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    Now That Trump's President... (not any more!)

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    No, it will wake people up. Imagine the US in two weeks time being where Italy is at this moment. This shit will be undeniable. This is a lifechanging event. 

    Same holds for Europe, btw. Although I suspect US society is less prepared to deal with a crisis like this. (Eg. No paid leave, weak central government) Could be wrong, but the only options the federal government seems to have are military related and perhaps to pump some money in the economy (most of which aimed at the stock market). 

    2020 US Election

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    Posted · Edited by goDel

    I guess these "automated, high-volume testing systems capable of processing thousands of samples at a time" are too sophisticated for the US? 

    (i believe the availability of this technology has a bigger impact than the difference between centralized or other systems, btw)

    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    13 minutes ago, J3FF3R00 said:

    ... Makes you feel safe that they can’t/won’t/don’t test for this thing in a major city, doesn’t it?

    Testing at this point doesn't really do anything if you don't need imminent treatment. It's already known the virus is out there and it is spreading through the community. Even in the US. Regardless of what orange-head says.

    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    3 minutes ago, Entorwellian said:

    I'll bring some good news into the thread: It looks like Japan and Germany has discovered a drug that binds to the ACE2 receptor in your lungs to prevent drowning in your own sputum. https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/03/03/there-is-a-drug-already-used-in-japan-which-may-treat-covid-19-says-new-study/#e0d162341270

     

    I think this is a more realistic treatment option than a fantasy vaccine.

    in case not clear: a vaccine is not a treatment. it's something to prevent people from getting ill. and developing a vaccine is still a must even if this discovery is going to be a successful treatment option.

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    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    24 minutes ago, kakapo said:

    I don't know if the UK response makes sense.  People are questioning why the UK are trying to balance herd immunity while mitigating effects on the vulnerable, as opposed to trying to stop the spread completely.  The UK approach makes more sense if you believe it can't be contained and that it is likely to mutate into a more dangerous form (i.e Spanish flu 1st and 2nd wave scenario, where the survivors of the first wave retained immunity for the 2nd more deadly wave).      

    sorry for the repost:

    yes, it can't be contained. regardless of the risk of mutation. UK is currently gone from containment to delay policy. simple as that.

    wrt spanish flu: i know the second wave was more deadly. don't know whether that had anything to do with mutating. if you've got a credible source i'm all ears.

    could the second wave be more deadly than the first with mutating though? the answer is an obvious yes. one of the reasons is that as opposed to the first wave, the second wave won't have a single starting-point like the current first wave (started in wuhan). without a single starting point the virus will spread faster and will be way more difficult to control/delay. so there reason the second wave could be more deadly is mostly because of the absolute numbers (instead of the relative numbers)

     

    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    1 minute ago, kakapo said:

    I'm loathe to add to misinformation, but the UK response makes more sense if you think the virus is going to mutate into a more dangerous form.

    why? even if that doesn't happen, it makes sense, imo

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    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    1 hour ago, MichaelListon said:

    Lads, not going to lie, this has me terrified.

    Someone please convince me everything will be alright.

    Silver linings:

    - odds of reaching climate change agreements more certain thanks to pandemic. thanks to: less traffic, less planes in the air. economy basically at zero.

    - population will shrink a bit. mainly older gray stuff will fall away. mostly the gop voting "boomers", i guess. including dumpster trump.

    - the young ones will mostly get through this without real issues (which might mean that snowflake mentality will become the new norm, i'm afraid)

    - after the coming months - which will be shitty - the sun will come out again ?

    - repeating trump news: he'll either not survive this politically or physically.

    take this with a grain of salt please.

    kthxbuy! ;D

    WATMM Apocalypse Bunker

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    25 minutes ago, Mesh Gear Fox said:

    but the healthcare system is like a war zone in a large part because of the hype, from the media and also people's own personal hysteria. if coverage had taken a less panicked tone, people would be less panicked.

    Euh? No. Not even going to bother arguing with that to be honest. Please inform yourself. The information is out there. Take care.

