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  1. 6 hours ago, Satans Little Helper said:

    To put it into perspective: how much progression has there been in the last 3000 years? 15-20 years is the blink of an eye.

    I think we're lucky to have experienced a part in music history where technological advances pushed developments in music. We basically went from acoustic to electronic to digital in a single lifetime. Don't think there's more like that in the past 3000 years. And unrealistic to expect that to simply continue, tbh.

    That's not a proper perspective: the music of "3000 years" was developing in a different frame altogether, now known as tradition, on a far lesser scale, basically villages. This whole progress thing is a matter of specific Western culture that exists probably for 300-400 years. A lot have happened in those years, in every generation, in far lesser circles of enthusiasts.

    Regarding technology -- the fastest technological development happened in these 20 years with global internet, but music got almost nothing out of it. Acoustic to digital is not in any way an unprecedented progress in music terms, it has very little to show musically (arguably). 

    Anyway, I don't expect it to continue, simply reacted to question of why "acid" (or any 80/90s genre) is back again and again. Chasing novelty is indeed a trap

  2. 2 hours ago, WurstPLUS said:

    Instabought. But. C'mon guys. All fanboyism aside, this is underwhelming. Sounds uninspiring. Compare that one to the Oberman Knocks rmx. Nah. And where is the Ae in this? My eyes hear no Ae in this at all.

    This track is clearly:

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    Am I right or am I a miserable fuck? ?

    Rob or Sean mentioned called some old albums "cheesy" once. So now, what is this please? Ultracheese?

    /stoprage, and thanks Paul and Fritz for keeping us busy ? 

    It mostly stays in the same lane as the original, updating the sound (successfully in my view, tho not a fan of the original) -- a different approach to the Oberman one which was like a new track. 

    It's not in Ae style, but it has Ae treatment of all components. It's alright to me, not a hit, not a miss

  3. For a commie Zeff is such an elitist, trying to death-conceptualize the most banal processes. Though I guess it's normal since most of leftist over-thinking stems from up-its-ass academia 

    Is there a way un-boomer yourself, you ask? First world problems!

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  4. 7 hours ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

    the forms of the communicational structures of slang, in-jokes, social tendencies, interests and tastes, and political opinions, remain locked in the memories of the individuals and groups,  changing over time and influenced by external forces, but nonetheless maintaining a mostly static structure and low velocity of change. however as new brains grow the flexibility and acceptance of novelty creates an in comparison rapid velocity of change, resulting in a severe drift between groups and stagnation increases with age.  as a result the boomerification process is invisible to those who it is being applied to unless the velocity of change is increased through rapid degradation of the self and acceptance of the new external conditions.  for some it seems a post-boomerification calcification or crystallization process occurs.  but does a reverse process, a post-boomerification de-calcification or liquifaction process exist? such a cultural method seems invaluable to those suffering, knowingly or unknowingly, from boomerification

     

  5. 1 hour ago, auxien said:

    which one gets aute and which gets 'chre?

    The hot one gets the aute and the mediocre one gets the chre (you decide which is which)

     

    For those who missed:

    During 4utechre streams Sean Anthony wrote that Robert John ("Rob") is open to doing twitch streams some time in the future.

    edit: and that he will make a separate channel for it

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  6. 13 hours ago, auxien said:

    basically tracks the main points of SOPHIE's career with some interesting tidbits sprinkled throughout, bookended by BIPP ofc. don't think i'd ever heard that Vince Staples track. shit's fuckin massive.

    Pretty fiery beat for Vince Staples, unfortunately no instrumental, but there's a separate demo (before adding hats and the trap alike)

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  7. 11 hours ago, ambermonke said:

    I remember that being the name of their MySpace page back in the late 00s

     

    1 minute ago, wredny said:

    Another hint:

    M.Y.S.L.B. released Artificial Intelligence compilations:

     

    https://www.discogs.com/label/895989-MYSLB

    M.Y.S.L.B. productions was mentioned on their first EP sleeve (third line in the picture), the logo is the same. The channel gotta be legit as it's suggested by 4utechre page, anyway

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  8. On 9/25/2021 at 8:06 PM, blantchot1 said:

    >Arpanet - Illuminated displays 
    >Morphology - Europa
    >Plaid - Squence 
    >The Tuss - Synthacon 9
    >Korrupt Data - Density Function
    >NOON - Esiane

    Immortal masterpieces

    Thanks for the list, though I don't agree with the implication that this is the highlight in need of a larger context, even if we're going with more conventionally moving compositions. 

    Der Zyklus - Formenverwandler & AIR - Le Soleil Est Pres De Moi (Dopplereffekt Remix) are no less groovy, you can make such a list with Gerald Donald productions only.

