Autechre - SIGN 16.10.20

[Soloman Tump]

Nnnhhhggg, this hasn't clicked with me yet, at all.

I enjoyed the stream because it was a communal thing and I was bouncing ideas off other people.

But since then i've listened twice and struggled to engage with it.  Maybe its because im super busy at work and downtime is at a minimum.  Or maybe it's because i've been listening to loads of noise music lately!

I dunno. Im sure there will be a time and a place for me and SIGN to get netflix & chill 2geva

[Draft78]

On 9/7/2020 at 4:07 AM, sine nomine said:

Maybe he's (Charlie Kaufman) a fan of autechre? I didn't get the movie (i'm thinking of ending things)

Kaufman explain :

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/09/charlie-kaufman-explains-im-thinking-of-ending-things-1234584492/

 

Edited October 19, 2020 by Draft78

[Alcofribas]

Kaufman explain

[jaderpansen]

there is nothing in the idea of a 'product' that tells us half as much as when there is mis-direction, and as all great magicians profess and exemplify, we are not to be told. preferably ever. why? because it is actually the least important part of the entire ritual. the immediate demand to know after a trick *appears* to have concluded shows us (mostly about ourselves - although we might insist that it concerns others) that we will not allow awe and suspension of disbelief to rest without disturbance, and the evidence of our senses is not that which we are prepared to trust - always preferring external verification before we can file away the experience. to be able to hold contradictions without resolution is the mark of a certain development, and aids for this practice are few and far between. and here we have one. a world-view presented by the act of setting forth acts of creation into the public arena means a possibility of entering this, and the terms are dictated precisely; because to truly experience the local conditions, a certain amount of letting go of touristic assumptions must take place. any resistance felt is a symptom that indicates where effort must be extended. "SIGN" does not allow ease except on a superficial level, and what seem to be familiar indications of direction and location are at worst obscurations and at best mirages... as well as there being the possibility that they are, in fact, sleight-of-hand carried out right in front of us. not being the place, the labels are disintegrated in a seemingly impossible fashion, and carpets and tablecloths are whipped out from underneath a large collection of objects (again, including ourselves), and disbelief should be the least of our worries. please note that magicians call what they do "effects" and not "tricks," and I have no doubt (even if I should) that this is the case with "SIGN." my favorite magical acts are those a) where the effect happens inside the audience and not outside, and b) when an explanation is given, but it is in fact, yet another part of the effect. but best of all, is when there is no trick but appears to be: after all, the saying goes, that "magicians guard an empty safe." the emptiness in that safe is what we can be granted access to if we meet the designer of the safe on their own terms, and then we may come to realise how valuable that space truly is.

Andrew M. McKenzie

[dingformung]

Beautifully written

[Plum]

Does anything on this album sound like Krib, Silverside or Eutow?

[misuta Go]

"but whatever our expectations or hopes for new Autechre music were, this album feels like the record we need in 2020, after the year that it’s been"

not it isn't. 2020, best year evah. i want my money back!!!

Edited October 19, 2020 by misuta Go

[tailings]

48 minutes ago, Plum said:

Does anything on this album sound like Krib, Silverside or Eutow?

Nope, Nope and mostly Nope.

[Alcofribas]

58 minutes ago, Plum said:

Does anything on this album sound like Krib, Silverside or Eutow?

Yeah. This record has “Krib 2,” “Silverside part 2” and “Eutow (mix 2)” fyi

[Boxus]

1 hour ago, Plum said:

Does anything on this album sound like Krib, Silverside or Eutow?

there are twinkly synths and pads so honestly kind of yes

[Limo]

My vinyl copy was just delivered. In the evening. By bike messenger. Very hipster of you, Warp.

The inner sleeves are *extremely* orange.

[dingformung]

Very Dutch of you, Warp.

[Limo]

Now that you mention it, some of those pads *do* have a bit of a Dutch trance sound to them.

[modey]

4 hours ago, Draft78 said:

if this had been someone else's album

If this had been someone else's album, I still would have lost my shit over Metaz form8, at the very least.

 

Edited October 19, 2020 by modey

[Limo]

If this had been someone else’s album, I would’ve skipped it. But then I never like ae albums the first few times I hear them.

Unfair for Eric Elektrontwiddler’s two hour long set of Rytm noodling? Maybe. Guess benefit of the doubt is something that has to be earned.

