dr lopez Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Rubin Farr said: i must be really online and jaded because this strikes me as totally bizarre. I applaud this girl's decision to film this incident, and for that she deserves recognition (which she has already received) but the sobering reality is that it's one of many incidents of police brutality filmed on smartphones. a drop in an ocean really. Events outside of her control and influence caused the George Floyd incident to become oversized and symbolic vs other incidents that were filmed, such as the Eric Garner killing. Ramsey Orta "deserves" this award just as much as Frazier, but he was instead arrested in a plea deal sting iirc. Would Frazier even get this if the jury verdict on Chauvin was not guilty? This "right place, right time" award is also directly in conflict with previous Pulitzer special citation awards in journalism. Can we give a posthumous award to Zapruder? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 I agree Zapruder is monumental in history, but this young woman's video caused worldwide protests, even the Rodney King beating didn't revolutionize how some see race in America to this extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, dingformung said: What does that mean? you dont wanna know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 You already know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lopez Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 I agree Zapruder is monumental in history, but this young woman's video caused worldwide protests, even the Rodney King beating didn't revolutionize how some see race in America to this extent.I personally don’t believe the George Floyd incident and media fallout has done much of anything to “revolutionize” how some see race in America other than further anger and radicalize white supremacists. I am fully expecting a similar incident to occur with much less media attention and the officer will walk. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 On 6/12/2021 at 10:46 AM, dr lopez said: I personally don’t believe the George Floyd incident and media fallout has done much of anything to “revolutionize” how some see race in America other than further anger and radicalize white supremacists. I am fully expecting a similar incident to occur with much less media attention and the officer will walk. i live in minneapolis and last week cops shot a guy to death, said he was shooting them first, passenger in the car with the guy said he wasn't shooting. body cams were not on, cops will not be releasing the names of the officers involved. same old shit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 16 hours ago, Valleyfold said: Yes. Huge sums of money changed hands and nothing meaningfully changed. The crime rate went up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 On 4/20/2021 at 4:39 PM, Braintree said: Derek Chauvin guilty of murder in George Floyd's death https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/derek-chauvin-verdict-reached-trial-over-george-floyd-s-death-n1264565 Get fucked, Derek. sentenced to 22 1/2 years in prison https://apnews.com/article/derek-chauvin-sentencing-23c52021812168c579b3886f8139c73d dude will be in ad seg @ oak park but it's still fair to say he'll have to check in correctly considering his high profile case and him being law enforcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chenGOD Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 7 hours ago, chim said: Floyd is a joke, why the hell is a a criminal shit serving as the mouthpiece of BLM? Is that the best they could pull off? There's graffiti of this idiot like he's a hero. The officer being punished had it coming but the dude held a pregnant woman at gunpoint, not really hero material. Sorry. I think it’s ok to be a criminal and not be murdered extra-judicially. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 12 hours ago, chenGOD said: I think it’s ok to be a criminal and not be murdered extra-judicially. This has nothing to do with the point/argument he’s making. E.g., We are making heroes of men like George Floyd and detracting from great men like John Muir. Welcome to damnation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ethel said: This has nothing to do with the point/argument he’s making. E.g., We are making heroes of men like George Floyd and detracting from great men like John Muir. Welcome to damnation floyd hasn't been made a hero. his image is a symbol of police brutality. you're confusing the idea of a hero as some kind of powerful life story of grand accomplishments with the idea of a regular person who was unjustly executed by the police. i live 4 block from where floyd was killed. no one thinks he was a hero lol. it's a reminder of how fucked up our society is. kinda weird you don't get this? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Alcofribas said: floyd hasn't been made a hero. his image is a symbol of police brutality. you're confusing the idea of a hero as some kind of powerful life story of grand accomplishments with the idea of a regular person who was unjustly executed by the police. i live 4 block from where floyd was killed. no one thinks he was a hero lol. it's a reminder of how fucked up our society is. kinda weird you don't get this? Making not made bub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, Ethel said: This has nothing to do with the point/argument he’s making. E.g., We are making heroes of men like George Floyd and detracting from great men like John Muir. Welcome to damnation There is a difference between a hero and a martyr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ethel said: This has nothing to do with the point/argument he’s making. E.g., We are making heroes of men like George Floyd and detracting from great men like John Muir. Welcome to damnation Floyd’s not a hero, nor is anyone making him one. Instead he is being used as an image in the fight against systemic racism, which is particularly pronounced in US policing. The point he was making is moot because a) it’s not accurate (no one is making a hero out of Floyd), b) he’s not the mouthpiece of BLM (and never has been), and c) no one should be murdered extrajudicially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Ethel said: Making not made bub ok wolverine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whosebrian Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 I hadn't heard the "held a pregnant woman at gunpoint " bunkum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 after i kill someone in the heat of aggression i always love to look back at their life to ensure they deserved to die for stuff i hadn't known about. this is called "justice" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Alcofribas said: ok wolverine You betcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Alcofribas said: after i kill someone in the heat of aggression i always love to look back at their life to ensure they deserved to die for stuff i hadn't known about. this is called "justice" Have you seen this documentary about justice reform? Spoiler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usagi Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 what's John Muir got to do with any of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 47 minutes ago, usagi said: what's John Muir got to do with any of this? I had the same question. I think @Ethel's contention is that we should be venerating John Muir more because of climate change and ecological reasons. All well and good, but that cunt has a ton of fucking tributes and honours. So we're not exactly forgetting about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usagi Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 oh, so it is that John Muir. I was trying to find some other possibly contemporaneous/living guy actually connected/relevant to the issue being discussed here. I mean yeah, John Muir's cool and that, but why doesn't my man Flahbulb get any fucking respect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 9 hours ago, chenGOD said: I had the same question. I think @Ethel's contention is that we should be venerating John Muir more because of climate change and ecological reasons. All well and good, but that cunt has a ton of fucking tributes and honours. So we're not exactly forgetting about him. I’ll point you in the right direction, “Philosophical beliefs”. Now if this whole BLM stuff is as you’ve indicated a voice in defiance of police brutality it wouldn’t be shifted towards one race. Systematic racism like my Polish ancestors experienced you say? Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King and Malcom X had quite a thing or two to say about ones own-self taking ownership of responsibility or a group with similar backgrounds for themselves. What’s going on in the US is pernicious. I’m not sure what will change it or where were headed. But by trying to whitewash our history and taking our societal grievances into a court of law the blame rest on each of us, individually, who condone it in bad faith. Pro captu lectoris habent sua fata libelli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lopez Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 John Muir is kinda sus tbh lol. Enforcer of the “wilderness” narrative when the reality of indigenous people living on and with the land for millennia is a more wholistic nuanced approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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