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The Czech Republic Plans To Legalize Cannabis In Coordination With Germany
Dario SabaghiContributorThe Czech Republic is on the way to legalizing adult-use cannabis, and it aims to coordinate with Germany to share information and the best practices to regulate the legal industry.
Following Germany's announcement to legalize cannabis, the Czech Republic has just started to embark on the journey toward cannabis legalization, aiming to harmonize its legislation with Berlin.
The Czech coalition government is drafting a bill to regulate the industry, which is expected to be presented in March 2023, while full legalization may be entered into effect by January 2024.
In September, the government commissioned drug commissioner Jindřich Vobořil to draft a law to legalize adult-use cannabis.
Vobořil announced that Czech officials are in contact with the German government to coordinate and consult each other over their proposals.
"We are in contact with our German colleagues, and we have repeatedly confirmed that we want to coordinate by consulting each other on our proposals," he said in a Facebook post.
The Czech Republic is considered one of the most liberal countries regarding cannabis legislation.
Although its recreational use is still illegal, it decriminalized cannabis possession for personal use in 2010 and legalized medical cannabis in 2013.
In addition, the Czech Republic is one of the few European countries that cultivate hemp with a THC content of up to 1% for industrial purposes. In comparison, other EU member state legislations have set the limit to about 0.2%, although the European Union recently decided to increase the THC level from 0.2% to 0.3% for authorized hemp crops used for industrial purposes.
Hence, the regulation of the recreational market appears to be a natural path to follow for a country in which about 30% of the adults have tried cannabis, and 8% to 9% use it regularly, according to the Addiction Report released in August by the National Monitoring Center on Drugs and Addiction (NMS).
Despite the decriminalization for personal use, the illegal market still thrives because no legal production has been established, and the supply chain lacks quality control and control of sales to young people under 18.
Some experts believe that legalization has the potential to generate significant revenues from cannabis consumption taxation, taking into consideration that there are about 800,000 active cannabis users in the country.
According to the Czech Pirate Party, the smallest political group inside the government coalition and one of the most prominent cannabis advocates in the country, cannabis products could generate about €800 million ($782 million) in tax revenue annually.
Furthermore, the government's National Economic Council (NERV) suggests that regulating the legal cannabis industry would help the Czech Republic to fight high public budget deficits.
In an interview with a local news media outlet, Vobořil said that cannabis would be sold in selected pharmacies upon a license's authorization and likely in licensed dispensaries.
Furthermore, municipalities should have the opportunity to decide whether allow or ban cannabis stores.
Although it is still unclear how practically Czech Republic and Germany would coordinate with each other and what effects the cooperation can produce in the respective legislations, Vobořil aims to establish a cannabis social club's model for Czech consumers, widely used in Spain.
"My colleagues in Germany are talking about permitted quantities, and they don't have the cannabis clubs that we foresee. I certainly want to hold the cannabis clubs until my last breath. This model seems very useful to me, at least for the first few years," he wrote on Facebook.
Vobořil also wishes to start a trade partnership with Germany to supply each other, although Berlin's plan to legalize adult-use cannabis would exclude imports of cannabis products.
In an interview with the German public, state-owned international broadcaster Deutsche Welle, Vobořil, explained that he would "try to ensure that as little cannabis as possible is consumed through conventional smoking because that is most damaging to health."
This would suggest that the government might start a campaign to advise cannabis users to consume cannabis through vaporizers or other methods.
Germany's announcement of its plans to legalize adult-use cannabis has already produced significant effects in Europe as it brought back the debate over cannabis legalization and has pushed the Czech Republic to plan to regulate the legal market within a specific timeframe.
At first glance, the Czech's approach to cannabis legalization seems an attempt to follow up a joint meeting held in June between Germany, Luxembourg, Malta, and the Netherlands to discuss the possibility of establishing a structured multilateral exchange to share knowledge, best practices, and experiences to regulate the legal industry.
Representatives of the Czech Republic's Presidency of the Council of the European Union were also reportedly present at the meeting.
Except for Malta, which became the first EU country to legalize adult-use cannabis and cultivation for personal use in late 2021, these countries are working to regulate cannabis, adopting different grades of legalization.
