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    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    my inner grammarnazi asserted itself

    On 9/12/2020 at 9:45 AM, Soloman Tump said:

    I remember North Korea announcing their first ever case.... then... a wall of silence.

    So many innocent people will be dead there.

    i understand your sentiment, but everyone who dies from coronavirus is innocent, no one deserves to die from coronvirus......

    eh maybe, maybe one guy..

    Now That Trump's President... (not any more!)

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    1 hour ago, Amen Warrior said:

    Slovenian prostitutes don't usually tend to also be skilled arborists or renovators of historic gardens. They have other skills though, like marrying punters for money and inexplicably becoming first lady of the united states

    not unknown to manicure a bush though. at least til she bags her mark, then get a stylist in

    Now That Trump's President... (not any more!)

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    On 9/4/2020 at 5:50 PM, ignatius said:

    yes, there are people this stupid who jump to conclusions and want to make everything a conspiracy. this guy could easily go down there and talk to the people who live there but he's a straight up coward and obviously would rather just make shit up to feed the trolls. 

    this place is a homeless camp. there are many like it in portland. this one is distanced due to covid. 

    also, it's pronounced WILL-LAMM-ETTE River. 

     

     

    is it stupidity or mendacity?

    Now That Trump's President... (not any more!)

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    12 hours ago, Nebraska said:

     

     


    not only do i agree with this guy, I find myself wishing god had sent a replacement trump in case something happens to the first one.

    Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk
     

     

    again, perhaps trump was sent by god, not to save america but to destroy it... ? like big boy was sent to japan to democratise it

    Now That Trump's President... (not any more!)

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    2 hours ago, very honest said:

     

     

    that's a good question. i could talk about the recent history of propaganda, and how the internet turned the information landscape upside down, and mutated it. for example, the 90s were more quaint, and the arrival of the internet meant that "mainstream media" became just one player, forced to compete with blogs and click-bait. any sense of responsibility that news executives may have felt for shepharding public opinion was removed, because people became able to browse information themselves, rather than just tuning in at 7pm to channel 7. the "mainstream media" transformed from more-or-less the only game in town into just another competitor. the forces that worked to corrupt the mainstream media now had a broader ecosystem to corrupt. the mainstream media became biased toward click-bait, because they were struggling to survive. people were disenfranchised by mainstream media and migrated toward internet information, and, in many cases, individuals ended up with much more deceptive information, depending on what they ended up looking at. so, it is different now, and more chaotic, and more complex. there was always some corruption and some deception, but mainstream media was also an old institution handed down from antiquity, which did include a certain conscience for wanting to guide the public to the extent it was able, and it had evolved and refined some good practices. now i encounter people who don't know the blogs they think superior to "MSM" are feeding them russian military intelligence disinformation designed to destabilize american society.

    but the part of your question i think is actually more interesting is the word brainwashing. it seems like a cartoonish idea, but it's actually something that comes to us from history. the 3rd reich has examples. the ww2 japanese army was pretty fanatical and kind of believed the emperor was a god. the north koreans are forced to believe a very sad and false set of information. i think the term "brainwashing" serves a purpose, as distinct from more regular mis-and-disinformation. there is a qualitative difference, when enough of a population believes fervently enough a set of information that is divorced enough from reality, and an environment is cultivated to maintain it. you enter a red state and it's very surreal and unsettling and everyone seems like a zombie. 

    wikipedia is an interesting case, when it comes to epistemology. the most-used resource is the open-source one, where anyone can write to it (kind of). the wikipedia people designed some systems to enforce accuracy, and have been largely successful. one of their guiding principles is to gravitate toward information that is verifiable. they do not think in terms of truth. to the designers of wikipedia, there is no truth, there is only verifiability. they seek to favor the information that is the most verifiable. 

    what's my point? you can hack verification. you put the same narratives in the facebook ads that are the narratives coming out of the mouths of the GOP politicians, which are the same narratives coming out of fox news, which are the same narratives coming from the president, which are the same narratives coming from rightist media, which are the same narratives being posted by inauthentic twitter accounts en masse.

