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@IOS assuming i am right about that tuplet stuff, it's pretty obvious how that last segment works - i mean, i have no idea how to analyze it in terms of time signature and shit but the "mechanics" of it is pretty simple:
when we get to the 5th beat of the last bar (the 5th quarter note i guess), we hear these tuplets - as i mentioned earlier, 6 of them (sextuplets i guess?) fit into the space of 5 16th notes (this way of putting it seems more accurate than what i previously said though).
whatever the time signature is at this point (5/16 maybe? idk, i suck at this), we're not in 6/4 anymore. and the pulse is now set to the tuplet grid, instead of the former subdvisions - hence the weird timing when we get back to the 1st bar. had the snare rush consisted of 10 hits instead of 8, it would be a different story, as the pulse would still follow the former grid with its 16th note subdivisions.
all this to say: time sig pls
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- brian trageskin, PhD in art history and music theory
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11 hours ago, prdctvsm said:
^ q similar to richard diebenkorn :
yeah they were both labeled as bay area figurative artists and were close friends apparently. their works seem quite different though, imo. thiebaud's surreal landscapes flirt with illustration, whereas diebenkorn's landscapes are more abstract, yet more realistic. imo.
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oh great, another lame-ass afx copycat. just what the world needs.
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holy crap, i just noticed this. it might be tuplets after all, combined with a time signature change - or something:
6 16th notes fitting into the space of 5
coincidence? i think not.
the plot thickens.
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nice. i hope you now understand why i mentioned tuplets. but yeah, it's just a segment at a different tempo, not tuplets. anyway that was fun. thanks again for the notation.
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i meant "faster" actually, not "accelerating". the segment with the snare rush is at a faster tempo than the rest of the bar, which explains why the 3rd bar is slightly shorter than the other 2. i'm 300% sure of this.
i don't know how to sync a click track to the tempo of an audio file so i just used my ears, but that tempo change is pretty easy to detect at normal speed, and it's even more obvious when you slow the audio down. can't you hear it?
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thanks for this!
so if i understand you correctly, your explanation is that the tempo is slightly accelerated during the snare rush, nothing to do with odd-numbered tuplets or anything, correct? this is my current explanation btw.
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9 minutes ago, IOS said:
woah, the meter is in 6/4. quarter note speed around 147-150.
I'll do a piano roll transcription of the drums in a few hours when I get back.
haha cool. yeah i was asking about the snare rush in the last bar, not the time signature, idk if that was clear. apologies if you got that the 1st time and you just need time to analyze the tuplet thing and the meter trickery in the last bar. i mean i did slow down the audio in audacity and tried to figure it out myself but since i don't know the 1st thing about rhythms and have the attention span and patience of a 3-year-old, i quit after 30 seconds or so lol. anyway i'm curious to see what you come up with.
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i checked out the tonnetz for the 1st time and you can clearly see the cycle of 3rds on it. you just have to move through the grid like this (or in the opposite direction):
minor triads are the triangles pointing downwards, major are the ones pointing upwards. it's just a different way to visualize it. yes, i am bored to death.
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1 hour ago, jaderpansen said:
@IOS what kind of tuplet is this? also it sounds to me like the last bar is shorter by a tuplet actually, if that makes sense. please explain.
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which are considered music and not though
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last post:
the concept i was referring to is the act of moving up or down the circle of 3rds. yes, there is such a thing and i kinda feel stupid for not knowing about it until a few minutes ago. it is formed by alternating major and minor 3rds (i'm just quoting an article here).
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OCD kicking in. i reread this:
On 5/20/2022 at 7:35 PM, brian trageskin said:the concept i mentioned is interesting though, stacking thirds up or down a chord, regardless of its function.
and realized i've made a careless mistake. that's not what i meant. i meant the concept of removing the bottom note of a major or minor chord and playing the 3rd above the top note, and so on and so forth. i guess i made this mistake because as i mentioned earlier itt, if you keep adding 3rds in the opposite direction (below your chord), you'll get a new chord each time. but you won't get a new chord if you keep adding 3rds on top of your chord, you'll just get an extended chord. duh.
