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    Million Dollar Extreme's Youtube account got pulled down

    in General Banter

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    you should stop posting for 40 days and reassess your presence and activity on watmm.

    Why on earth would I take your advice on how to behave?

     

    Y'know, when we act cynical and sarcastic with each other,

    we might consider whether we're actually trying to make the people around us have a better time or a worse time

     

    If you had asked me that a few years ago

    I would've said "of course I'm interested in making things better"

    All the while looking for any excuse to be nasty and dismissive and resentful and petty and undermining

    (I'm still that way but I am working on it)

     

    Anyway, I've changed my tune on sincerity and insincerity

    And their effects

    I'll leave my argument on that note, I guess

    Cheers

     

     

    You know how in stereotypical movies there is imagery of creepy people smiling way too much walking towards you?  As if they're crazy?

     

    This is a real thing and it applies to things like this on a lesser scale too

     

    Yeah we all know the Holocaust was bad, but if you bring it up at every moment while people are trying to have harmless fun, we'll all think you're a bit off.  We get it, we know.

    AE_STORE Is Live!

    in Autechre

    Posted · Edited by Zeffolia

    I need to start putting money aside purely for autechre expenses 

    LOL

     

    And I just bought the new poster fuck yeah.  Gladly donate a bit to the robseanchre twins

     

    If I was a multibillionaire I'd buy a few mil worth of elseq digital vinyls

    Million Dollar Extreme's Youtube account got pulled down

    in General Banter

    Posted

    People totally lose the nuance in their humor. The best comedy always tackles truths that we're uncomfortable with and while they don't always hit the mark, MDE tackle some great stuff that stays largely untouched. The hyperbole is on overdrive though. There is claims of "journalist attacks" that are actually just Tweeted memes. Come on mang. I understand that anti-Semitism is not funny on the main but Pepe and Kristallnacht can never be made equivalent.

     

    Exactly, they cover things other people don't bother to cover or who are scared to.  The baby in a stroller scene, dad crashing through the window

     

    They make it abstract without being lolrandom, the little interludes with weird electronic music are great, the music in general is great

     

    The scripts are so good that even though the acting is often laughably horrible, it's still amazing

     

    i love this show

    AE_LIVE

    in Autechre

    Posted · Edited by Zeffolia

    these are basically all i listen to now 

    best ae of all time imo

     

    just can't even describe it.  it has revolutionized my view of music more than anything else ever

    Blade Runner 2049

    in General Banter

    Posted

    I can't wait to see this then realize it was shittier than I ever imagined it could have been, then go home disappointed in humanity and try to numb my mind to avoid committing suicide over the cinematic atrocity that I just witnessed

    Vinyl Represses!!

    in Autechre

    Posted · Edited by Zeffolia

    I don't think Tri Repetae or Amber sound dated.  I think when you listen to AE_LIVE and then listen to Tri Repetae it becomes apparent how it is still ahead of its time.  There are so many parallels.  

     

    What really blows my mind which I don't see discussed much here is the soundboard: Flex - Vienne [1996-02-16] - a Tri Repetae era one

     

    It is just so progressive (progressive as in changing, not any other connotations) that it really is like for me the closest thing to AE_LIVE that they've made before AE_LIVE.  Idk what I'm saying.  It's just so good.  Closer to AE_LIVE than anything else they've made AFAIC

    Vinyl Represses!!

    in Autechre

    Posted

     

    I think the  :braindance:  Department of my brain is going to internally implode on itself and then instantly explode out of my earholes and bell end when the needle hits the sonic canyon of this IDM kraken

     

    So beautiful, I love ae's style of melancholy which is almost a superposition of euphoric and sad

    Proof of Animal Consciousness Thread

    in General Banter

    Posted

     

     

    Yes, but what should we tell them to do?

     

    You say "what their training data suggests they SHOULD do"...you need to have an aim/goal/values to have a "should"...and they (aims etc) won't just magically appear...they need to be put there by humans

     

    So again, we're back to WHAT goals/aims/values should be picked, and we're back to the need for philosophy and ethics and all that

    Maximum number of lives saved. What other option is there. Maybe we can be a bit objective-erring-on-the-side-of-becoming-immoral and apply weights to individual lives as well. Save the President over two murderers.

