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If this had been someone else’s album, I would’ve skipped it. But then I never like ae albums the first few times I hear them.

Unfair for Eric Elektrontwiddler’s two hour long set of Rytm noodling? Maybe. Guess benefit of the doubt is something that has to be earned.

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alco review by alco:   this is the new "autechre" album by them, the brothers. it's called "sign" which is short for "signs." i believe this is an m night shaymalan (or whatever) reference a

the autechre brothers. "the signs" in 2020. october. i forget the date. i'm meeting up with them, the "boys" of autechre. sean, the one who thinks its sick to make beats super wacky is smoking a cigar

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1 hour ago, Alcofribas said:

Yeah. This record has “Krib 2,” “Silverside part 2” and “Eutow (mix 2)” fyi

Half of the album is just Rob saying “fish, fried rice, chips” tbh. 

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7 hours ago, dingformung said:

They only do that if you let that happen. You can mess around with the tempo track and time signatures, it's not hard to do

There are actually limits to what a DAW can do, though.  I don't think you can have a sequencer rhythm that's manipulated by an envelope follower coming from a different track, or if you can then it's probably extremely weird and difficult.  In something like Max it's simple and easy and you can go far beyond that without any restriction.  It's also very difficult to make tracks that use unconventional tonalities like non-octaviating scales in Ableton Live.

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3 hours ago, Plum said:

Does anything on this album sound like Krib, Silverside or Eutow?

Well to be honest, Silverside sprung to mind when I listened to SIGN the first time - but in a good way ! The whole album brings me back to Christmas 11 years ago when I bought the Quaristice / Amber double pack and started discovering Autechre.

Amber especially has been strongly associated in my mind to a winter vibe that I'm feeling right now, so to me this album sounds more like Amber's true heir than Oversteps offspring !

 

(also : Metaz form8 is Piezo 2.0)

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6 minutes ago, drillkicker said:

There are actually limits to what a DAW can do, though.  I don't think you can have a sequencer rhythm that's manipulated by an envelope follower coming from a different track, or if you can then it's probably extremely weird and difficult.  In something like Max it's simple and easy and you can go far beyond that without any restriction.  It's also very difficult to make tracks that use unconventional tonalities like non-octaviating scales in Ableton Live.

Of course Max is freer than a DAW, if you know how to use it. My point basically was that a DAW doesn't fixate you onto a certain time signature and tempo, as someone  has suggested

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27 minutes ago, rhmilo said:

If this had been someone else’s album, I would’ve skipped it. But then I never like ae albums the first few times I hear them.

Unfair for Eric Elektrontwiddler’s two hour long set of Rytm noodling? Maybe. Guess benefit of the doubt is something that has to be earned.

Really? You never like AE albums from the first listen on?

That's a phenomenon that I have often heard of but never experienced. Usually I perceive an AE album the same way after 5 years of listening as compared to the first day of listening, roughly.
Of course certain details come out only after a while you have been with the album, but generally, the album doesn't change and therefore my perception doesn't change much.

Things are as they are and that's all there is to them. And that's congruent with my perception.

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35 minutes ago, dingformung said:

Really? You never like AE albums from the first listen on?

That's a phenomenon that I have often heard of but never experienced. Usually I perceive an AE album the same way after 5 years of listening as compared to the first day of listening, roughly.
Of course certain details come out only after a while you have been with the album, but generally, the album doesn't change and therefore my perception doesn't change much.

Things are as they are and that's all there is to them. And that's congruent with my perception.

Maybe I’m just slow 🙂

But maybe it’s a matter of taste. Autechre’s broad strokes always seem bland and flat, and, in the case of this specific album, too obvious. Their music really needs the details to give it depth and meaning.

 

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1 hour ago, Stock said:

Well to be honest, Silverside sprung to mind when I listened to SIGN the first time - but in a good way ! The whole album brings me back to Christmas 11 years ago when I bought the Quaristice / Amber double pack and started discovering Autechre.

Amber especially has been strongly associated in my mind to a winter vibe that I'm feeling right now, so to me this album sounds more like Amber's true heir than Oversteps offspring !

 

(also : Metaz form8 is Piezo 2.0)

I didn't know a Quaristice / Amber pack was thing? What was that about?

49 minutes ago, dingformung said:

Really? You never like AE albums from the first listen on?

That's a phenomenon that I have often heard of but never experienced. Usually I perceive an AE album the same way after 5 years of listening as compared to the first day of listening, roughly.
Of course certain details come out only after a while you have been with the album, but generally, the album doesn't change and therefore my perception doesn't change much.

Things are as they are and that's all there is to them. And that's congruent with my perception.

