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was walking the dog this morning, and this lady runs up to me sorta panicky saying how her husband was walking their dog in the area I was heading, and he saw a big coyote that way. I was like oh yeah, there's one that lives across the street from us, I've seen him (I live across the street from a bit of a wooded area). then I kept on walking in the same direction I was heading. she looked at me sorta confused and did a little awkward laugh. as I walked off I thought does she think it will still be there when I get there? and why is she scared of a coyote? why is anyone scared of them? there've only been like 2 recorded deaths ever in N. America of people getting killed by them. the one that lives across the street from us I've seen several times, and have walked toward it when I saw it close once. it ran off, which is a good sign that it's fearful of humans. but I have seen it roaming around in day time hours, and I know that is a bad sign. people are gonna see it, and then probably want to kill it, fearful it is going to kill people, I guess. but the reality is it won't, it is human fear that will get that coyote killed.
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2 hours ago, ignatius said:
JFC Texas keeps racking them up in the mass shooting department... and the R shit heads running the state do nothing about it. even after the nightmare that occurred in Uvalde. gun restrictions? fuck no. give the citizens easier access to them! there is no beating this level of stupidity. it is at an all time high, and only going to get worse... 'merica needs like a spiritual revolution or something.
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1 hour ago, Summon Dot E X E said:
We definitely need to keep the ML we make tailored towards the existence of life, but I don't think that means creating an ML which has been created to have a thought process as close to a human as possible in order to put that ML in charge of important tasks.
I definitely don't think we should make something that acts and follows processes similarly as we do. but if you go all the way down the rabbit hole, we are the architect of ML, the concept of machines originated from human brains/thoughts. therefore there's some human fingerprints on this thing. and that's what is worrying about having machines that learn and will some day out pace our intelligence. we started it, but can't see where it ends.
1 hour ago, Summon Dot E X E said:You could have an ML personal assistant, trained on your personal data, who could give you advice on actions to take. A little angel on your shoulder, or devil.
dude that sounds terrifying lol. the ability for concepts like this to get completely abused by people is the reality here. and if the ML/AI things go into bodies that resemble a guy/girl, well...ever see that AMC show called Humans? hot AI housekeeper robot that eventually gets put into 18+ mode haha.
1 hour ago, Summon Dot E X E said:we don't need to solve this problem for ML to cause radical changes in human society.
we will never solve the problem of consciousness. for sure ML / AI will cause radical changes in society. I just don't think it's a good idea to create an "unnatural" intelligence, when a lot of questions about our intelligence - we don't 100% know the answers to. btw this shit is getting way over my pay grade in the philosophical department.
1 hour ago, Summon Dot E X E said:I'm pretty sure those changes are inevitable. Hope they're not too bad.
how's it go...the only constant is change? change is constant? something like that. one of those wisdom line items from the Buddha.
yeah, these changes we are talking about are inevitable. there is no stopping progress. we'll progress our way into our own graves if we have to! it's the human way. I too hope they're not too bad. but look around at everything in the world. a lot of bad shit out there, most of it is due to humans. even nature is pretty brutal. everything alive out there trying to put pieces of other plants/animals/organic material into themselves. passing it through the system, then somehow crapping it out. that's basically all life does maaaaan!
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2 hours ago, GORDO said:
like, what does it do? Anything? Everything? Will it run companies and countries? Will it gain autonomy and make decitions without input?
we know technological advancements of any kind all have a vague undertone of helping make human life easier in some regard. the same logic then should apply to AI, since it too is under the umbrella of technological progress. I know these questions you threw out there are rhetorical, but I agree that asking what's the point of AI, and how exactly will it help humanity (like we need some super granular answers here, not some vague marketing techno babble BS) is totally valid.
when I was younger (like 20's), I used to be in the boat that AI somehow advancing past human intelligence made sense from an anthropological point of view. humans have been at the top of the food chain for tens of thousands of years, only a matter of time before something overtakes us (I was hoping it'd be aliens. sad lol). the AI frankenstein thing that eventually overtakes us is by our own very design, is the icing on the proverbial cake (thanks human ego!). now I'm in the middle age phase, and think it's all pretty much just a total crock of bullshit.