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edit: in which 12tone lists and names every possible relationship. to label doesn't mean what i thought it meant. i'm just being anal, i know. no one cares.
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super cool video in which 12tone lists and labels every possible relationship between 2 triads - major and minor only - regardless of tonal function.
mediants are mentioned btw, i.e. the chord relationships chim and i have been talking about.
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1 hour ago, Zephyr_Nova said:
Haha that's awesome! I am interested in you finishing what you started.
i will if the neighbours stop being so noisy, i can't focus on anything when there's too much noise around me.
btw i don't know why i mentioned "the odd modulation" in the tune like it's something challenging, cause it's really not. the only modulation in the tune is a section in Db major, so basically Bb minor (the home key) moving to its relative major. no key signature change. super basic stuff. this is exactly what chim was talking about earlier btw, tonic chords moving to their relative major or minor. some schools of thought disagree that you can substitute both chords in minor keys, they say that the relative major has the subdominant function, but most people say they both have the tonic function. truly fascinating, i know.
1 hour ago, Zephyr_Nova said:You should post a vid of yourself playing the song after.
hell no. it's not like i've learned how to play the chords and the melody simultaneously, i just play the chords and the bassline and it sounds very boring.
1 hour ago, Zephyr_Nova said:One day I will get to that maj chord thing. It'll be when you least expect it. Like... you'll wake up one day, and my favourite chord will be there, standing over you.
it would be hilarious if after all this time, you told me your fav major voicing is C E G.
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3 hours ago, Wunderbar said:
Im definitely trying to work towards oil paint aswell. I never heard of oil sticks before might have to check it out down the road since oil paint can get pretty expensive.
well, oil sticks are pretty expensive too unfortunately. depends on how agressive you are with them though. think of a butter stick. it can last more or less time depending on how much you spread it on the surface and it gets more malleable depending on the temperature in the room.
3 hours ago, Wunderbar said:Im definitely trying to work towards oil paint aswell. I never heard of oil sticks before might have to check it out down the road since oil paint can get pretty expensive. The stuff im interested in is paintings with bold colors like u would see in fauvism movement or expressionism / post - impressionism ( to my knowledge ),Or more abstract/ surrealism stuff. Artist i really like are : André Derain , Ernst Ludwig Kirchner and van gogh ofcourse. But i find Hermann David Salomon Corrodi more realistic depictions of landscape really beautiful as well.
never heard of corrodi. quite beautiful indeed.
3 hours ago, Wunderbar said:But im still at the beginning im just at learning perspective which is like the first thing you do, So its going to take a while.
learning perspective sounds fun. cool.
3 hours ago, Wunderbar said:Do you have any favorite artist / paintings ?
my fav artist is merlin carpenter. are you asking me my fav painters or my fav paintings?
3 hours ago, Wunderbar said:In what way was your brother's friend influential ? You mind sharing any of his works.
he's influential in that he's not a nobody on the art market and works with top galleries. he's no jeff koons but i guess he's well-known among the new generation of painters. i won't say his name though, i don't want him getting doxxed (better safe than sorry)(not by you btw, i trust you).
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3 hours ago, marf said:
Ive played around with theory. Its nice to know some things for chords, but unless you know it front to back / inside out. Even be able to read music, You are bound to get something wrong and then the point is lost.
So I just use my ears.
i certainly agree that mastering the basics is key (pun intended) - i should know, i have many gaps in my knowledge of basic theoy that keep me from progressing. but even with those gaps, a sketchy understanding of theory is still preferable to zero understanding in my book. i'd rather have a tool than no tool at all, even if i don't know how to use it properly. sure, i'd be better off learning how to use the tool properly, but i'm already happy with what i'm able to do with my sketchy knowledge. very happy. which is the most important thing.
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coincidence? i think not.
video game music thread
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i just realized this is rather confusing and self-contradictory. it's getting late though, i'll correct my mistake tomorrow.