Rubin Farr Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 this movie was such a mess, holy shit the editing was awful. i really had high hopes for such a good director to try something new. forget the fact that the entire red herring plot was spelled out in the first hour, it just kept dragging along in the 2nd half and could easily have lost 30 min to make it a tighter script. this film was delayed 4 months to help the studio in the next fiscal year, so they should have forced Scorsese to edit it down a bit and make it better. Leo's overacting was painful, and the visuals were really the only saving grace. a big disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gary C Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 About 10 minutes in so far. I think I know what the twist is already, but it's not very well done if I'm correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JohnTqs Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 really because roger ebert gave it 3.5 stars. but i haven't seen it. how will i create my own opinions on films when he dies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxing Day Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I don't think it was a twist .. I truly believe He was Teddy the US Marshall .. If i learned something from watching Darren Brown is that subliminal suggestion is everything .. Since he got on that Island . Gandhi , The Nazi , The Nurses , the patients .. and even his partner were suggesting stuff to him , they created the story of the fucked up Mother to use it against him in the end .. the Doctor in the Cave and rorschach were right .. they manipulated him (With drugs , suggestions , etc) .. He was investigating a top secret experiment .. he was going to expose it .. that is more enough reason for them to keep him on the island .. MK Ultra was real , the government does this kind of top secret experiments all the time .. (Cold War Oh .. THE LOBOTOMY AND THE LIGHTHOUSE EXPERIMENTS WERE ACTUALLY HAPPENING !!! People trust the government too much .. that is why You assume the "Twist" was the truth .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vodor Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 i really liked it. entertaining. i thought leo did just fine; didn't find any problem with the editing. i didn't find the ending to be predictable, but it wasn't very surprising either, and kinda cheese, despite how seriously it wants to be taken. it was still fun. it's a pure psychological thriller---not very horror at all. ost was good. thumbs up, 3.5/5, would watch again, especially ... (no specific spoilers, but as someone who dislikes even mild spoilers, i try to be conscientious) ... to see if events throughout the movie are as preposterous as they seem to be in retrospect, after the reveal and explanation at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vodor Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 boxing day: i was also very resistant to the twist, but the extent to which they went to explain his past, with the detailed, dramatic, emotional flashback, and how they brought in teddy in to confront him as his psychologist... it's very clear that the movie intends for the twist to be real. dr. kingsley could have just insisted that his partner never existed, that the dude is crazy because of that, and, since he has total authority there, could have detained him even without all the effort put into the elaborate confrontation in the lighthouse. what was all that lighthouse business for then? dr. kingsley wanted to mislead us in the audience? lame. if that was all there in the movie just to create ambiguity, then they failed hard, because all of that stuff strongly suggests that leo is who they say he is, if we're treating the characters as if they don't know that they're in a movie, which of course we should. i think the movie actually could have been better without the twist, if there really was plot to exploit his past traumas, to make him seem insane to keep him there and cover up their operations, because that actually seems to be the more realistic scenario, lol! a grand, dangerous roleplay because sensitive dr. kingsley wants to help leo to get better, so they don't have to sadly poke his brain? psh. it also could been better if they kept it ambiguous, but logically so, such that the characters don't do ridiculous things solely for the audience's benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vodor Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 in other words, i don't think the movie deserves such careful analysis :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxing Day Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 ^ I kind of agree .. but the movie give us the choice to believe our own ending .. so i kind of choose to look at the movie without the twist .. (Because i am into Cold War top secrecy and shit like that) If i look at the movie with the twist , there are a lot of Holes ( In my Opinion) .. What were they doing in the ferry at the beginning , Why did the nurse pose as the Crazy mother , why did the Nazi doctor analyzed him as Teddy and not as a crazy patient .. The nurse in the cave was right about the experiments in the lighthouse and the lobotomy (which was a whole fucking point of the experiments) .. etc etc .. But in the other hand .. His fear of water would explain the Crazy Wife drowning the kids theory .. , the twist would also explain why he found that piece of paper ( The law of 4) , etc etc The movie is kind of confusion , but i think it is good that way , because it allowed me to create my own storyline ( Kind of like the crazy people did) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fishtank Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I'll say it again, this is a good movie except for the 'twist' here's how I would have perfected the scenario played out He goes crazy from the investigation and is committed to the institution, then is brutally raped by badgers. I would also agree that it would have benefited from more editing the dream sequences are too long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redruth Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I'll say it again, this is a good movie except for the 'twist' ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest uelogy Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I'll say it again, this is a good movie except for the 'twist' ! This is enough to ensure I'll never see it - FFS !!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fishtank Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I wouldn't consider this movie to be a horror/thriller either more like a psychological drama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodie Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 how does this compare to session 9? i like movies that take place in crazy houses, so i wanna see this one. but i also don't want to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gary C Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Hm... It was a good film. 7/10 Challenging, suspenseful, little shocks of fright and some good visuals too. Not really horror, but I never expected it to be. From the trailer I knew it'd be a bit of a headfuck. I'm also a little perturbed by the significance of the lighthouse as a setting for the finale, but I'm firmly siding with the view that Leo is delusional. If he were simply a cop being conned with suggestion and drugs there would be less emphasis on the scene in which he finds his children. That flashback was also portrayed with a realism that didn't exist within his hallucinations and dreams, which serves to define it as truth. Whether Leo believed that he was a patient or still a cop was left more ambiguous though, which was a good conclusion, I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GrandPopPoplock Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I haven't seen it , but...I think the spill.com review might sum it up http://www.spill.com/Movie-Reviews/MovieReview.aspx?Name=Shutter%20Island&VideoId=422205 It looks ok . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capsaicin Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 shitter island, I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KY Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 it was alright—really bloated at times, leo is a little too melo for me, and plot direction was neither really clear nor ambiguous, just kind of meandering. I really loved the scene where Leo sees Laeddis>Chuck Aule>nobody in the study, dug the editing and cine on that. I don't think Leo was captive on the island for 24 months, but instead that the experiments were really true (though I guess its more convincing to believe he did kill his wife and whatnot, as it kind of resolves a lot of the ambiguity in flashbacks and dreams). But the final shot of the lighthouse especially led me to believe he was being brainwashed/deluded after all. "Chuck Aule" could have easily been sent off-island to meet with him as his case partner, and while he later revealed that he was really a psychologist, I think he only played the part of Leo's psychologist to prevent Leo from spreading the word on the experiments. The visions, nightmares and odd shots—for instance, when the patient they were interviewing took a drink of water, the glass disappearing for one shot and reappearing the next—could be effects of the drugs Leo was slipped. Then again, I may believe this because I find my interpretation much more interesting than the shallow twist that he was a patient on the island. Maybe it's the conspiracist in me, but this is why I loved Rosemary's Baby—the ambiguity-turned-affirmation of the protagonist's suspicions. but oh, bruce willis is dead? fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggs Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 firing squad scene was fabulous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vodor Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 firing squad scene was fabulous. yeah it was. there were several shots/scenes where i was like "aww yeah scorsese" and that was one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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