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zlemflolia

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  1. ai is powerless and useless without an embodied system performing work.  yeah maybe ai can "escape" and start executing sql injection against everyone but humans can already do that kinda of stuff and at best ai will expose vulnerabilities already existing, not supercede to become some alien overlord. 

    those who control the computing clusters control the AI, and those people are the owning class, whose status as owning class must be eliminated and proletarianized so that the proletariat can then abolish itself and let us be humans again not wage slaves

    all this AI shit is a distraction

  2. 2 hours ago, vkxwz said:

    I think that in the medium term the promise of AI is A) a great teacher that is an expert in every topic at a level of the best human expert, B) an excellent therapist on par with some of the best in the world, and C) able to help you as an individual make more informed and thought out decisions in general life choices through it's own reasoning and information gathering skills, all for a low price compared to comparable ways to get a tiny fraction of these benefits in the current world.

    While this doesn't directly work on societal issue such as universal housing, climate change etc, by giving people this power it will indirectly lead to these areas being improved. Everyone already working on these issue will be more effective. AI can be thought of as the meta problem, problem solving problem solving, if you have strong AI then your capacity to solve other problems is magnified.

    And while I agree there is a lot of bullshit surrounding the safety discussion, I wouldn't rule out the risks of AGI, if you have a simple solution to the alignment problem let us know.

    OpenAI is capped profit and is controlled by a non profit, obviously this doesn't mean that what you're talking about can never happen but it helps.

    And if it does go that way, it's not a 0 sum game, the general population can stuff get huge benefit from this stuff even if the "owning class" gets access to better models / sooner 

    i dont think its good for any of those things, and i think a lot of these "decisions" we all have to make are manufactured ways to force people into paths from which value can be extracted from them by not letting them have freedom afterwords or taking things away from them if they choose another path. 

    there is nothing more dystopian than an AI therapist, in fact i dont think there would be any point talking to it since part of the main purpose of a therapist is having a sentient human to talk to

  3. On 3/22/2023 at 8:28 AM, zero said:

    I know there is no way to stop the flow of technological progress. humans have an innate drive to keep advancing toward something. but what? we don't know exactly. something about making life easier, a better life for the next generation...I suppose. why not stop all this AI advancement and just be happy with what we have achieved technologically so far? why do we have to keep going toward something newer and shinier? IMO humans need to focus more on reality, truthfulness, what is right in front of us, instead of a life online. the natural world... AI advancements are going to make it nearly impossible at some point to discern what is reality, and what is a computer-generated version of reality. I'm already really creeped out by some of this AI porn crap I see. this is going to set off even more of a myriad of psychological catastrophes. the last 25 years of internet/social media have shown millions of humans are unable to mentally handle a digital version of themselves. AI is going to fuel more of an addiction to the online fantasy world, less on the real.

    but whatever man...this shit is all out of our control. next 40 years should be fun lol

     

    progress towards what is the most relevant question

    for some reason all this "progress" isn't towards:

    -universal housing, food, water, education, solving climate change, etc

    its mostly moneygrabs by corporations

    its not progress at all its bullshit and its not even technology, its garbage

    the idea of ai wiping out humanity is pure hubris and projection that the owning class may have something above them for the first time.  what they choose to ignore is that they are the ones creating this ai, not someone in a basement they pontificate about.  they have the massive datacenters and they are controlling huge workforces creating this stuff.  it's all them so their pretend cares towards Ai taking over humanity are full of shit, every billionaire is full of shit

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  4. a tangent but as long as there are resources being contested by various representative entities with leverage there will be resource deprivation and escalating conflict to resolve them, the conflicts will manifest in points of contradiction in the chain of production or geography.  the only resolution is the elimination of the contesting entities altogether and the planning of conflictless distribution and production through a unified system of harmonious agreement, hate to always end up saying it but it seems only capable of being done through socialism, which is hardly completely unrelated considering russia/ukraine's past and US's original anti-socialist aims with NATO

  5. 5 hours ago, Alcofribas said:

    this was good thanks

    however, it doesn't address this situation directly.  this situation is directly an inter-capitalist conflict between the Ukrainian and Russian bourgeoisie, fought by each's proletariat, and more indirectly it is an inter-capitalist conflict between the US and Russian bourgeoisie.  i don't think i would characterize it as a Ukrainian anti-imperialist national liberation struggle; when regarding the history of the event it's more clearly an inter-capitalist US-Russia proxy war being fought on Ukrainian soil

    what should be a Ukrainian proletarian's reaction? clearly accepting weapons from NATO and using them against Russia

    what should be a Russian proletarian's reaction?  clearly this document claims that it would be sabotage of the Russian military offensive

    what should be an American proletarian's reaction?  I'm not entirely sure how you differentiate it from the Russian's proletarian reaction.  what is the effect of pushing escalation of the conflict by encouraging NATO arms shipments to the Ukrainian bourgeoisie, apart from lengthening the war and making it more severe?  when you look at putin's claims as to why he started the war, the facts that were previously reported in even mainstream media pre-war, its clear that a naive interpretation of putin invading for fun or for ukrainian resources, as if there will be any left at this point, is not very meaningful, when clearly his statements were directed at biden and NATO

  6. dont see how becoming the latest weapons contractor cash cow by letting themselves be used in a US-Russia proxy war and destroying their country and killing so many people in the process is forging their own path, or other idealism.  and its not even the ukrainian state's fault, it's the US's

  7. i mean you can hyperbolize what i said if you want but all im trying to say is supporting the ukrainian government and NATO is not a flawless position and you are supporting a corrupt oligarchic state that just happens to be on the defensive (whereas it used to be on the offensive against its own citizens in decades long civil wars) along with imperialist NATO warmongers urging them on with weapons.