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1 hour ago, Joyrex said:On 8/11/2022 at 5:29 AM, Lane Visitor said:
I'm just glad we made it to pg 160, this thread's been hovering on 159 for like 50 years lol
Probably be page 300 before we see anything new...
let's start posting those comments then
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14 floating∞ was played at both forbidden fruit 2011 & 2017
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Germany announces plan to legalise cannabis for recreational use
Minister says legalisation could set precedent for rest of Europe, though plan is still subject to EU approval
Philip Oltermann in BerlinWed 26 Oct 2022 14.52 BSTGermany wants to make it legal for adults to purchase and own up to 30g of cannabis for recreational use and to privately grow up to three plants, the country’s health minister has announced, saying the intended outcome could set a precedent for the rest of the European continent.
“If this law comes to pass, it would be the most liberal project to legalise cannabis in Europe, but also the most regulated market”, the Karl Lauterbach said at a press conference in Berlin on Wednesday. “It could be a model for Europe.”
The overriding goal of making it legal to buy and smoke cannabis in Germany, the Social Democrat politician said, was to better protect young people, who were already consuming the drug in increasing numbers after obtaining it on the black market.
“We don’t want to expand cannabis consumption but to improve the protection of youth and health,” Lauterbach said. With about 4 million people in Germany having tried cannabis at least once over the last 12 months, he added, the current prohibitive model “isn’t working”.
Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s three-party coalition announced its intention to legalise cannabis for recreational use when it took office at the end of the year, but progress on a law has been slowed down by fears that such a step could contravene EU law and international treaties.
In the hope of minimising the risk of a cannabis law being challenged by European courts at a later stage, Germany is planning to submit an outline of its plans to the European Commission this week and seek an opinion.
If the commission made it unequivocally clear that the German model was not compatible with EU law, Lauterbach said, the government would not try to proceed to legalise cannabis on that basis. If Brussels gave it the green light, he said, a draft law would be presented in the first quarter of 2023.
The outline of the plans foresees it becoming legal to purchase and possess a maximum amount of 20g to 30g of cannabis for recreational use, and to consume it in private or in public. Privately growing up to three plants would also become legal.
Lauterbach said a legalisation of cannabis edibles, such as gums or baked goods, was still being looked into but was unlikely, as was the introduction of a general upper limit on the content of THC, the main psychedelic constituent of cannabis. An upper THC limit for 18- to 23-year-olds, however, is considered likely.
Advertising cannabis products would be banned. “A general ban on advertising recreational cannabis applies,” the outline document says. “Recreational cannabis is sold with (neutral) outer packaging without advertising design.”
The sale of cannabis products would likely take place in licensed establishments such as pharmacies, though the association of German pharmacists has spoken out against legalising the drug, warning this week it could be forced into competition with other commercial providers.
Lauterbach said the German path to legalising cannabis ran counter to that of the Netherlands, which technically still criminalises the growth and sale of the drug.
The Dutch model, Germany’s health minister said, had “combined two disadvantages: liberal use but not a controlled market”. “What we have learned from the Dutch experience is that we don’t want to do it that way”, he added. “We want to control the entire market.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/26/germany-to-legalise-cannabis-for-recreational-use
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My Cannabis Journey by Peter Grinspoon M.D.
imagine growing up with carl sagan smoking cannabis in your living room and talking about the universe
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The Universe Is Not Locally Real, and the Physics Nobel Prize Winners Proved It
Elegant experiments with entangled light have laid bare a profound mystery at the heart of reality
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By Daniel Garisto on October 6, 2022
John Stewart Bell (1928-1990), the Northern Irish physicist whose work sparked a quiet revolution in quantum physics. Credit: Peter Menzel/Science Source
One of the more unsettling discoveries in the past half century is that the universe is not locally real. “Real,” meaning that objects have definite properties independent of observation—an apple can be red even when no one is looking; “local” means objects can only be influenced by their surroundings, and that any influence cannot travel faster than light. Investigations at the frontiers of quantum physics have found that these things cannot both be true. Instead, the evidence shows objects are not influenced solely by their surroundings and they may also lack definite properties prior to measurement. As Albert Einstein famously bemoaned to a friend, “Do you really believe the moon is not there when you are not looking at it?”