humans from the get-go are deeply flawed animals, most of the daily activities everyone busies themselves with are ultimately pointless endeavors. everything is temporary. human emotion is based of off thinking, thoughts, and a shit load of times, our thoughts are totally wrong when compared to reality. and so we want to design an AI that somehow follows the human logic path, with all our confused emotion baked into it, will also ultimately be flawed.
we're never going to be able to reverse engineer consciousness, because we would first need to be able to reverse engineer what started the universe. creation! and then also be able to explain what happens after death. which no one is ever going to be able to do. so tinkering around with trying to design an "artificial" consciousness, when we can't explain our own, is just really fucking stupid. but humans be humans, got to keep pushing those goal posts further out, keep trying to outrun death. so fuck it. let whatever happens happen. we don't really have a choice here.
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the concern of course with Biden running again, is that he will turn away those highly coveted on-the-fence voters, and they'll do something stupid - like vote for chump. those (incredibly so at this point) undecided folks who somehow forget about all the shenanigans we went through with the kindergartner king in office... Biden should have the decency to step aside if he realizes the dems are gonna lose with him in the run. hell, maybe he will once those poll numbers start skewing toward the crazy R direction. I know Biden quitting in a presidential run shows weakness and lack of direction in the party, which is kinda my point here. how tf there is no one else with potential in the dems to run is crazy. but realistically, I know Joe isn't ever going to back down, since he's pushed out this image of being a fighter, and so we just have no other fucking option then.
politics of any flavor really suck. two party system sucks. one party system sucks. there is no solution here. just go with the lesser of the evils. there is no reason for any sane person to vote R at this point in time. I don't really care what party is running against them, I'm just voting for the one with the best chance to beat the R's. therefore I have no choice but to vote dem, since the other ones (green, libertarian) are never going to be realistic options.
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quick update on who all's taking part (so far) in the 2024 shit show - https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/whos-running-president-2024-candidates-democratic-republican/
sorta mind boggling the dems have no better option than to go with Biden again. are there no rising up and coming peeps that have their shit together team dem could get behind? Marianne is mentally unstable, RFK Jr has the name but is also an anti-vax whacko. I liked Kamala at one point, now she seems like a really long shot. seems like dems have had more than enough time at this point to coach/groom a well spoken stable candidate... maybe that's the issue. anyone who is mentally stable is going to stay away from the wanting the presidency. being president has become synonymous with being insane. donnie and all the red hats have sucked the legitimacy out of the oval office. bar is super low now. so fuck it. throw an AI chatbot into the race. that's where we're heading. let the fake AI things battle it out with the humans.
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On 4/8/2023 at 4:21 AM, tokn said:
My theory for Clark's development always was that he had a huge pile of amazing recordings (early LPs use a lot of real drum for example and he talked about this in early interviews) and kind of fed on this, until it was used up after the BR - TD - TF triology and since then he had some kind of writer's block or problem with coming up with something as meaningful - or simply didn't care and wanted to try to make money or reach out to other audiences. But yeah, maybe this white stuff is a better explanation, which would be super sad. Again, also with the "video evidence", I wouldn't make these assumptions without knowing him.
same could be said for a lot of musical artists really. there are no shortage of bands/producers that start off incredibly strong (and more than likely have a treasure trove of early recorded material), then fizzle once they've reached some level of success. human nature or something I suppose.
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sounds like the head inmate thought he could run the asylum. good to see a massive ego maniac like that get reality checked... but I have no doubt he will slither away and pop up again with his own Bannon style internet show. he created his own brand at FN, and now he has millions of red hat zombies addicted to the hatred/lies he promotes. I doubt this firing will cause him to stop trolling with all the stupid crap that is fueling the downfall of modern American society.