  9. 15 minutes ago, sweepstakes said:

    this is surely not going to be a popular take but I think you're spot-on.

    Thanks, it may seem like a critical view, yet I regard Draft as almost my favourite LP (I prefer thinking in separate tracks rather than albums) -- I'm just always in doubt about it, it sounds great & terrible at the same time. And not because it's "out there" or "experimental", on the contrary, its stylistic ambitions feel normal.

    4 minutes ago, toaoaoad said:

    Did they ever state that in interviews/the AAA tho, or is it just speculation? Seems likely enough the way it's pieced together that it must have been somewhat wearisome to produce, but don't they also seem to always enjoy what they do? I'm thinking of that popular quip about Clark hating the process of composing ETBOY which is another one of those very meticulous idm albums. So I think it's easy to hear albums like that as "this was probably a pain in the ass to make but it sure paid off" but that doesnt' mean they didn't enjoy doing it.

    For one, they didn't tour at all (maybe coincidental, tho it happened only once before 'rona?), and the title is suspicious: "draft", "30th version". Anyway, if it turns out it was the most joyful production experience, it won't change the character of the record -- I'll be finding other words to describe the uneasiness.

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  10. I think it's their most "try hard" album: a situation of creative deadend being full-forcefully overcomed. Gives off this struggling and over-produced feeling. It's kinda the best one with doubts

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  11. IDM is White male supremacist, i'm really sorry.

    Fuck that forum based on these ratings alone (we're not mainstream pop no, we're reputable pop).

    It's probably good idea to make something similar on WATMM, to open eyes -- tho we've had an album of the year threads which showed tolerable IDM results all in all.

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    Artist    Rating
    Aretha Franklin    4.64
    Nina Simone    4.57
    Neil Young    4.48
    Miles Davis    4.42
    Talking Heads    4.39
    R.E.M.    4.38
    Beastie Boys    4.36
    Otis Redding    4.34
    The Velvet Underground    4.33
    David Bowie    4.31
    The Beatles    4.31
    Pixies    4.30
    Leonard Cohen    4.30
    The Cure    4.28
    Björk    4.27
    Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds    4.22
    Marvin Gaye    4.21
    Aphex Twin    4.18
    PJ Harvey    4.17
    Stevie Wonder    4.17
    Nirvana    4.15
    Joy Division    4.15
    Radiohead    4.13
    The Supremes    4.13
    Pavement    4.12
    Prince    4.11
    Wu-Tang Clan    4.11
    Nick Drake    4.10
    Elliott Smith    4.09
    Pulp    4.08
    Public Enemy    4.08
    Sonic Youth    4.08
    Sleater-Kinney    4.08
    Kate Bush    4.07
    OutKast    4.07
    Portishead    4.03
    Super Furry Animals    4.03
    Black Sabbath    4.03
    MF DOOM    4.01
    Bob Dylan    3.97
    Kendrick Lamar    3.97
    Low    3.96
    The Beach Boys    3.93
    Jimi Hendrix    3.93
    LCD Soundsystem    3.92
    Joni Mitchell    3.89
    Massive Attack    3.89
    Bruce Springsteen    3.84
    The Clash    3.77
    Pet Shop Boys    3.76
    Blondie    3.73
    Bright Eyes    3.71
    Rage Against The Machine    3.71
    The Ramones    3.67
    ABBA    3.66
    Kanye West    3.65
    Arcade Fire    3.64
    Blur    3.61
    The Smiths    3.57
    Beyoncé    3.54
    Yeah Yeah Yeahs    3.54
    Carly Rae Jepsen    3.51
    The Chemical Brothers    3.49
    Bob Marley & The Wailers    3.48
    Jeff Buckley    3.47
    Idlewild    3.42
    Madonna    3.40
    Manic Street Preachers    3.39
    Fleetwood Mac    3.39
    Toots & The Maytals    3.35
    The White Stripes    3.34
    Supergrass    3.32
    Hole    3.31
    The Smashing Pumpkins    3.30
    Suede    3.30
    Elton John    3.28
    The Pogues    3.28
    Kylie Minogue    3.27
    The Specials    3.26
    Sugababes    3.22
    Rihanna    3.19
    The Prodigy    3.18
    Led Zeppelin    3.16
    Ash    3.16
    Pink Floyd    3.15
    Taylor Swift    3.14
    Jay-Z    3.14
    Arctic Monkeys    3.14
    Interpol    3.12
    TLC    3.12
    Los Campesinos!    3.10
    The Rolling Stones    3.09
    Destiny’s Child    3.05
    Primal Scream    3.04
    The Strokes    3.03
    Elvis Presley    3.02
    Weezer    2.97
    Amy Winehouse    2.95
    Girls Aloud    2.93
    Frank Sinatra    2.92
    Lizzo    2.86
    Belle And Sebastian    2.85
    Britney Spears    2.85
    Metallica    2.81
    Green Day    2.81
    Madness    2.80
    The Jam    2.75
    Basement Jaxx    2.75
    Oasis    2.71
    Whitney Houston    2.69
    The Sex Pistols    2.63
    Lady Gaga    2.61
    Queen    2.60
    Billy Joel    2.57
    U2    2.55
    Biffy Clyro    2.48
    Dire Straits    2.43
    Bloc Party    2.41
    Eminem    2.38
    Mariah Carey    2.32
    The Killers    2.22
    The Who    2.22
    Blink-182    2.21
    Adele    2.05
    Kings Of Leon    2.01
    Red Hot Chili Peppers    1.90
    The Spice Girls    1.81
    Stereophonics    1.74