This is, of course, deeply contrary to our everyday experiences. To paraphrase Douglas Adams, the demise of local realism has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Blame for this achievement has now been laid squarely on the shoulders of three physicists: John Clauser, Alain Aspect and Anton Zeilinger. They equally split the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics “for experiments with entangled photons, establishing the violation of Bell inequalities and pioneering quantum information science.” (“Bell inequalities” refers to the pioneering work of the Northern Irish physicist John Stewart Bell, who laid the foundations for this year’s Physics Nobel in the early 1960s.) Colleagues agreed that the trio had it coming, deserving this reckoning for overthrowing reality as we know it. “It is fantastic news. It was long overdue,” says Sandu Popescu, a quantum physicist at the University of Bristol. “Without any doubt, the prize is well-deserved.”
“The experiments beginning with the earliest one of Clauser and continuing along, show that this stuff isn’t just philosophical, it’s real—and like other real things, potentially useful,” says Charles Bennett, an eminent quantum researcher at IBM.
“Each year I thought, ‘oh, maybe this is the year,’” says David Kaiser, a physicist and historian at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “This year, it really was. It was very emotional—and very thrilling.”
Quantum foundations’ journey from fringe to favor was a long one. From about 1940 until as late as 1990, the topic was often treated as philosophy at best and crackpottery at worst. Many scientific journals refused to publish papers in quantum foundations, and academic positions indulging such investigations were nearly impossible to come by. In 1985, Popescu’s advisor warned him against a Ph.D. in the subject. “He said ‘look, if you do that, you will have fun for five years, and then you will be jobless,’” Popescu says.
Today, quantum information science is among the most vibrant and impactful subfields in all of physics. It links Einstein’s general theory of relativity with quantum mechanics via the still-mysterious behavior of black holes. It dictates the design and function of quantum sensors, which are increasingly being used to study everything from earthquakes to dark matter. And it clarifies the often-confusing nature of quantum entanglement, a phenomenon that is pivotal to modern materials science and that lies at the heart of quantum computing.
“What even makes a quantum computer ‘quantum’?” Nicole Yunger Halpern, a National Institute of Standards and Technology physicist, asks rhetorically. “One of the most popular answers is entanglement, and the main reason why we understand entanglement is the grand work participated in by Bell and these Nobel Prize–winners. Without that understanding of entanglement, we probably wouldn’t be able to realize quantum computers.”
For Whom the Bell Tolls
The trouble with quantum mechanics was never that it made the wrong predictions—in fact, the theory described the microscopic world splendidly well right from the start when physicists devised it in the opening decades of the 20th century.
What Einstein, Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen took issue with, laid out in their iconic 1935 paper, was the theory’s uncomfortable implications for reality. Their analysis, known by their initials EPR, centered on a thought experiment meant to illustrate the absurdity of quantum mechanics; to show how under certain conditions the theory can break—or at least deliver nonsensical results that conflict with everything else we know about reality. A simplified and modernized version of EPR goes something like this: Pairs of particles are sent off in different directions from a common source, targeted for two observers, Alice and Bob, each stationed at opposite ends of the solar system. Quantum mechanics dictates that it is impossible to know the spin, a quantum property of individual particles prior to measurement. When Alice measures one of her particles, she finds its spin to be either up or down. Her results are random, and yet, when she measures up, she instantly knows Bob’s corresponding particle must be down. At first glance, this is not so odd; perhaps the particles are like a pair of socks—if Alice gets the right sock, Bob must have the left.
But under quantum mechanics, particles are not like socks, and only when measured do they settle on a spin of up or down. This is EPR’s key conundrum: If Alice’s particles lack a spin until measurement, how then when they whiz past Neptune do they know what Bob’s particles will do as they fly out of the solar system in the other direction? Each time Alice measures, she effectively quizzes her particle on what Bob will get if he flips a coin: up, or down? The odds of correctly predicting this even 200 times in a row are 1 in 1060—a number greater than all the atoms in the solar system. Yet despite the billions of kilometers that separate the particle pairs, quantum mechanics says Alice’s particles can keep correctly predicting, as though they were telepathically connected to Bob’s particles.
Although intended to reveal the imperfections of quantum mechanics, when real-world versions of the EPR thought experiment are conducted the results instead reinforce the theory’s most mind-boggling tenets. Under quantum mechanics, nature is not locally real—particles lack properties such as spin up or spin down prior to measurement, and seemingly talk to one another no matter the distance.
Physicists skeptical of quantum mechanics proposed that there were “hidden variables,” factors that existed in some imperceptible level of reality beneath the subatomic realm that contained information about a particle’s future state. They hoped in hidden-variable theories, nature could recover the local realism denied to it by quantum mechanics.