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6 hours ago, mcbpete said:
This place gets a cheeky nod at 00.23 - Don't know if it's a reference to our lack of BoC gullibility or lack of L-Event nowadays...
One bit I couldn't work out how he'd faked was getting the grooves to match the track-lengths - I'd assumed he just went through his collection and found an EP that roughly matched, I didn't think the madman would actually go as far as pressing the thing !
the narrator of this vid used the phrase "bock fans" lol. don't think I've ever heard that used before. B-O-C fans is what I always assumed they preferred to be identified as.
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first heard it in '99. dudes I was hanging around with back then heavy into the rave scene somehow had a copy. this was the burgeoning napster/CD burning era, so a lot of stuff I heard around then I wasn't sure where the hell it came from, some was of questionable quality. was this some bedroom producer trying to make a knockoff of something, I had no idea. anyway, I recall not being immediately taken by it at first. the stuttering beat on Telephasic Workshop seemed a little off to my Mowax/Ninjatune loving ears. I dug the more hip hop oriented beat stuff then, so the middle part of MHTRTC certainly had appeal. it was Pete Standing Alone that kept me coming back for more. the mid section kick drum break with hi hat interplay was just so fucking dope. that was it. the rest is history. down the warp rabbit hole I went.
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2 hours ago, ignatius said:
con man would be close to what he is but he does actually make things.. he's a salesman, a manipulator as much as anything. a troll. he's got an agenda and he'll meddle in whatever way he wants to get there.
for sure. he's an idealist. well thought out ideas are valuable/lucrative. that's where he's been able to successfully convince people he knows his shit, and to listen to him... I totally get the old adage of breaking a few eggs to get it right...but when you big picture it, what has he really done that has had a net positive result for all us? it seems to me he wants so bad to be a guy to change the world for the better, yet his ideas so far have crapped out after a few years. like Tesla had all this positive momentum when it launched, now it seems like overpriced garbage. Hyperloop? dead. these exploding rockets don't add a lot of confidence to Elon's good idea ability...IMO he needs to stick with one thing, work it through to success, THEN move on. he seems to want to conquer space travel, public transport, EV driverless whatever, all at roughly the same time at this point in human existence. the failures gonna outweigh the positives, damage his brand, and push him more to a laughable spoiled rich boy. only reason I say this is because I thought he had potential early on. now? yeah, not so much
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so...Elon's rockets blow up...his cars catch on fire...twitter's breaking/tanking after he touched it...his underground people movers in tubes project died... fair assessment at this point to say he's a total con man?
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1 hour ago, o00o said:
So the only reason to sign the petition to delay development on ai was because musk wanted to found a company himself: https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musks-new-artificial-intelligence-business-x-ai-incorporates-in-nevada-962c7c2f?mod=Searchresults_pos1&page=1
figures. odds seem to be favoring Alan Musk as the guy that starts skynet.
what evil scheme is he up to now -
https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-plans-ai-startup-rival-openai-ft-2023-04-14/
QuoteMusk has secured thousands of graphics processing units, systems that power the computing required for intensive tasks such as AI and high-end graphics, from Nvidia Corp (NVDA.O), according to FT. Shares of the chip company, which declined to comment on the matter, gained on the news on Friday.
some sorta get more rich plan to pay back the twitter $ loss I'd say. that and to rule the world with the other tech bro gang members
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/14/nvidias-h100-ai-chips-selling-for-more-than-40000-on-ebay.html
QuoteThe prices for Nvidia’s H100 processors were noted by 3D gaming pioneer and former Meta consulting technology chief John Carmack on Twitter. On Friday, at least eight H100s were listed on eBay at prices ranging from $39,995 to just under $46,000. Some retailers have offered it in the past for around $36,000.
