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Spotify CEO Daniel Ek says working musicians can no longer release music only “once every three to four years.” Spotify's stock value hit all-time highs of $50 billion this summer.


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2 hours ago, chenGOD said:

Some more recent info on potential for regulation (or not):

https://musically.com/2021/02/23/spotify-apple-and-amazon-at-the-uk-streaming-economics-inquiry/

It’s all pretty vague as you’d expect from general counsel. 

that was actually pretty interesting. a bit dry of course, but plenty of detail in there. 

thinking maybe that treating 'streaming' much more like radio would be ideal for most everyone involved.

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"your art must conform to to the market, specifically the type of market that I control" the absolute narcissism of the rich

Never used Spotify, never will

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3 hours ago, auxien said:

thinking maybe that treating 'streaming' much more like radio would be ideal for most everyone involved.

Maybe, but as the spotify lawyer said, its like radio plus...that user focused experience. I hardly ever listen to the radio shows that apple music has for example, whereas i will stream music that i own but either don't have access to (my record collection remains in korea with my friend) or am too lazy to find the hard drive its on.

The thing that's frustrating is that there is much more possibility with the internet, and labels have less power (though they still function as good indicators of aggregate sound or curators), but artists need a very strong union, or Spotify et al. will fuck them over harder than the labels/A&R men ever did.

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14 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

 

haha you fell for the market competition meme

I'm not sure what meme that is.  

It just seems inevitable to me that bandcamp will get in on the streaming.  Anyone can, but I'm curious what Amazon, Spotify, etc do to prevent their competition from growing.  I've tried Beats Music because they pay their artists better, but they pandered to not only the mainstream, but also the college radio top 30 vibes, but not the underground in really any capacity.  I guess it is the underground's fault for not submitting their music, but I do think a better advertising campaign could fix that problem.   I'll look into the rest of it, thanks. 

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12 hours ago, chenGOD said:

Some more recent info on potential for regulation (or not):

https://musically.com/2021/02/23/spotify-apple-and-amazon-at-the-uk-streaming-economics-inquiry/

It’s all pretty vague as you’d expect from general counsel. 

that article made slight mention as to how streaming music vs. streaming video are different in market terms, but it made me think about how widely acceptable in our minds that video streaming services like netflix have become, compared to the more divisive topic of streaming music. both have done massive damage to the brick and mortar, physical sales and all related industry, yet any type of societal pushback to Hulu, etc. has largely fallen off a cliff. don't know where I'm going with this, or if I really have a point, just food for thought, that's all.

 

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I'm not sure we can compare music and series/movies here.
I suppose everyone's involved in the making of a movie, TV show / series to be streamed via Netflix is paid, prior to streaming. Not sure there would be much content available otherwise.
On the other hand, I suspect the vast majority of the artists on Spotify don't get a cent before streaming... and won't get much once their music is available. 

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7 hours ago, chenGOD said:

Maybe, but as the spotify lawyer said, its like radio plus...that user focused experience. I hardly ever listen to the radio shows that apple music has for example, whereas i will stream music that i own but either don't have access to (my record collection remains in korea with my friend) or am too lazy to find the hard drive its on.

The thing that's frustrating is that there is much more possibility with the internet, and labels have less power (though they still function as good indicators of aggregate sound or curators), but artists need a very strong union, or Spotify et al. will fuck them over harder than the labels/A&R men ever did.

i guess i was imposing my own ideas onto what would happen. anyway yeah artists needing a union is probably the most promising path, but i'm not betting on that one happening any time soon. too many egos, and most want to keep the class system that labels have imposed on the industry for nearly a century because they're all wanting to rake in the cash and notoriety of a Skrillex or a Jay-Z.

4 hours ago, psn said:

Bandcamp are already streaming.

yep, that gets glossed over by many, even people on here. mostly because they don't want to pay up to support the artists directly and are okay pretending that paying for Spotify is still giving the artists a little bit.

 

13 minutes ago, Nil said:

I'm not sure we can compare music and series/movies here.
I suppose everyone's involved in the making of a movie, TV show / series to be streamed via Netflix is paid, prior to streaming. Not sure there would be much content available otherwise.
On the other hand, I suspect the vast majority of the artists on Spotify don't get a cent before streaming... and won't get much once their music is available. 

well said, yep. sure Hulu/Netflix etc would strip every cent of profit from the production if they could, but those industries are, for the most of the workers, dominated by unions. and further, that up-front cash/'producers' model has its own issues of course, and don't think the comparison is terribly useful because of that, but maybe there's some lessons in there for the music industry as well

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4 hours ago, psn said:

Bandcamp are already streaming.

Yes, as i've said in this thread, the bandcamp model is really preferable for me. Purchase of all sorts of media (physical/digitals), streaming, a variety of formats for downloading, no region restrictions etc. I really hope more and more artists go to bandcamp. For artists with a large back catalogue, Uwe Schmidt provides an excellent example of how to transform that back catalogue into something cohesive. And the AtomTM_Audio_Archive is really a remarkable achievement.

1 hour ago, dr lopez said:

aleksi really took spotify ceo's demands to heart

Speaking of, tomorrow is payday - time to reup on my Colundi habit.

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6 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Speaking of, tomorrow is payday - time to reup on my Colundi habit.

... wait for Bandcamp Friday then (and add countless WATMM talents to your cart as well :emotawesomepm9:)

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2 hours ago, psn said:

interesting, will probably be good for some. might've made more sense about 5 years ago. weirdly you've gotta be paying for Pro or Pro Unlimited (idk how pricey these are) ...plus, you've gotta have at least 500 streams per month (dunno how many might qualify for this?) or they won't even bother.

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