“One would have thought that the arguments of Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen would produce a revolution at that moment, and everybody would have started working on hidden variables,” Popescu says.
Einstein’s “attack” on quantum mechanics, however, did not catch on among physicists, who by and large accepted quantum mechanics as is. This was often less a thoughtful embrace of nonlocal reality, and more a desire to not think too hard while doing physics—a head-in-the-sand sentiment later summarized by the physicist David Mermin as a demand to “shut up and calculate.”
The lack of interest was driven in part because John von Neumann, a highly regarded scientist, had in 1932 published a mathematical proof ruling out hidden-variable theories. (Von Neumann’s proof, it must be said, was refuted just three years later by a young female mathematician, Grete Hermann, but at the time no one seemed to notice.)
Quantum mechanics’ problem of nonlocal realism would languish in a complacent stupor for another three decades until being decisively shattered by Bell. From the start of his career, Bell was bothered by the quantum orthodoxy and sympathetic toward hidden variable theories. Inspiration struck him in 1952, when he learned of a viable nonlocal hidden-variable interpretation of quantum mechanics devised by fellow physicist David Bohm—something von Neumann had claimed was impossible. Bell mulled the ideas over for years, as a side project to his main job working as a particle physicist at CERN.
In 1964, Bell rediscovered the same flaws in von Neumann’s argument that Hermann had. And then, in a triumph of rigorous thinking, Bell concocted a theorem that dragged the question of hidden variables from its metaphysical quagmire onto the concrete ground of experiment.
Normally, hidden-variable theories and quantum mechanics predict indistinguishable experimental outcomes. What Bell realized is that under precise circumstances, an empirical discrepancy between the two can emerge. In the eponymous Bell test (an evolution of the EPR thought experiment), Alice and Bob receive the same paired particles, but now they each have two different detector settings—A and a, B and b. These detector settings allow Alice and Bob to ask the particles different questions; an additional trick to throw off their apparent telepathy. In local hidden-variable theories, where their state is preordained and nothing links them, particles cannot outsmart this extra step, and they cannot always achieve the perfect correlation where Alice measures spin down when Bob measures spin up (and vice versa). But in quantum mechanics, particles remain connected and far more correlated than they could ever be in local hidden-variable theories. They are, in a word, entangled.
Measuring the correlation multiple times for many particle pairs, therefore, could prove which theory was correct. If the correlation remained below a limit derived from Bell’s theorem, this would suggest hidden variables were real; if it exceeded Bell’s limit, then the mind-boggling tenets of quantum mechanics would reign supreme. And yet, in spite of its potential to help determine the very nature of reality, after being published in a relatively obscure journal Bell’s theorem languished unnoticed for years.
The Bell Tolls for Thee
In 1967, John Clauser, then a graduate student at Columbia University, accidentally stumbled across a library copy of Bell’s paper and became enthralled by the possibility of proving hidden-variable theories correct. Clauser wrote to Bell two years later, asking if anyone had actually performed the test. Clauser’s letter was among the first feedback Bell had received.
With Bell’s encouragement, five years later Clauser and his graduate student Stuart Freedman performed the first Bell test. Clauser had secured permission from his supervisors, but little in the way of funds, so he became, as he said in a later interview, adept at “dumpster diving” to secure equipment—some of which he and Freedman then duct-taped together. In Clauser’s setup—a kayak-sized apparatus requiring careful tuning by hand—pairs of photons were sent in opposite directions toward detectors that could measure their state, or polarization.
Unfortunately for Clauser and his infatuation with hidden variables, once he and Freedman completed their analysis, they could not help but conclude that they had found strong evidence against them. Still, the result was hardly conclusive, because of various “loopholes” in the experiment that conceivably could allow the influence of hidden variables to slip through undetected. The most concerning of these was the locality loophole: if either the photon source or the detectors could have somehow shared information (a plausible feat within the confines of a kayak-sized object), the resulting measured correlations could still emerge from hidden variables. As Kaiser puts it pithily, if Alice tweets at Bob which detector setting she’s in, that interference makes ruling out hidden variables impossible.
Closing the locality loophole is easier said than done. The detector setting must be quickly changed while photons are on the fly—“quickly” meaning in a matter of mere nanoseconds. In 1976, a young French expert in optics, Alain Aspect, proposed a way for doing this ultra-speedy switch. His group’s experimental results, published in 1982, only bolstered Clauser’s results: local hidden variables looked extremely unlikely. “Perhaps Nature is not so queer as quantum mechanics,” Bell wrote in response to Aspect’s initial results. “But the experimental situation is not very encouraging from this point of view.”
