zlemflolia
-
Posts
6,046 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
8
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Blogs
Downloads
Store
Posts posted by zlemflolia
-
-
29 minutes ago, brian trageskin said:
there's a huge difference between adherence to a single political ideology vs. multiple ones - adherence to ideas that are shared by different sides of the political spectrum, to be more precise. in my experience, those who fall in the 1st category tend to be cretins who see the world in black and white, 99.9% of the time. i should know, i used to be one of them.
i don't see how forcing your idiotic one size fits all solutions down people's throats is a good example of critical thinking skills. sounds like the opposite of it, if you ask me.
how is socialism an "idiotic one size fits all solution"? do you even know what it is? it's worker control of the means of production. I thought on this very page we just went over how the current controllers of the means of production, the owning class, have been controlling it in a way that literally caused climate change over the past decades
-
1
-
-
6 hours ago, zero said:
dude...I don't know if this somehow gets lost in translation due to the fact we are conversing via text. I am not referring to his ideology and morals. for that, I am in agreement that Zeff has not stopped going on and on about communism on here for however long know. by "changing his tune" I meant the tactics he uses to argue against people on here. his outward display of arrogance, and not willing to listen to an alternative. that communism is the best and only way, and everyone else is wrong. that is what I am talking about! and it really seems you blindly ignore this, because of your agreement with what he says about the Marxist cause.
please stop going on about liberals and westerners. it comes across as very presumptuous and condescending.
and am I the internet capitalist you are referring to here? because if you read my previous posts, then you would see I said that I agree with Zeff, in that the current social / political systems do need to be overhauled.
people often have problems of "[not being able to stop going on about something]" and you've spent pages discussing "about" me rather than explaining why im actually wrong which i think u shud reflect on. maybe you are wrong and i'm right. i think you drastically underestimate the evil perpetuated at this very moment by capitalism through its lackeys the owning class
capitalism is the resource allocator, the labor allocator, the labor consumer, the labor value upward distributor, capitalism controls every aspect of our lives at a level so deeply intertwined into our reality that we don't even think it's there anymore if we have sufficient privilege to ignore it. could it maybe be that climate change is caused by capitalism? could it maybe be that the sequence of events that led us to climate change were caused by capitalism? look at cars in the US, once they became popular car companies lobbied the government to scrap old electric trollies, and they did it. imagine if they said fuck off and expanded them, and the same happened in every country, and cars were an oddity. one issue causing climate change solved, but capitalism forced us down this individualist path
-
1
-
1
-
-
18 minutes ago, brian trageskin said:
imagine the disappointment of having zeff as your son
-
1
-
-
29 minutes ago, zero said:
I agree with you in theory. but the individuals I was putting my foot down about not getting into a debate over, are known perpetuators of a societal change plan eerily aligned with early 20th century communism. this has been discussed ad nauseam on here over the years, and usually devolves into a back-and-forth finger pointing match, which I am not interested in getting into. if the individuals in question are open for debating sociological ideas in good faith, and not have it turn into a ill-natured "you're always going to be wrong, and I'm always going to be right" type affair, then by all means I am game.
but c'mon man...we've all seen Zeff do the same shit on here for how long now, and he doesn't seem to be changing his tune. I've said it before to him (in fact, I think in this thread) that I do agree with his line of thinking that the status quo is broken, and an entire overhaul of our political and social systems is absolutely needed. but pushing this Marxist stuff time and time again on here has run its course. why doesn't HE realize that you can't make that work in actuality, because y'know, humans are not wired like computers! corruption! all that. if he did explain a, let's say, 21st century version of a societal change plan, using elements of what was right from communism, then tweaking it and integrating more technologically relevant factors to implement amongst the masses, then THAT would be worthy of debate. but debating textbook driven marxism / communism on here time after time? I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in doing that.
>eerily aligned with early 20th century communism
Not very eerie, I am literally a communist
Anyway you think you are different? Pushing liberalism. I differ in what I'm saying so you say I'm "repeating it" or "pushing it". Are you not? Just because you believe in the status quo? If you focused more on what I'm saying than how I'm saying it your posts would be more constructive
-
1
-
1
-
-
18 minutes ago, Nebraska said:
i hope all CEOs watched this
this is what happens when you have nothing to complain about but you want to make yourself into a victim
-
1
-
1
-
-
On 7/20/2022 at 2:48 PM, zero said:
this is the global warming thread, so let's stop now.