Musk + Meta bros + a bunch of GPUS / chips = skynet when
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I think there's been enough proof by now that furthering along AI is only going to lead to more things on the "bad" side for all of us, rather than the good. greedy humans will fuck it all up as usual, think only on how to utilize AI for personal gain/capital, with some half-baked BS about how this will somehow be helpful. yes I know we are not even at "real" AI yet. but by the time we get there, it will probably be similar to a fckin salesperson trying to sell us stupid crap we don't need... and maybe we won't even know if it is some actual AI consciousness or some AI lite chatbot, because we will have all been so desensitized to this nonsense by then. and then of course we can't even define our own consciousness, so it's just a great fckin idea to invent an artificial version.
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lol - https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/04/melania-trump-statement-ai-chatbot-meaninglessness.html
QuoteFirst Melania Statement Since Trump Indictment Is Black Hole of Nonmeaning, May Have Been Written by a Chatbot
AI chatbots for the win!
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yeah bud light is the worst tasting beer anyway. my generic American piss beer ranking goes something like this:
miller lite > michelob light > coors light > bud light
here in TX we have shiner light, which is very decent
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Robot helps spread Buddhist teachings at a Kyoto temple
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14861909
Quote“Modern technology has shifted to printing, the internet and AI (artificial intelligence),” Goto said. “It is high time for Buddhist statues to speak and look into people’s eyes.”
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14 hours ago, zlemflolia said:
being willing to put ourselves below the machines and not put them back in their place - to serve our needs, not for us to serve them.
and then there's those Kurzweil type transhumanist dudes, who believe that it is a natural evolutionary progression to let the machines supercede human intelligence, and willingly WANT them to climb above humans in the food chain. y'know those wild theories that AI robots are gonna be the "children" created by humans, to take over the planet and run the show, because we've gone as far as we can go with it. we've fucked the place well and good now, so we need to become slaves to them, let the next gen super intelligent AI whatever take over, and they of course will know what to do. ha!
I don't believe this btw. but the fact that there are crazy humans out there have no problem with letting some misguided version of AI run wild out there, is what is the real threat to humans. once again, crazy delusional humans are the enemy...
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I see one good by-product of this recent frenzy of AI news, is that it hopefully has got people thinking more on the philosophy of life. maybe future AI nightmare scenarios scare enough humans into waking up, really ask why we need an "artificial" intelligence at all. if there's fear/anxiety about it now, then what do you think it will be like later when minds are locked in some AI run dead mall / retail hell / matrix la-la land metaverse?
IMO we all need to remember we are animals that through evolution took thousands of years to get where we are today. we started from the elements, grew limbs, brains, then all the rest happened (capitalism lol). if all the electronics we're all addicted to went away, we need to be fine with this. they're helpful, yet distracting devices, that IMO have done more harm than good to the human pscyhe. can't stop it tho. just gotta keep technology from taking your mind to a dark place, best to keep that in check. and keep on surfing the reality wave. keep on paying close attention to the present moment.
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22 hours ago, trying to be less rude said:
it's quite clear that donald worked hard to help covid spread, consciously, to help set the stage for his coup.
no doubt he didn't give a fuck about people dying from covid, and his lack of taking it seriously led to unnecessary deaths. but based on some stats I loosely remember, wasn't his base (or R's) one of the groups dying more from it than his enemies, the dems? if he could have steered covid to spread anywhere, I would think it would have been to target the dem population, and let his brothers in arms survive so they could vote him back in. if he consciously spreads the rona to his base, then he loses soldiers for his coup, no?
sorry it wasn't exactly clear to me the correlation you were making. the coup (at least to me) seemed to come more out of desperation, rather than some machiavellian level scheming donald had concocted before the election occurred. trump chases the ball in whatever direction it goes in. then he lies/cheats/bribes to get his way, whenever the proverbial balls starts to veer away from the goal. maybe at one point a long time ago he had the scheming part more down pat, could see moves ahead. but he's stretched way too thin now, his mental capacity for that crap I think is gone. he's bull in the china shop donald now, a completely toxic stupid human being.