Other loopholes, however, still remained—and, alas, Bell died in 1990 without witnessing their closure. Even Aspect’s experiment had not fully ruled out local effects because it took place over too small a distance. Similarly, as Clauser and others had realized, if Alice and Bob were not ensured to detect an unbiased representative sample of particles, they could reach the wrong conclusions.
No one pounced to close these loopholes with more gusto than Anton Zeilinger, an ambitious, gregarious Austrian physicist. In 1998, he and his team improved on Aspect’s earlier work by conducting a Bell test over a then-unprecedented distance of nearly half a kilometer. The era of divining reality’s nonlocality from kayak-sized experiments had drawn to a close. Finally, in 2013, Zeilinger’s group took the next logical step, tackling multiple loopholes at the same time.
“Before quantum mechanics, I actually was interested in engineering. I like building things with my hands,” says Marissa Giustina, a quantum researcher at Google who worked with Zeilinger. “In retrospect, a loophole-free Bell experiment is a giant systems-engineering project.” One requirement for creating an experiment closing multiple loopholes was finding a perfectly straight, unoccupied 60-meter tunnel with access to fiber optic cables. As it turned out, the dungeon of Vienna’s Hofburg palace was an almost ideal setting—aside from being caked with a century’s worth of dust. Their results, published in 2015, coincided with similar tests from two other groups that also found quantum mechanics as flawless as ever.
Bell’s Test Reaches the Stars
One great final loophole remained to be closed, or at least narrowed. Any prior physical connection between components, no matter how distant in the past, has the possibility of interfering with the validity of a Bell test’s results. If Alice shakes Bob’s hand prior to departing on a spaceship, they share a past. It is seemingly implausible that a local hidden-variable theory would exploit these loopholes, but still possible.
In 2017, a team including Kaiser and Zeilinger performed a cosmic Bell test. Using telescopes in the Canary Islands, the team sourced its random decisions for detector settings from stars sufficiently far apart in the sky that light from one would not reach the other for hundreds of years, ensuring a centuries-spanning gap in their shared cosmic past. Yet even then, quantum mechanics again proved triumphant.
One of the principal difficulties in explaining the importance of Bell tests to the public—as well as to skeptical physicists—is the perception that the veracity of quantum mechanics was a foregone conclusion. After all, researchers have measured many key aspects of quantum mechanics to a precision of greater than 10 parts in a billion. “I actually didn’t want to work on it. I thought, like, ‘Come on; this is old physics. We all know what’s going to happen,’” Giustina says. But the accuracy of quantum mechanics could not rule out the possibility of local hidden variables; only Bell tests could do that.
“What drew each of these Nobel recipients to the topic, and what drew John Bell himself, to the topic was indeed [the question], ‘Can the world work that way?’” Kaiser says. “And how do we really know with confidence?” What Bell tests allow physicists to do is remove the bias of anthropocentric aesthetic judgments from the equation; purging from their work the parts of human cognition that recoil at the possibility of eerily inexplicable entanglement, or that scoff at hidden-variable theories as just more debates over how many angels may dance on the head of a pin. The award honors Clauser, Aspect and Zeilinger, but it is testament to all the researchers who were unsatisfied with superficial explanations about quantum mechanics, and who asked their questions even when doing so was unpopular.
“Bell tests,” Giustina concludes, “are a very useful way of looking at reality.”
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10 hours ago, Rubin Farr said:
It is weird, blerp still has this shitty blurry thumbnail.
https://bleep.com/release/13201-aphex-twin-ventolin?lang=en_US
ventolin aka albuterol
https://www.ehealthme.com/ds/albuterol/vision-blurred/
Albuterol and Vision blurred - a phase IV clinical study of FDA data
Summary:
Vision blurred is found among people who take Albuterol, especially for people who are female, 60+ old, have been taking the drug for < 1 month.
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sounds like a lucky day, enjoy your kiwi:)
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amazing news!
Biden pardons thousands with federal convictions of simple marijuana possession
The president urged governors to do the same with state offenses in a step toward addressing disproportionate arrests for people of color
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/06/biden-marijuana-pardon-possession-decriminalization
Associated PressThu 6 Oct 2022 20.33 BST
President Joe Biden has announced a pardon of all prior federal offenses of simple possession of marijuana.