     

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    Coronavirus COVID-19

    in General Banter

    Posted · Edited by goDel

    Have to disagree again, I'm afraid. Running a government is more about doing the right stuff than you're willing to admit. And your focus is too much on the top as well.

    Rutten stands on the shoulders of entire government agencies. When dealing with a crisis like this, a pm can only rely on those agencies. In the case of Rutten, he does. Whatever you think of him.

    That's where Trump is different. What you might consider as wielding influence, I consider it braking down the decision process within a government. He just doesn't seem to give a shit about what his experts tell him. Or rather, he fires them if they tell him stuff he doesn't like.

    That's not wielding influence. That's (mis) using his executive powers. (For which hes already impeached, of course)

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    WATMM Apocalypse Bunker

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    52 minutes ago, Mesh Gear Fox said:

    why would you want to survive the apocalypse tho.

     

    i want to say all this hysteria is unwarranted, and it is in the sense that the coronavirus is incredibly overhyped. but the fears about our future are real!

    Ozzy, right. Yeah, you guys are doing pretty OK down under. Nice and warm weather keeps the virus at bay a bit.

    If you want to understand the hype though, try to imagine living in Italy right now. Doesn't look unwarranted when your healthcare system is like a war zone, does it? 

    Hey BCM, please dig a whole deep enough to reach Down under. The current climate is more friendly down there. We should all drink some coronas on the other side!

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    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    27 minutes ago, rhmilo said:

     


    I’d say the Dutch prime minister is isn’t great at it either. “We want to keep schools open because closing them would make it impossible for parents to keep the economy running^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H performing their important life saving jobs in the health sector”.

    And then some sort of lame excuse that children aren’t affected by the virus ... which only makes them *more* dangerous as they can spread it without it being obvious.

    Luckily the governing body for the tertiary education sector can make its own decisions so all universities are now closed and I finally have the opportunity to rewire my “studio”.

     

    The Dutch PM listens to his experts though. He doesn't fire the people with bad news and unwanted advice. There's an actual decision making process in place. But he's not perfect though. But many in Western countries aren't. Nobody is. 

    The irony is that if governments would be considered as overreacting, they'd probably would be doing the right stuff. 

    Remember when we had a discussion about overreacting to this virus a couple of days ago? (It started out that way before it moved to a course on being SMART) Well, given that you teach kids about data science and all that good shit, I conclude you're on the smart side of the bell curve. Which means theres more than 50% of the population to your left. My guess is that more than 50% of the population would have considered any proactive measure to contain this "flu" complete rubbish a couple days ago. And still today, I'm afraid. 

    At this point in time it's best to follow governments advice. It's the best we have. And it's far from having a president like Trump. Not even comparable, imo. It doesn't make any sense to compare the two. 

    Just consider the possibility there are good reasons for keeping schools open at this point in time. Just like there were good reasons for asking people with mild symptoms to preventively stay home a couple days ago. 

    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    If he's smart he cancels. Odds are he could pick up some cold while traveling. And in these conditions you seriously have to consider it's covid19. Given that the odds of people being tested on corona actually shrinks (!!!! Because they cant keep up with all new cases, they only test people under specific conditions. Most people with flu-type symptoms are told to go home and sit it out. Only urgent cases get attention), you prolly wont ever know whether its a cold or a corona. And given this lack of knowledge, would you do a tour anyways? This should be a rhetorical question, btw. The answer is no, because you don't want to spread it.

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    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    Posted

    1 hour ago, hma said:

    All I want is comparison of how many people died last year on the same day overall/ with flu + and same for this year/day with extra  column for corona. For each country..Just sick of people shitting themselves all around the internet without any clue. Just so much hype, fuck this shit.

    Talking about clueless, have you actually informed yourself about what is happening outside your personal bubble?

    Perhaps you should compare the situation in Italian hospitals today with that a year ago. Should give you a clue about what is taking place and why this is different to just a seasonal flue.

    I don't blame you though. I stopped being surprised by how clueless people can be some time ago. 

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