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DerWaschbar

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  1. yeah that would be a bummer

     

    sort of in the same vein... something that stuck out as odd was that in the earlier timeline williams brother in law mentions he is paying $40,000 a day for them to be there. it sounds like a lot of money but then when you think of the size of that place and all the equipment and staff costs... the overhead in that place would be crazy. i just dont see how they could afford to run it charging people that little.

    i guess he does mention they are hemorrhaging money... but still! and presumably this is in the future. if you adjust for inflation assuming maybe this takes place in 50 years... idk lol

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    nah, let's shitpost instead about how he was a terrible human being which somehow justifies a cavalier attitude to American intervention. self-interested intervention which ends at simply removing him without doing anything to support and build up the country in his absence.

     

    part of me thinks it's sort of their plan to make a mess of the middle east as a way of keeping it suppressed but other part of me knows they don't really have a plan that's more than 2 parts when it should be 50 part plan.

     

    unintended consequences etc. "we'll take out the oppressor and then they'll become a peace loving democracy" derp.

     

    best thing we could've done was do nothing 70 years ago and let the place find its own destiny. same w/iran/saudi/etc etc ad nauseam

    We refreshed the Tree of Liberty tho

    we've been doing that for so long even when we don't have to.. we do it just in case.

    I'm probably more cynical, realpolitik tolerant watmmers but I have to admit even today the lynch mob-esque killing of Gaddafi was fucked up. His rein of Libya, relationship with the west, and legacy as a dictator is long and complicated. (copied from a reply within a post i made on reddit)

     

    TBH I feel uneasy about that being his fate. He was ousted out of power long after his worst abuses and ironically not as he became more distant and dangerous to the world, but right after his most cooperative era with the West. Yes the guy was about as bad as most cold war era eccentric and dangerous dictators get and I'm by no means a Qaddafi apologist, but the way the US and EU help kill him was a bit cheap. Despite all the shit he pulled in the 80s as a terror sponsor and warmonger in Africa he was a key collaborator with the US after 9/11: our relations warmed tremendously and he actively and voluntarily disarmed his WMD program. The same man the Reagan administration tried to kill in an airstrike was literally handshaking Bush in 2003. He became very close to the EU as an oil supplier and economic partner...and the West literally pulled a 180 on him when the Arab Spring occurred. The same man who was being courted and escorted to VIP functions in Italy by their PM was being attacked from NATO jets flying out of Italy just years later.

    I would of preferred to see him tried at Hague. Hell, even a sham trial and hanging would of been more apt. Instead NATO jets literally pinned him down to a highway culvert so a NTC lead mob could sodomize and humiliate him as he was killed. That's no way to transition from despot rule to a fledgling democracy, even in the context of an armed revolution, and feel any sense of pride and justice. In a greater context, if were to really intervene in the Arab Spring in 2011 for moral reasons, it would of been in Syria, not Libya, but the latter was a more apt opportunity for the West. I know realpolitik is what rules as policy in the middle east for strategic and pragmatic reasons, and the brutal way that Gaddafi was killed was essentially the means to an end of a historically brutal dictatorship in an oil rich North African country, but it's still a hard pill to swallow.

     

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    TLDR: Intervention in Libya involved the West literally ousting one of the most "reformed" dictators in existence, even if he was a eccentric and bombastic statesman. It was arguably a betrayal, quasi-assassination, and intervention of convenience.

     

    And just to reiterate: he was worth 200 billion dollars

    If he wasn't such a selfish fuck he could've done more good than Bill Gates 3 or 4 times over (with billions to spare)

    Fuck him...he was scum and the world won't miss him

     

     

    not exactly? forbes suggests the la times assumed national assets as his personal ones

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