“There are thousands of people who have prior federal convictions for marijuana possession, who may be denied employment, housing, or educational opportunities as a result. My action will help relieve the collateral consequences arising from these convictions,” Biden said in a statement released on Thursday afternoon.
“Sending people to prison for possessing marijuana has upended too many lives and incarcerated people for conduct that many states no longer prohibit. Criminal records for marijuana possession have also imposed needless barriers to employment, housing, and educational opportunities. And while white and Black and brown people use marijuana at similar rates, Black and brown people have been arrested, prosecuted, and convicted at disproportionate rates,” he added.
Administration officials said that the pardon could benefit around 6,500 people, the Hill reports.
“It’s time that we right these wrongs,” Biden said.
He went on to urge all governors to do the same with regards to state offenses, saying, “Just as no one should be in a federal prison solely due to the possession of marijuana, no one should be in a local jail or state prison for that reason, either.”
The president also called on the secretary of Health and Human Services and the attorney general to begin the administrative process to review how marijuana is scheduled under federal law.
Marijuana is currently classified in schedule 1 of the Controlled Substances Act under federal law. Drugs classified under this schedule have “no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse”.
This classification puts marijuana in the same schedule as for heroin and LSD and even higher than the classification of fentanyl and methamphetamine, two drugs that are fueling the ongoing overdose epidemic across the country.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/06/biden-marijuana-pardon-possession-decriminalization
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No,
whatwho gave you that idea?T. Barnaby
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On 10/4/2022 at 9:18 AM, Rubin Farr said:
Just noticed Warp changed the artwork on their site, did it change back when Richard released the bonus tracks?
https://www.warp.net/releases/116025-aphex-twin-ventolin
interesting. phex store ventolin is still the same and un-collapsed.
https://aphextwin.warp.net/release/68146-aphex-twin-ventolin
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On 10/3/2022 at 10:11 PM, Amen Warrior said:
I agree with Steve Jeffries, who isn't my dad. Aphex needs to pay up, the thieving cunt. 50% of everything. This Steve Jeffries guy probably has a family to support, also did I mention he's not my dad? Aphex should pay him regardless of whose dad he is (not mine)
i have to ask, is steve j. your dad?
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On 9/16/2022 at 2:26 PM, Rubin Farr said:
ha:) you need to eat the center up to the crust of an uncut pizza round
and put this in the middle
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3 hours ago, o00o said:
Did he DJ there? The tracks at the beginning sound like he performs them live
combo i think but i'm might be talkin out my arse
also aphex performed at forbidden fruit in 2011 & 2017
it gonna be another 6 years next year so fingers crossed for ireland
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found on: https://old.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/te3754/the_bernsteinberenstein_bears_residue/?sort=old
Bjørnene Bernstein ll. 1979. VHS Big Box.
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Bjørnene Bernstein. VHS Big Box.
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11 hours ago, auxien said:there's literally a 'wink wink nudge nudge' in here, on this 'review' that just happens to be the only one he's got listed from before 1998.
i see no bone in the eye socket or six drill holes down the front of the skull on this deadly reviewer
like old times
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https://moviecrypt.com/1994/05/20/review-shazaam-no-not-captain-marvel/
Review: ‘Shazaam’ (no, not Captain Marvel)
Superficial on the surface, important life lessons linger within.
When Chuck (Austin O’Brien) and Nan (Mara Wilson) are left home alone by their absentee museum curator father (Danny Huston), a mysterious package is delivered containing an antique Middle Eastern oil lamp. Faster than you can sing “A Whole New World,” an ancient genie named Shazaam (Sinbad) is unleashed: an anachronistic wisecracker who becomes a surrogate parent. After the mandatory getting-everything-they-ever-wished-for montage, Chuck and Nan are whisked away on a journey of discovery into the past and future about their beautiful late mother (Amy Yasbeck), their hard-working father, and how they can make their own wishes come true with magic all of their own.
It took less than a year for 20th Century Fox to fast track a low-budget, live-action version of Disney’s smash hit animated film Aladdin but had to settle for comedian David Adkins — aka Sinbad — for a less-magical performance. In spite of the production values, Coneheads director Steve Barron manages to turn out a not-quite coming-of-age story for the latch-key, single-parent generation. Once you get past the over-thought trailer candy bits that Hollywood spoonfeeds us as “funny,” there’s some heart hidden in here thanks to some clever casting and solid chemistry. While adults will probably be rolling their eyes, they really aren’t the target audience.