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so now we wait...and wait...and wait...for this to get dragged out in the legal system for even longer. donnie's lawyers file appeals, or whatever they do to make this drag out more. this is where donnie's carny smarts prevail...have allowed him to survive all these years as a con man out in the open. twist the legal system around and around and around so everyone is so confused, meanwhile donald slips out the back door.
sadly, I don't think there will ever be true justice for what trump has done to America. you could argue if it wasn't him, would have been someone else of his ilk. that he was elevated through the disgruntled maga population, and if not donnie than someone else would have been in his place. but it wasn't someone else, it was trump. and he deserves to be hanged in public for the hatred/violence/bigotry he has sought to normalize in this country. but that won't happen. he'll never get the prison ass rapings or cartel style torture he deserves. instead, he could very well come back from all this, and eek out another term. zero lessons learned. modern day reality is such a fuckin trip man.
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5 hours ago, ignatius said:
i'm trying to stay open minded about it all and listen.
that's it right there. some of my closest IRL friends are Russian, and it's a slippery slope discussing the Ukraine situation. one of them is still very pro Russia, despite living in the US for decades. most of his immediate family are still back in the motherland, all brainwashed under the regime. I try and put myself in his shoes when talking about this, and remember that any Russian person anywhere now has to discuss this confusing clusterfuck of a quagmire situation their home country has decided to get into. IMO Russia and Russian people by default are not bad, their mafioso crazy person led government are bad, and have knowingly warped the minds of millions of their citizens. when my friend says stupid shit like Ukraine will become a vacant country, or other such propaganda fueled delusions, I don't argue, and normally try and highlight basic non-violent universal principals such as killing civilians is wrong, pointless destruction of apartments/houses is wrong, war in general is wrong, etc.
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1 hour ago, zlemflolia said:
the idea of ai wiping out humanity is pure hubris and projection that the owning class may have something above them for the first time. what they choose to ignore is that they are the ones creating this ai, not someone in a basement they pontificate about. they have the massive datacenters and they are controlling huge workforces creating this stuff. it's all them so their pretend cares towards Ai taking over humanity are full of shit, every billionaire is full of shit
I'm with you on this. the idea of AI wiping out humanity is a bit of sci fi humor to me. I see the irony in these tech associated big wigs like Musky jumping on this bandwagon that AI development needs to be stopped, or slowed down all of a sudden. and the idea that various government's across the planet will have to step in and regulate AI somehow is even more ludicrous to me.
and yes technological progress has not solved any of those glaring problems like food shortages, housing, income inequality, or climate change. the overarching vibe regarding humanity is that shit keeps getting worse, rather than better... but it's good to keep in check that humans have been saying "shit's getting worse" for thousands of years now. of course now everyone can plaster their unhappiness/negativity all over the internet, so it's in our faces a hell of a lot more. staying above all that is all we can try and do.
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elon, woz, and a bunch of other dudes are asking nicely here - please sign this petition to stop AI from wiping out humanity:
https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/
Quotewe call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4. This pause should be public and verifiable, and include all key actors. If such a pause cannot be enacted quickly, governments should step in and institute a moratorium.
hmmm...which will win....capitalistic AI labs...or the greater good for the rest of us. stay tuned!
I wonder what all the great governments on this planet will think about this "institute a moratorium". ha!
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AI - The artificial intelligence thread
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thought this was an interesting article on how an AI chatbot helped improve performance for newly hired tech support call center reps:
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2023/05/02/1172791281/this-company-adopted-ai-heres-what-happened-to-its-human-workers
I worked a tech support job a long time ago, and can totally relate here. tons of turnover with the front line reps. I was like 2nd/3rd level support, and front line reps used to have to call me to walk them through stuff. these dudes can now chat with an AI bot, therefore reducing the need for higher paid longer tenured reps.
bottom line:
people who think deeply and/or value wisdom/altruism = AI sucks! it will enslave us all! stop it now!
the herd = AI's great! give us more! it's helping us so much!
con men, capitalists, sales people = what's AI again? oh well, we'll push it out to the masses asap! sell sell sell! fuck over anyone in our way! make as much $ off AI as possible!
this is how it will go. I already see this shit playing out.