[baph]

1 hour ago, Alcofribas said:

Yeah. This record has “Krib 2,” “Silverside part 2” and “Eutow (mix 2)” fyi

Half of the album is just Rob saying “fish, fried rice, chips” tbh. 

[drillkicker]

7 hours ago, dingformung said:

They only do that if you let that happen. You can mess around with the tempo track and time signatures, it's not hard to do

There are actually limits to what a DAW can do, though.  I don't think you can have a sequencer rhythm that's manipulated by an envelope follower coming from a different track, or if you can then it's probably extremely weird and difficult.  In something like Max it's simple and easy and you can go far beyond that without any restriction.  It's also very difficult to make tracks that use unconventional tonalities like non-octaviating scales in Ableton Live.

Edited October 19, 2020 by drillkicker

[Stock]

3 hours ago, Plum said:

Does anything on this album sound like Krib, Silverside or Eutow?

Well to be honest, Silverside sprung to mind when I listened to SIGN the first time - but in a good way ! The whole album brings me back to Christmas 11 years ago when I bought the Quaristice / Amber double pack and started discovering Autechre.

Amber especially has been strongly associated in my mind to a winter vibe that I'm feeling right now, so to me this album sounds more like Amber's true heir than Oversteps offspring !

 

(also : Metaz form8 is Piezo 2.0)

[dingformung]

6 minutes ago, drillkicker said:

There are actually limits to what a DAW can do, though.  I don't think you can have a sequencer rhythm that's manipulated by an envelope follower coming from a different track, or if you can then it's probably extremely weird and difficult.  In something like Max it's simple and easy and you can go far beyond that without any restriction.  It's also very difficult to make tracks that use unconventional tonalities like non-octaviating scales in Ableton Live.

Of course Max is freer than a DAW, if you know how to use it. My point basically was that a DAW doesn't fixate you onto a certain time signature and tempo, as someone  has suggested

[dingformung]

27 minutes ago, rhmilo said:

If this had been someone else’s album, I would’ve skipped it. But then I never like ae albums the first few times I hear them.

Unfair for Eric Elektrontwiddler’s two hour long set of Rytm noodling? Maybe. Guess benefit of the doubt is something that has to be earned.

Really? You never like AE albums from the first listen on?

That's a phenomenon that I have often heard of but never experienced. Usually I perceive an AE album the same way after 5 years of listening as compared to the first day of listening, roughly.
Of course certain details come out only after a while you have been with the album, but generally, the album doesn't change and therefore my perception doesn't change much.

Things are as they are and that's all there is to them. And that's congruent with my perception.

[mushroom]

vinyl showed up in one piece. anyone want this download code

[zlemflolia]

4:17 @ sch.mefd 2

 

[zlemflolia]

no matter how many times i listen to this album i dont get burned out on it.  its too hefty

[Limo]

35 minutes ago, dingformung said:

Really? You never like AE albums from the first listen on?

That's a phenomenon that I have often heard of but never experienced. Usually I perceive an AE album the same way after 5 years of listening as compared to the first day of listening, roughly.
Of course certain details come out only after a while you have been with the album, but generally, the album doesn't change and therefore my perception doesn't change much.

Things are as they are and that's all there is to them. And that's congruent with my perception.

Maybe I’m just slow

But maybe it’s a matter of taste. Autechre’s broad strokes always seem bland and flat, and, in the case of this specific album, too obvious. Their music really needs the details to give it depth and meaning.

 

[mTesc]

1 hour ago, Stock said:

Well to be honest, Silverside sprung to mind when I listened to SIGN the first time - but in a good way ! The whole album brings me back to Christmas 11 years ago when I bought the Quaristice / Amber double pack and started discovering Autechre.

Amber especially has been strongly associated in my mind to a winter vibe that I'm feeling right now, so to me this album sounds more like Amber's true heir than Oversteps offspring !

 

(also : Metaz form8 is Piezo 2.0)

I didn't know a Quaristice / Amber pack was thing? What was that about?

49 minutes ago, dingformung said:

Really? You never like AE albums from the first listen on?

That's a phenomenon that I have often heard of but never experienced. Usually I perceive an AE album the same way after 5 years of listening as compared to the first day of listening, roughly.
Of course certain details come out only after a while you have been with the album, but generally, the album doesn't change and therefore my perception doesn't change much.

Things are as they are and that's all there is to them. And that's congruent with my perception.

Oversteps and Untilted needed time to grow on me. Quaristice never really did although I love the live stuff from the period. Most of the others (beginning with ep7, for me) have clicked hard right away.