     

  12. 57 minutes ago, ooqpoo said:

    do the boys unanimously think it's cheesy? Or is it mainly Sean. Cause I could picture Rob basking in some Amber while doin the dishes. 

    It was akshly Robert John who dropped the cheesy line towards it, reflexive of his old pads, I presume

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  13. Yah, it's good and properly balanced, unfortunately he soon became a sort of normie melodic tech producer. 

    Tho my favourite track from him is not on Revisited and came a couple of years later, a sort of mid ground between sensitive minimalist Detroitism on Transmat and all-out poppy disco-trance vibes that came later. It's also self-aware in lyrics "Clarity. Simplicity. Perfection"

    I'm reminded not of Sterac, but another Dutch dood Joris Voorn's early stuff (It ain't Our World), it's also faster and clubbier, but has the same type of construction:

     

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  14. 29 minutes ago, nikisoko said:

    came across this because i'm following scanner on bandcamp and checkout what he buys. these people seem to have the ep7/cornfed sound down pretty well

     

    https://dingndents.bandcamp.com/album/ankersteng

    https://dingndents.bandcamp.com/album/iraer-tiaroe

    I think they were already mentioned in this thread, indeed an intriguing angle.

    Anyway, it happens to be this label's 5th anniversary, so they do a 50% discount until October 1. damirat is Kim Changhee and Shin Sung Hoon and they have other & solo releases as well.

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  15. 6 hours ago, AnwarAutokino said:

    cool combo

    i kind of wished the dude would end up deciding to keep his wings though ?

    terrible message... just fit in, don't be ambitious, everything will be ok!

    The message is alright, the mice didn't try to fit in despite failure, followed the ambition to success and got to the individual conclusion that family is more valuable.

     

  16. 1 hour ago, xxx said:

    These things blow with the wind but I'm very close to selecting this as essentially the pinnacle of everything he's been trying to say musically as far as I'm concerned. If you can levy a criticism of the alleged genius of Richard, it's that he is indeed "kitchen sinking" us. Edits per millisecond, ideas per millimeter, fidgety tracks that don't rest due to all the clever making its way out. I feel like it all came together on synthacon in a bulletproof manner though.

    The way he moves among the hissy organ-like drum machine (what is it?), the 808, the DMX and the dad funk cop show break to direct the energy of the track is just mindblowing. You know he loved the straight abuse of the last 2 minutes of "54 Cymru Beats" and I did too but there's something to be said for restraint. Calling in a single aerial snare rush at 3:21 or doing staggered strafing runs on the DMX makes you ready for action without the fatigue.

    All synth bases covered: mewling Gameboy arpeggios from Drukqs, fat analogs that reflect the princely sums accumulated in mid-life, ghosty SAW II whispers in the periphery, vocoded phrases and spectral/experimental washes. There's not a box left unchecked but not in a way that sounds like you're scrolling through a preset menu. Every part "talks" to the other in a reciprocal and organic way. XMAS_EVE is obviously brilliant in the same respect but I'm doing a hard freeway exit at 7:29. I love the detour but more as an epilogue of sorts rather than the main body of the tale. 

    I actually had this realization back in summer of 2019 when I did a Tuss nightwalk but after 2 years of deliberation, I'm ready more than ever to call it. "Pointless Thoughts and Observations" for sure but what else do you do in this life? Distraction and distraction hierarchy. A picture in Vanity Fair of drum machines on a red carpet asking "who programmed it best"?

    That's a beautifully precise write-up that I identify with.

    XMAS_EVE, I feel, is a blockbuster pop-friendly version of the same kind of energy and the epilogue part is a refusal to stop pouring it (the preceding bells part is also problematic in keeping it focused).

    I would say this is a sublimation of experience rather than distraction.

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