun before that, not sure if this was one of the people involved in the 2nd shooting incident a few mins later). The second incident happened after he was running away, he stumbled and then got attacked by several people (he was kicked in the head, hit in the head with a skateboard, and then another guy came at him with a gun drawn) - he then shot the guy with the skateboard in the stomach, and the guy with the gun in arm. The fact that he was running away prior to getting attacked, in addition to having a reasonable fear for his life due being attacked and a guy drawing a gun on him, is what makes a self defence case seem at least somewhat reasonable. The first killing is far less obvious, as there doesn't appear to be much evidence that he could reasonably claim to be in fear for his life, getting chased by a guy and having a bag of rubbish thrown at him, doesn't seem likely to cut it - but we don't really know what happened to trigger the initial confrontation (the only video I've seen shows the first guy who was shot being very aggressive and shouting 'shoot me nigga' at him, but I didn't see why it escalated and caused him to leave and the other guy to chase after him). 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

I'm not saying he deserves to get off, just that there's a reasonable chance he'd be able to convince a jury on at least some of the charges. It seems to me like everyone involved was a dumb asshole who would have been better off staying at home that night.

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The purpose of this thread is to discuss Black Lives Matter and the subsequent protests of the movement. Police brutality should be the focus (since that's what started the most current protests), but

Dude, the police have too much money. They have too much money because other services have been defunded. If we put that money back into education, affordable housing, and other social services, then

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1 hour ago, caze said:

That's not what the video I've been able to find has shown so far, maybe there will be more uncovered and available at the trial, but so far it looks like the first shot he fired was after he was being chased by the first guy who was shot, who lunged at him - maybe trying to take his gun, but you can't see clearly (someone else shot into the air with a handgun before that, not sure if this was one of the people involved in the 2nd shooting incident a few mins later). The second incident happened after he was running away, he stumbled and then got attacked by several people (he was kicked in the head, hit in the head with a skateboard, and then another guy came at him with a gun drawn) - he then shot the guy with the skateboard in the stomach, and the guy with the gun in arm. The fact that he was running away prior to getting attacked, in addition to having a reasonable fear for his life due being attacked and a guy drawing a gun on him, is what makes a self defence case seem at least somewhat reasonable. The first killing is far less obvious, as there doesn't appear to be much evidence that he could reasonably claim to be in fear for his life, getting chased by a guy and having a bag of rubbish thrown at him, doesn't seem likely to cut it - but we don't really know what happened to trigger the initial confrontation (the only video I've seen shows the first guy who was shot being very aggressive and shouting 'shoot me nigga' at him, but I didn't see why it escalated and caused him to leave and the other guy to chase after him). 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

I'm not saying he deserves to get off, just that there's a reasonable chance he'd be able to convince a jury on at least some of the charges. It seems to me like everyone involved was a dumb asshole who would have been better off staying at home that night.

I assumed he illegally possessed that AR-15, as he is 17 years old, but apparently a lot of states allow a child to own a long gun.  Because America.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/27/in-30-states-a-child-can-still-legally-own-a-rife-or-shotgun/

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On 8/28/2020 at 10:33 PM, joshuatxuk said:

if Biden wins, a few months in he becomes a vegetable, Harris becomes the first woman president and we go back to neoliberal slumber.

Only if you let it go back to the neoliberal slumber. Substantive change to engrained systems requires sustained and concentrated effort. (josh, i realize this isn't your quote, just happened to copy it from your post).

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12 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Only if you let it go back to the neoliberal slumber. Substantive change to engrained systems requires sustained and concentrated effort. (josh, i realize this isn't your quote, just happened to copy it from your post).

It's not but I agree completely, kudos to @Valleyfold for the succint take

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1 hour ago, chenGOD said:

Only if you let it go back to the neoliberal slumber. Substantive change to engrained systems requires sustained and concentrated effort.

I felt a glimpse of hope at the beginning of the democratic nominee race. But seeing how things turned out I really don’t have hope in the establishment being challenged. 

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Just read about this study - haven't gone through the full report yet, but they key fact is the vast majority of protests and demonstrations across the US over the summer (there were >10K!!) were non-violent.

https://acleddata.com/2020/08/31/us-crisis-monitor-releases-full-data-for-summer-2020/

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7% were violent I read? which still seems fairly large (and is enough to produce a fair amount of damage and bad press), but not as bad as it was in the 60s/70s (where it was around 12% IIRC). the more positive thing is that, while the protests do seem to have diminished support for BLM in general (after an initial surge in support early on), they haven't reduced support for many specific reforms, and they don't seem to have given Trump much of a boost in the polls either.

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5% for protests overall, 7% for BLM associated protests in the study I linked. The media motto "if it bleeds, it leads", creates such a distorted picture - it shouldn't even be an issue.