     

    Realistically though if every car is self driving and we outlaw non-self-driving cars we can make it so no accidents will ever happen. Every car can scan the area they're in constantly, above and below, in front and behind on each side, and share that information over the internet with every other car in the world. And literally they can avoid all accidents. Computers solve problems like this all the time with concurrent scheduling algorithms, it's stupidly easy for them

    I don't know if you're making a subtle joke or what, but the Utilitarianism vs Deontology debate has been around for a long-ass time...

     

    there are some serious problems with "save the most amount of lives" as a moral heuristic...if that were the Highest Good, then we would be morally obliged to (e.g.) kill ONE person and give his organs to FIVE people on a transplant waiting list

     

    In short, should we ACTUALLY be pushing one person off a bridge to save the five people down below? Or do we as individuals have a right not to be pushed off bridges for the greater good, or have our organs stolen to save the many?

     

     

    We only have the right to resist them pushing us without feeling bad

    Proof of Animal Consciousness Thread

    in General Banter

    Posted

    The real issue of artificial intelligence is that it is impossible to 100% probe the range and domain of a sufficiently advanced decision making system to test its behavior.  You can't see "Hey it's trained in this way so it will do this, and we can now verify it probably won't do this" and trust it, and you cannot brute force it because the domain is too large, the universe would die before we can do that.  You have to add in manual overrides for output behavior which limit the decision making abilities of the system.  That's my understanding, I haven't studied the topic as much as I should have.  

    Proof of Animal Consciousness Thread

    in General Banter

    Posted

    Yes, but what should we tell them to do?

     

    You say "what their training data suggests they SHOULD do"...you need to have an aim/goal/values to have a "should"...and they (aims etc) won't just magically appear...they need to be put there by humans

     

    So again, we're back to WHAT goals/aims/values should be picked, and we're back to the need for philosophy and ethics and all that

     

    Maximum number of lives saved.  What other option is there.  Maybe we can be a bit objective-erring-on-the-side-of-becoming-immoral and apply weights to individual lives as well.  Save the President over two murderers.  

     

    Realistically though if every car is self driving and we outlaw non-self-driving cars we can make it so no accidents will ever happen.  Every car can scan the area they're in constantly, above and below, in front and behind on each side, and share that information over the internet with every other car in the world.  And literally they can avoid all accidents.  Computers solve problems like this all the time with concurrent scheduling algorithms, it's stupidly easy for them

    Proof of Animal Consciousness Thread

    in General Banter

    Posted

     

    I have a prediction:

     

    Philosophy will become massively important to society in 10-15 years

    As we enter the age of automated cars, gene manipulation, solving aging and perhaps ultimately (natural) death

    We will see the need to apply humanity's philosophical knowledge to more and more

     

    How should we program automated cars to act, when (say) faced with the choice of smashing into a crowd of people OR driving off the road and probably killing the driver? In short: should your car kill you to save 20 people? Would you buy such a car? Would you want OTHER people to buy such a car, knowing that you could be among those 20?

     

    When we are faced with these dilemmas, we will then see the importance of all these cheeky little thought experiments that philosophers like to putz around with, like the Trolly Problem. (And anyone wishing to weigh in will need be fluent in these thought experiments?

     

    Another name proposed for thought experiments was "intuition pumps"

    Which is much better name

    People hear the term "thought experiment" and they immediately think of college stoners discussing the Matrix or whatever

    Whereas in reality, thought experiments are literally the ONLY tool for learning about certain of our intuitions, our values, our cognitive shortcomings, our misperceptions, etc

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    I ve thought about self driving cars and the trolley problem ... like should those vehicles be programmed to bump the fat guy in  front of a trolley to save the kids ...  taking in account it could calculate the physics and probabilities much better faster and more reliably  than a human .., on the other hand, when the cars automobiles were invented, suddenly it came very easy to kill people by accident, by negligence or omission and going by the old laws there would have been a lot of "nice people" doing time ... my understanding is that there wasn't any extyra demand for philosophy, it was resolved politically or by legal adjustments .... I've also thought about the life extension immortality business ... suppose it becomes reality, the treatmentm the pill would cost let's say 1000 dollars a day ... how could you  protect the industry against cheap generic pirated equivalents, or Canadian imports

     

     

    I think it's pretty simple - they will do what we tell them to do, or what their training data suggests they should do.  There isn't some objective answer that an ultimate intelligence could discover.

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