    the only side anyone should be on is the citizens, whose material interests are not necessarily aligned directly with one specific nation in this national conflict, but is instead aligned directly with whatever ends the war the soonest, no matter what national pride is bruised, and backing ukraine+NATO is not the clear position that will end the war ASAP unless you can convince me otherwise, and its now gone on how long? so clearly that didn't work well.

    why is ukraine drafting if the people themselves supposedly want to fight so bad?  no, the state wants to force the people to fight

    antiwar vs prolong the war on ukraine/nato's "side"

    I think the more moral position is clear

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  8. 6 minutes ago, ignatius said:

    have read several stories about children being stolen from ukraine and sent to russia to "become russian"  this is how you erase a culture..a  culture that putin doesn't think exists anyways. 

    seems, i don't know.. maybe.. just maybe a little.. ugh.. uncool or something. but maybe i'm wrong.. maybe putin and the oligarchs don't want to install a crony government and loot ukraine the way they loot russia all the while using gays as scapegoats to make plans to fuck with other countries.. no one should resist any of this. just let a mafia government take over and have its way because those guys stole all that industry and cash fair and square and they should have the biggest yachts and all that stuff.. pet tigers or whatever.. and those london banks should also make lot's of money laundering those billions and letting russian oligarchs buy huge mansions in london and stuff.. 

     

    i mean isnt that what the US and NATO already did

    im not trying to simp for putin, but sending the ukrainian government, one that was already massively corrupt, tons of weapons and extending this war doesn't help.  how can we tell whether it was preferable to let ukraine lose rather than prolong the war and kill more people and destroy more infrastructure, rather than go with the terms of their loss? we can't know, since the US and nato aren't interested in finding out to begin with since they fueled this

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  9. 2 hours ago, Walter Ostanek said:

    Yeah, those Ukes should just accept a brutal murderous occupation, a total lack of basic civil rights, and gangster justice meted out in basements. So that we can minimize deaths amirite?

    original terms of surrender did not involve occupation and theres nothing suggesting putin wanted to occupy or maintain an occupation.  you can say he would have just lied and ignored them but then whats the point of asking for them when clearly if he did that they would back out of the terms

    i cant even find them now since search engines are useless for finding information, probably on purpose, but i copied the list of terms early on in this thread and everyone thought they were so horrible, well they were very preferable to what has ended up happening.

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  10. if only ukraine had just accepted putins original terms of surrender and allowed independence of the regions they had been perpetrating civil wars against for a decade then there wouldn't have been this massive war.  but of course people will attack this statement with vulgar nationalistic pride in the ukrainian borders, or something, which were only drawn a few decades ago in some of those regions for administative reasons in the USSR.  these imaginary borders are more important than ukrainian and russian lives apparently. and people will attack me for saying it when the only goal of the statement is minimization of death, apparently something people urging on ukraine to keep fighting don't care about. if the ukrainian people wanted to fight this war they wouldn't need to be drafting everyone from young boys to transgender women into the war

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  11. 5 hours ago, ignatius said:

    had a discussion the other day w/a dude who sees cars as the ultimate form of freedom and see public transportation as the government trying to be everyone's daddy. he contradicted himself many times and i think it's one of those things where if the narrative changes to convince people it's ok to not drive your car everywhere every day and that taking the bus or light rail doesn't make you gay then he'll change his mind but for now he's fixed in the "they will never take our freedom" camp.. even though i pointed out that that freedom is only freedom to sit in traffic and pay for gas/roads/insurance etc when ideally hoping on a train to anywhere and not even having to look at a train schedule because it comes so frequently would be way more 'free'. 

    anyway... here in the states it's an uphill climb just to get people to even consider an option to the current way of living. and sure, there's pockets of resistance or people just doing it their way.. a better way.. a healthier way for themselves and the planet but they're the exception not the rule. 

    waking mainstream americans up to the idea of what a community actually is is going to take sledgehammers... or a big disaster where we all rely on each other. 

    its no surprise

    in the core of the empire of capitalism, the propaganda is so deep.  people vote against their own healthcare.  insanity.  but it makes sense when you look at the media and economic incentives people are presented with.

    2 hours ago, muttering mouth moth said:

    It's easy not to buy stuff when you barely make a living wage 

    Very interesting video.  Also, that bit at the end about buying new stuff to replace old stuff reminded me of Terry Pratchett's economic Boot Theory:  A wealthy man could spend a hundred dollars on a pair of quality boots that last him ten years while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would end up spending over a hundred dollars in the same amount of time, just replacing boots and still having wet feet.

    Lately I've noticed that I've been going through a lot of old socks and shirts and underwear very quickly because they keep getting holes in them and wearing out.  Things in general don't seem like they're built to last anymore and it fucking sucks. 

    one thing I notice is if you buy a specific product one day, then buy the same one again a year later, often that same product with the same serial number has degraded in quality significantly to become thinner or less durable.  it should be illegal and fine specifications on production materials should be part of the product, and substantial changes should requires a whole new product with a descriptive name.  of course, this wont happen under capitalism

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  12. its all getting so tiring

    i see no solution except workers seizing the means of production, building green mass transit, communal resources for everything, the list goes on.  the only solution is socialism and communism and yet people still argue against it.  i cant even be asked to argue with anyone still defending capitalism.  you are fascists.  there is no arguing or debating this

  13. On 3/4/2023 at 10:13 AM, ignatius said:

    adidas is trying to figure out what to do w/all the yeezy branded stuff. like $1 billion worth of yeezy shit. 

    i hate numbers like this.  it's not $1b worth unless they actually sell it for that, it's probably like $20m in terms of production cost

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