    fox news, which showed up on the scene in 1996, strategized to be the PR arm of the republican party. by succeeding in this, they made themselves indispensable to the party, and now they actually are the spearhead. the other entities have learned that fox knows how to nose out the narratives that will fly with their audience, and those other entities have learned to pile onto those narratives. because these different actors in the ecosystem (congresspeople, fox, online content) parrot the party line, the consumer thinks they are verifying their info. this is brainwashing.

    it's spooky. it's hard to shake them out of it. they are pre-conditioned with defenses against the truth, like is done in cults! they're told not to trust the nyt, cnn, wapo, etc. they're told the democrats are lying about all their stuff, even when they're not. and these people in that bubble believe it, even though the sources they are told to distrust are more accurate, and the information they believe is false.

    i've been arguing about politics for a long time and i never had a sense of brainwashing like i do, these days, and i don't think it's me. i see how maybe it's difficult to know where to draw the line between brainwashing and non-brainwashing, but if you go hang out in north korea, you'll not miss the distinct quality.

    i've noticed waves of the effects of disinfo campaigns. all of a sudden, a lot of online posters are pushing a certain narrative or set of narratives that you know to be spin. to those who follow fact reporting, a big influx of spin narrative posting stands out. afterward, i learn about the disinfo campaigns that drove (or constituted) the posters. this is a new ingredient in society. twitter has reported that very significant portions of twitter content they believe to be inauthentic. there's no historical analogue to being inundated with impostors, pretending artificial identities, and calculatedly endeavoring to impart manipulative beliefs. i think that's another significant factor in the current state of information.

    we must evolve a social norm to value the skillset of being able to check information. that is the necessary adaptation to the change in the environment.

    are you familiar at all with wilhelm reich's 'mass psychology of fascism'? he sketches out how what he calls 'mystical' beliefs, such like drumpf is sent by god, are anchored emotionally in a mass of emotionally disturbed individuals. he wrote of the rise of nazism in 30s germany. its fascinating if disturbing reading.

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    Now That Trump's President... (not any more!)

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    7 hours ago, beerwolf said:

    The disgusting orange pig has traits on an epic level I find most foul in human beings (ignorance, arrogance, greed, compulsive lying).

    I have no idea why all of sudden I am beginning to hate him, I think because I've tried  to ignore him for so long, and just recently I've been doing a overtime shift in the afternoon and been listening to LBC radio when they do a half hour segment on American politics and I've heard some of his speeches and reactions. Two stick in my mind of recent one about Californians not sweeping up (wildfires) and some bizarre fucking rant about dishwashers!!

    I can't believe his opponent is some dude who looks like he's 200 years old, and he did a speech about 'the light and the dark'. Sounded like a disciple of Yoda!

    Feel the force!!

     

     

    These are not the presidents you're looking for..

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    Now That Trump's President... (not any more!)

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    On 8/7/2020 at 8:15 AM, ignatius said:

     

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-07/trump-fails-to-stall-rape-accuser-s-lawsuit-deposition-looms

    i wonder if the 2016 case will come back up? since she was actually deposed. 

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    and i wonder if ghislaine maxwell will confirm any of this stuff? was trump "wishing her well" a nod to "hey be nice and i'll pardon you?" 

    From the lawsuit, Jane Doe Vs Epstein, Trump

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000

     

     

     

    if true he should be publicly castrated. a bit medieval, but as the conservatives like to say, 'it sends a strong message'

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    Now That Trump's President... (not any more!)

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    On 8/4/2020 at 7:19 PM, ignatius said:

    he will not accept the results even if/when he leaves office. he will say up and down all day every day about election fraud, illegal immigrants voting in the millions etc etc.. and he'll be on TV, radio etc all the time. he's not going to go away. there will be rallies to support him even after he's gone. he'll probably hold rallies and charge people to come and still stiff cities on the bill for the security they provide. he could do some really dumb shit depending on how amp'd he gets. he could turn his idiot base into a militia and make a new political party or some dumb shit.

    but he could also just fade away a bit and focus on making all kinds of "the best deals" to make more money and drink more hooker piss. 

    I'm willing to send him hooker piss by the gallon if it keeps him occupied..

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    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    2 minutes ago, zero said:

    probably so, but it's not like you'd have to listen to her or anything. 

     

    lol I didn't even notice. 

    you must be a breast man! a nice ankle rocks my boat..a centrefold of ankles of the world.....drool

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