climate change IS capitalism. they aren't separable. climate change is a multi-dimensional "hyperobject" [https://www.hcn.org/issues/47.1/introducing-the-idea-of-hyperobjects] one perspective of which IS capitalism, the dynamic system generating the environmental changes that themselves generate climate change in numerous unrelated and interconnected ways
-
2
-
3
-
1
-
-
40 minutes ago, zero said:
then everyone will be happier than pigs in shit
this is not about happiness, it's about making sure everyone is fed, clothed, housed, educated, provided healthcare, has democracy in their workplace, and has a government in place that meets their needs and does not allow an owning class to try to take control of the means of production, and climate change is solved, but for real, no BS carbon taxes or whatever
happiness is very vague, I don't care if people are "happy". make of this what you want, I'm sure you will interpret it very negatively. but happiness is not something you can legislate, only material reality is which generates that happiness. poor people will be very happy when they get free commie block apartments to live in finally, yes
-
please don't get me wrong, I wish I could have faith in electoral politics and I wish I believed we could just vote for the right people collectively and our various problems would be solved. it appears however, to anyone paying attention who is being honest with themselves, that this is not a solution at all, and that they simply will not let us do that
when we vote, there is no option to vote against billionaires. if we try, like with Bernie Sanders, a lukewarm social democrat, they will simply use their massive privately owned media apparatuses to make it appear that he's a joke of a candidate and that Biden is the obvious choice to beat Trump.
provide your alternative idea, what is it you think can solve this if not socialist revolution? what is your alternative? surely not bourgeois electoral representative "democracy"?
-
1
-
-
29 minutes ago, zero said:
what's the other option then? a violent overthrow with tons of civilian casualties? isn't that usually the alternative if you don't get acceptance? force your new system down everyone's throats, wipe out (i.e. kill) the dissenters, and then everyone will be happier than pigs in shit, right?
a peaceful overthrow will result in reactionary forces starting a civil war rather than abdicating their throne peacefully. you think that's the fault of those trying to achieve progress, rather than those perpetrating violence?
isn't it weird that you're defending a political economic order which you just admitted would become violent and murder civilians if people tried to take control to solve the climate crisis among other things?
not only that, but you admit they have no intention to solve climate change, and we know this will essentially kill millions of people and constitute genocide under a regime of effective eco-fascism.
revolution is unfortunately required.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/red-book/quotes.htm
A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.
“Report on an Investigation of the Peasant Movement in Hunan” (March 1927), Selected Works, Vol. I, p. 28.-
1
-
-
3 hours ago, zero said:
hey thanks man. look, I know I came at you a little hard in another thread... but I do agree with your assessment that the status quo of this bullshit capitalism regime is not working, and a different system is desperately needed at this point in humanity's existence on this planet. you are right in that the politicians (like Biden) only seem to provide lip service on any serious matter, and then no action ever takes place. BUT in order to change this, you have to have buy-in from all sides, and that seems next to impossible, since you know, politics and all...I do think a more collectivist social model as opposed to individualist is the way to go. but here in good ol USA, everyone is primarily concerned with the greater good and how it affects THEM and not everyone around them. so to get people like this to buy into a more collectivist or socialist model? good luck...
why? to appease the ghosts of the bourgeoisie who wrote that we need their buy-in in their documents?
-
5 hours ago, zero said:
yeah man, it's no joke here right now. "they" are saying this could be the 2nd worst drought on record, after the chaos that was 2011. I wasn't living here during that time, but my parents were, and heard all the nutso stuff that went on. trying to get hay for animals became some drug-dealing sorta do you know a guy to get hay from type affair. people's livestock in a lot of places in TX (and the world, of course) are their livelihood, and they get super fuckin stressed when droughts happen... the earth around me right now is sporting big time cracks. tree leaves are yellowing and dropping in mid-summer... I know back in the 2011 drought in Houston that Memorial park lost like 60% of their trees. this is all no bueno, and there doesn't appear to be any immediate solution. just more BS from politicians, who should NOT be running the show, if you ask me. we need like doctors/scientists at this point leading humanity toward a fix, and get politics out of the way. but will that happen? fuck no. we're gonna re-elect Trump in this fuckin place, and I will stop now.
so well said, the absurdity of our situation that inevitably comes about from electoral bourgeois representative democracy. do you see biden doing shit? no he isn't either. that's what we get when we elect the bourgeoisie, because they can just move somewhere where the weather's nice and buy food from somewhere else. the real world doesn't affect them. in other words, they are disconnected from reality
we need proletariat leaders. who are doctors and scientists? wage laborers.
>The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm
you asked, why don't doctors or scientists lead us? It's quite clear, they are wage laborers, their labor time is exploited and they aren't able to practice their profession as for example "global health doctors" or someone who takes authority to save the earth from the bourgeoisie destroying it.
only the proletariat are capable of being scientific. and achieving a scientific form of government: scientific socialism with aims of it leading to communism. only socialism can save our earth from the climate crisis, it's quite clear capitalism not only has no capability of saving us, but those who run it, the owning class, have no intention of even trying.
-
1
-
-
1 hour ago, Extralife said:
Well…here in Houston we have had something like 17 or more 100 degree days this year - shattering most previous heat records. My family and I literally only go outside if we can jump in a pool.
https://spacecityweather.com/tracking-houstons-100-degree-days-so-far-were-near-a-record-pace/I’m also hearing that crypto mining here in Texas is equal to the entire energy usage of Houston. Our “independent” power grid is literally on the brink because of climate change and crypto-bros.