Oversteps and Untilted needed time to grow on me. Quaristice never really did although I love the live stuff from the period. Most of the others (beginning with ep7, for me) have clicked hard right away.

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A few weeks ago there was some speculation about this; I finally remembered to check it out.  The cover design for SIGN is indeed fluorescent.  Image below illuminated with filtered short wave ultraviolet light.  Non-fluorescent materials do not respond to this lamp, so any image present indicates a fluorescent response.  Note the background is nearly black, (not fluorescent).  Also note the white text appears violet, (a common response present in bleached white fibers such as paper or cotton clothing).  Lastly, the artwork is similarly fluorescent under long wave UV, so will fluoresce under a 'black light' but the separation will not be as clean, (grey sleeve will look dark grey/violet).

 

Anyway, it's a thing.

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2 hours ago, dingformung said:

Of course Max is freer than a DAW, if you know how to use it. My point basically was that a DAW doesn't fixate you onto a certain time signature and tempo, as someone  has suggested

also it's not as if ae pre sign output wasn't 90% 4/4 already anyway, so kind of a moot point imo.

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1 hour ago, tailings said:

A few weeks ago there was some speculation about this; I finally remembered to check it out.  The cover design for SIGN is indeed fluorescent.  Image below illuminated with filtered short wave ultraviolet light.  Non-fluorescent materials do not respond to this lamp, so any image present indicates a fluorescent response.  Note the background is nearly black, (not fluorescent).  Also note the white text appears violet, (a common response present in bleached white fibers such as paper or cotton clothing).  Lastly, the artwork is similarly fluorescent under long wave UV, so will fluoresce under a 'black light' but the separation will not be as clean, (grey sleeve will look dark grey/violet).

 

Anyway, it's a thing.  

Thank you for your work here.  Ian would be proud.

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9 minutes ago, eclipsis said:

that's very... practical feature for a record cover to have

Art for bees, among many potential purposes.  As an (un)intended side effect, I'm sure someone stoned will some day find it amusing, but surely it wasn't intended for that effect......  Much more realistically, the use of fluorescent pigments make for a more intense color as the visible light and fluorescent light responses combine.  That is precisely the effect of 'brighteners' in your laundry bleach and why every one glows on the dance floor.

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I think if this album were by someone else, my impression of it would be far more positive... I mean, I think it's really nice, not enjoying it quite as much as my favourite bits from exai-NTS, but I still really like it.

But imagine someone new coming out with something like M4 Lema as an opening track to their debut album?!? I would be EXTREMELY impressed. 

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4 hours ago, drillkicker said:

There are actually limits to what a DAW can do, though.  I don't think you can have a sequencer rhythm that's manipulated by an envelope follower coming from a different track, or if you can then it's probably extremely weird and difficult.  In something like Max it's simple and easy and you can go far beyond that without any restriction.  It's also very difficult to make tracks that use unconventional tonalities like non-octaviating scales in Ableton Live.

Using Ableton as an example is a bit strange, especially since Max for Live is a thing. 

3 hours ago, Stock said:

(also : Metaz form8 is Piezo 2.0)

Yeah, it brings back memories of listening to Piezo on acid, super beautiful.

11 minutes ago, springymajig said:

But imagine someone new coming out with something like M4 Lema as an opening track to their debut album?!? I would be EXTREMELY impressed. 

Right? I'd be thinking, "man these guys really nail the Ae-sthetic"

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On 10/16/2020 at 3:21 AM, xxx said:

"Metaz form8" is a melodic first degree relative of "Bronchusevnmx24". I don't have my tools with me but, depending on the key, the two could be crossfaded into an epic celebration of mechanical gloom. I searched the thread to see if anyone else had picked up on that but I didn't see anything.

That’s a really interesting observation as that’s one of my all time favorites of theirs - was just listening to it actually and thinking back, i can hear it now. Someone should really mash them together  

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On 10/17/2020 at 11:11 AM, apriorion said:

This album fits right between my copy of Steve Hauschildt's recent "Non-Lin" and Locust's recent "The Plaintive". All three are hitting me in the heart in complicated ways, accented by the grey, windy fall weather and cold house, personal struggles, work demands, political uncertainty, and the prospect of death. And I couldn't be more grateful for this. 

Thanks for that - these albums both sound really promising, albeit different vibes from one another. Nonlin sounds lush af so far 😿

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On 10/18/2020 at 1:45 PM, Alcofribas said:

possibly even reminds me or terry rileys “a rainbow i[n Cur]ved air”

interestingly, his debut composition is called In C, so maybe there is a connection (In Curve?)

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