Here's the highlights for BLM associated protests for anyone who cares:

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  • Since 26 May, the day after George Floyd was killed by police, ACLED records over 7,750 demonstrations associated with the BLM movement across more than 2,440 locations in all 50 states and DC
    • States with the most events: California (819), New York (430), Florida (380), and Illinois (331)
  • The vast majority of these events more than 93% involve non-violent demonstrators
  • Approximately 9% of all demonstration events associated with the BLM movement or nearly one in 10 events have been met with intervention by police or other authorities
    • Of these interventions, government personnel used force3 in more than half at least 54%
    • The majority of these events are reported in California, Oregon, and New York
    • Authorities have also targeted journalists covering BLM demonstrations: ACLED records over 100 events of government violence against the media during demonstrations in 31 states and DC 
    • State intervention and use of force in demonstrations has increased relative to this time last year
  • Non-state actors are becoming more aggressive and are increasingly engaging demonstrators 
    • Since Floyd’s killing, ACLED records over 100 events in which non-state actors intervened in demonstrations, including militia groups as well as individual attackers
      • Individual perpetrators sometimes linked to hate groups like the KKK have launched dozens of car-ramming attacks targeting demonstrations around the country
    • ACLED records activity by over 20 distinct militia groups across the US during this period, and non-state actors are engaging in demonstrations more often relative to this time last year
    • Armed individuals are also becoming more common at demonstration events; in some cases they are present without engaging in the demonstrations claiming to ‘keep the peace’ if not openly intimidate perceived ‘enemies’ while in others they have engaged directly in demonstrations associated with the BLM movement. In total, over 50 such incidents are recorded since late May
  • The BLM movement has prompted a series of counter-protests, and many have turned violent
    • Since May, over 360 counter-protests have been reported around the country
      • Of these, more than 40 nearly 12% turned violent
    • Counter-protests are growing and increasingly turning violent relative to this time last year

Globally, in the weeks following Floyd’s death, ACLED records at least 8,700 demonstrations in solidarity with the BLM movement across 74 countries.4ACLED does not yet cover Canada or Oceania. Data for Western Europe are not yet published, but will be released in the coming months. See ACLED’s full list of country and time period coverage here.

 

There's a lot of information there, tons to go through.

 

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On 8/29/2020 at 5:44 AM, rhmilo said:

Truly the most anodyne man alive.

You are a bit snarky. Obama is not anodyne. He is cool. Cool as a cucumber. Cool as the leather jacket on Andrew Dice Clay. 

HE always was. Look back at his talks in the 90's when he was a young man.. He hasn't changed.

Obama had the most angry group of white fuckheads stonewalling him for 8 years and he never cracked, Never said anything out of line. Never boo hoo'ed or whined. He was cool as fuck the whole time. He did what he could with Mitch McConnell and his army of type two diabetic cunts refusing to be seen in a picture with him and white knuckling their asses to make sure he was a one term president


You are anodyne

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48 minutes ago, marf said:

You are a bit snarky. Obama is not anodyne. He is cool. Cool as a cucumber. Cool as the leather jacket on Andrew Dice Clay. 

HE always was. Look back at his talks in the 90's when he was a young man.. He hasn't changed.

Obama had the most angry group of white fuckheads stonewalling him for 8 years and he never cracked, Never said anything out of line. Never boo hoo'ed or whined. He was cool as fuck the whole time. He did what he could with Mitch McConnell and his army of type two diabetic cunts refusing to be seen in a picture with him and white knuckling their asses to make sure he was a one term president


You are anodyne

“Barack Obama, a man so devoid of color and personality even Oprah can endorse him.”

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Obama is one of the most carefully managed brands in the world. But a third term of Obama would be like the mixtape that drops after the album, perhaps even better. 

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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v7gwyy/new-body-cam-footage-raises-questions-about-breonna-taylor-death-investigation

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VICE News has previously reported that crime scene photos contradict initial statements by the LMPD claiming that the officers involved, who work narcotics, do not wear body cameras. Photographs of officers taken from that night clearly show Tony James, one of the at least seven officers present for the raid, wearing a body camera over his right shoulder.

 

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Derek Chauvin guilty of murder in George Floyd's death

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/derek-chauvin-verdict-reached-trial-over-george-floyd-s-death-n1264565

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MINNEAPOLIS — Derek Chauvin was found guilty on all counts Tuesday for causing George Floyd's death, a jury verdict that could send the disgraced former Minneapolis police officer to prison for the rest of his life. Chauvin's eyes darted left and right over his light blue surgical mask as Judge Peter Cahill read the jury's verdict, but he betrayed little else in the way of emotion.

Chauvin, who was convicted of second- and third-degree murder, as well as second-degree manslaughter, stood up quickly after the judge ordered his bail revoked and compliantly placed his hands to be handcuffed before he was led out of the courtroom. He faces up to 75 years in prison when he returns for sentencing in eight weeks.

Get fucked, Derek.

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Almost exactly 30 years after Rodney King was almost beaten to death by LAPD.

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