FML.
using crypto a scapegoat for texas's systemic energy grid problems caused by privatization and profit motive is a joke and i see it done so often. yeah, crypto mining is somehow the problem. maybe the commoditization of electricity through private markets is the problem. clearly the solution is for the workers of texas to seize control of the means of production and turn off electricity for these crypto miners against their bosses' wishes
-
2
-
-
On 1/5/2022 at 7:49 AM, trying to be less rude said:
the collective insanity that has always underlied the veneer of normalcy has been weaponized in the information age, the dawn of which coincides with the doom of the greatest power the world has ever known - oil. the information insanity infects those who are spreading it. the objective is to get the oil industry to accept its doom. the alternative is that they will doom human civilization.
2022 is a big year. activate.
have you read philosophy books? what would philosophers think of the informational madness of 2022? things need attention. no one is at the wheel.
get the oil industry to accept its doom? who constitutes the oil industry? those who own the oil means of production. no one is at the wheel? the owning class is at the wheel. this is class warfare
-
1
-
-
12 minutes ago, Nebraska said:
i cant stand this guy
SpoilerSpoilerSpoiler
-
-
On 7/12/2022 at 2:03 PM, ignatius said:
FUCK, I repeat, FUCK this guy
-
2
-
-
5 hours ago, beerwolf said:
Agree. It’s odd when you hear news reports about how Ukraine can win the war on the BBC and then 20 minutes later see a map where ‘pink’ shows territory taken by Russia which is almost the whole Eastern flank of the country. So how does that add up then? I know I’m not the most academic of people but I’m quite sharp when it comes to sensing bullshit.
the massive propaganda surrounding everything from the ghost of kiev to the fucking goat of kiev and western backing of the continuation of this war so they can sell weapons reeks of bullshit and human slaughter on a mass scale, there are no good sides especially not the corrupt ukrainian dictatorship which refused to surrender to putin's terms which were basically "stop perpetrating war against donbas and crimea and don't join NATO"
-
1
-
1
-
-
i think you should also ask what motivated the ukrainian state to perpetrate war against russian border regions for a decade even cutting off water supplies to crimea which russia promptly turned back on again after invading ukraine. putin wanted to play hero liberating these regions and ended up with a bigger war than he thought. US+NATO back it as anti-russian proxy war and zelensky is stuck between domestic nazis who will kill him if he surrenders and nato who does not want a peace deal. just because the ukrainian people are the biggest victims here who need the most consideration does not mean the ukrainian state is not malicious and corrupt even in this scenario
-
1
-
-
its clearly richard
-
1
-
-
On 6/28/2022 at 4:49 PM, ignatius said:
ukraine needs an insurgency inside russia. blow up more train depots and ports and shit like that. i'm surprised no one's gone and blown up some of the pipelines that feed europe. they're accessible in some places judging by the maps.. but there's many of them.
https://i.imgur.com/K3dMGrA.mp4 -
7 minutes ago, zero said:
no, I'm saying it is pointless getting into any more discussions with you, since you do the same thing you always do on here when trying to have an actual meaningful discussion. time and time again you put words in other peoples mouths, and attempt to twist what others say to fit your bizarro world view that communism is the solution to everything. if you would like to actually discuss something in good faith, and not have it turn into SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU BELIEVE XYZ? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?, then please do so. otherwise it is a waste of effort. p sure most forum dwellers here know this, and made the smart move to back away and ignore you. I admit I got sucked back in when you started quoting me in threads after apparently your temp ban expired, now here we are once again. did you learn nothing from your time away from watmm? why did you even come back here if you're going to keep pulling this childish act?
for the record, I was being 1000% sarcastic on that stupid ass utopian flag comment, in case it wasn't obvious.
yikes
-
4:45 extremely disturbing "consider it my duty to warn those who are about to fall into a pit that the path they are on leads suddenly downhill" combined with his later invocations of Nazi germany in a comparison to trans affirming surgeons. he's talking metaphorically but given that Nazi germany literally used mass graves to store their murder victims including LGBT people it's extremely tone-deaf and bordering on Nazi dog-whistling
-
4
-
-
2 hours ago, zero said:
the turd is back in the punch bowl again
I guess you prefer not being called out on having not studied you're talking about?
-
1 hour ago, Satans Little Helper said:
Well, he does bring the stereotypical strong father figure to the table.
he comes off as a stereotypical dad complaining about rap music and kicking their gay kid out of their house
in other words, an absolute loser, who somehow rose to fame through manipulating social media to get attention for talking about every random popular topic and stoking reactionary hate towards oppressed groups
-
5
-
'Global Warming's Terrifying New Math'
in General Banter
Posted
this is capitalist dogma. you think that about yourself? you think that about me and everyone in this thread? you think that about the typical person? no, you're talking out your ass with your anti-human comments
you think humanity is naturally evil so we need to design society such that there is an owning class above us to oppress us into working for our own good? lol
freedom to own your own business lol interesting how you forgot to mention how this freedom is accessible proportional to one's wealth. so yes, you are COMPLETELY right, capitalism IS freedom for the bourgeoisie. that's the problem.