Which is your favourite sampler???

[Mr.Sensi 12]

2 hours ago, nikisoko said:

im all for sampling and samplers but between uvi falcon, kontakt and max/msp, i would never need a hardware sampler except for live use.

Wanted to give Falcon a try since it seemed like it would be good for creating drum kits and lots of other things with all the mixing of sampling and different synthesis stuff, but they don't offer a demo.

[nikisoko 342]

It is pretty dope but can be a resource hog. Some of the ui is not intuitive and I feel like the modular amount sliders are a little to extreme, it takes some work to add subtle modulations in there.  That being said, I think it's leagues ahead of Kontakt, which is pretty long in the tooth these days. 

one thing I really like about it is how you can assign (most) effects to a selection keygroups but then edit the parameters on each keygroup individually. This can get computationally expensive though, and I think its probably preferred to add effects/filters etc to a layer, which is a group of key groups. I find myself maxing out my relatively well equipped machine a lot from doing keygroup specific effects chains on 100+ samples.

Its also really nice to have standard sampling along with pretty good granular sampling and the ircam stretch processing in there. The stretch processing is also a resource hog and I find myself bouncing out samples a lot of I'm using really slow speeds.weird that there is no demo though yeah

[Mr.Sensi 12]

Wasn't aware of the ircam stuff being in it, that's awesome.

[sheatheman 233]

OT sounds terrible but it’s prob the best ever. 

[TubularCorporation 749]

OT sounds fine, if it's sounding terrible you might be gainstaging it weird or leaving timestretch on when you don't need it.

My interface, which is pretty nice but not world class (Q3 2012 BLA signature mod Digi002), sounds better but not better enough that I don't keep going back to a workflow where I mix everything OTB and the whole mix goes through the OT on the way in, because I usually end up with better music that still sounds good if I do that than if I multitrack everything and obsess over the mix.  Both have their advantages and disadvantages and I'll probably go back to a lot of multitracking pretty soon, but my point is that the difference in quality between recording something direct vs recording it through the OT isn't even close to big enough to make it not worth doing when you need what the OT can do. It definitely sounds better than an MBox and I've heard some pretty good sounding stuff recorded with just an MBox.

Edited July 11, 2020 by TubularCorporation

[sweepstakes 894]

OT definitely needs more finagling than most in the gain staging department. I would not assume operator error, that's just its major flaw.

[TubularCorporation 749]

I kind of want an Alesis Samplerack just to have a convenient no-frills MIDI one-shot sample player to stick in an extra rack space I've got and load with original drum sounds.  They were a huge failure and too new to be "cool" so a used one should be cheap but they actually seem hard to find, and I don't care enough to pay the $125 or so they go for new-in-box (seems like they only ever show up new in box because nobody bought them). $50 would be pretty tempting.

 

EDIT: that $50 would be better spent on the parts to rackmount the Axoloti, though. Not that I'm going to do either any time soon, I'm broke and have more important stuff to spend money on when I do get some to spare.

Edited July 11, 2020 by TubularCorporation

[modey 379]

I'm gonna put a vote in for the Model:Samples, since I don't think it's been mentioned yet.

It's not a true sampler in that it only plays back samples you load into it and doesn't record them, but it is one of the quickest and most fun devices I own. Its sample playback is pretty transparent in that it doesn't appear to colour the samples at all, which means it's not going to become a classic due to that, but the filters, distortion and effects make up for that imo. 

I love the Octatrack, and still consider it my #1 electronic instrument, but sometimes I just want to sit down with a nice, light groovebox and jam out some fun patterns. I made everything in this video in less than an hour the other day:

(it's also a bit of a plug for my new sample pack 🤘)

I'm totally an Elektron fanboy as a lot of people already know, but hey, it's for a reason.

[thawkins 520]

All synths are samplers, because eventually what you do is manipulate a rapidly repeating sample of one sine-saw-tri-square-whatever waveform anyway.

[saltmarket 6]

On 7/12/2020 at 8:17 AM, modey said:

 

(it's also a bit of a plug for my new sample pack 🤘)

And what a nice sample pack iot is too! Itching to get it loaded onto my Digitakt this weekend. I'm also an elektron fanboy, I love the fact you could do a whole live set on any one of their devices, and the parameter locking system lets you get so much more variety going on

[user 526]

On 7/13/2020 at 10:29 AM, thawkins said:

All synths are samplers, because eventually what you do is manipulate a rapidly repeating sample of one sine-saw-tri-square-whatever waveform anyway.

The waveforms in synthesizers are generated, not sampled. 

 

[TubularCorporation 749]

1 hour ago, user said:

The waveforms in synthesizers are generated, not sampled. 

 

(except sample based synthesizers like a PPG Wave or every ROMpler ever or a D-50 that does both)

[psn 546]

And samplers sample. 

[sweepstakes 894]

I think it's more interesting to look at sample playback/recording as a sawtooth (or triangle or ramp or whatever) wave looking up a position in contiguous memory. Then you can start to break those components apart and do more interesting things.

[TubularCorporation 749]

8 hours ago, psn said:

And samplers sample. 

Not a given these days, unfortunately.

[thawkins 520]

18 hours ago, sweepstakes said:

I think it's more interesting to look at sample playback/recording as a sawtooth (or triangle or ramp or whatever) wave looking up a position in contiguous memory. Then you can start to break those components apart and do more interesting things.

It's quite easy to use Pure Data to set up a position look up that starts linear (start to end), but where you can warp the look up function to be gradually different.

IT'S MATH, YOU SHOULD CHECK IT OUT SOMETIME...

[sweepstakes 894]

5 hours ago, thawkins said:

It's quite easy to use Pure Data to set up a position look up that starts linear (start to end), but where you can warp the look up function to be gradually different.

That's exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about! I like doing that stuff in SuperCollider as well, you can do this kind of wrapping but you can also create an envelope and control the times, levels, and curves. When you get modulo and addition/subtraction involved it gets pretty interesting.

[TubularCorporation 749]