Too bad they couldn’t have waited a few years and secured a better budget, because as far as children’s movies go, you could do worse. Sinbad might seem an off choice for a Baba Yaga babysitter, but who actually believed Robin Williams could go an entire G-rated cartoon without dropping an F-bomb? The kids are adorable and probably have long careers ahead of them, and this sort of thing seems a natural for Sinbad — he could probably stick to this genre for a while. Sadly, the movie also falls back on a classic trope: the undo button (mild spoiler to follow). When all is said and done, the final wish had to be that Shazaam never came into their lives, the package was never delivered, and indeed none of it ever happened — the kids retain their memories of something that technically never existed, of course… just like the audience. (wink-wink, nudge-nudge)Shazaam will probably never be remembered as a great movie… or for that matter, really remembered at all. Still, for one tiny moment, a genie convinced a couple of kids that parents sometimes have to work hard but still love their children even when they can’t be there for them all the time, and that’s the kind of magic you shouldn’t need to rub a lamp for.
A 2 skull recommendation out of four.
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I forgot all about this old review!
Someone has been posting fake posters and VHS tape covers of this lost urban legend, but we know they’re fake because Shazaam made everything disappear at the end of the movie.
Shazaam pretty much got buried before it got started going head-to-head with the Mel Gibson/ Jodie Foster/ James Garner flick Maverick that same weekend (as I recall). Remember when HBO played it non-stop for about a month? It almost became the new Beastmaster!
And now thanks to College Humor, we finally found some of the actual footage!
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curb is pretty good, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good
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On 9/11/2022 at 12:29 AM, prdctvsm said:
i read the article that this picture is associated with
which is bizzare because they don't mention anything in the article about people who remember attending a concert
but remember a different performer and special guest than what is now reality
i've never read about this type of memory and now think it might start to happen since it's out there, ha:)
the psychologist believes it's down to the fallibility of human memory
but also lists some interesting contradictions in the questions they ask of the reader
at least it's being discussed:)
here's some bits from the article
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-mandela-effect-4589394
By Arlin Cuncic
Origins of the Mandela Effect
The term "Mandela Effect" was first coined in 2009 by Fiona Broome when she created a website to detail her observance of the phenomenon. Broome was at a conference talking with other people about how she remembered the tragedy of former South African president Nelson Mandela's death in a South African prison in the 1980s.
However, Nelson Mandela did not die in the 1980s in a prison—he passed away in 2013. As Broome began to talk to other people about her memories, she learned that she was not alone. Others remembered seeing news coverage of his death as well as a speech by his widow.
Broome was shocked that such a large mass of people could remember the same identical event in such detail when it never happened. Encouraged by her book publisher, she began her website to discuss what she called the Mandela Effect and other incidents like it.
Notable Examples of the Mandela Effect
The story of Nelson Mandela is not the only example of this type of false group memory. As the concept of the Mandela Effect grew along with Broome's website, other group false memories began to emerge.
Henry VIII Eating a Turkey Leg
People had a memory of a painting of Henry VIII eating a turkey leg, though no such painting has ever existed. There have, however, been similar cartoons created.
Luke, I Am Your Father
If you saw Star Wars: Episode V—The Empire Strikes Back, you probably remember Darth Vader uttering the famous line, "Luke, I am your father."
You might be surprised to learn, then, that the line was actually, "No, I am your father." Most people have memories of the line being the former rather than the latter.
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall
If you watched Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, you probably remember the line, "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all?" You may be shocked to learn, then, that the line actually began with the phrase "Magic mirror on the wall" instead.
Oscar Meyer
There is some controversy over the spelling of the famous brand of hot dogs, Oscar Mayer weiners. Some people claim to remember the brand being spelled "Meyer" instead of "Mayer" (the correct spelling).
Location of New Zealand
Where is New Zealand in relation to Australia? If you look at a map, you will see that it is southeast of the country. However, there is a community of people who claim to remember New Zealand being northeast instead of southeast.
Berenstein Bears
The famous children's book series the "Berenstain Bears" is not immune to the Mandela effect. Many people report remembering the name being the Berenstein Bears (spelled with an "e" instead of an "a").
This is similar to the Oscar Mayer issue and hints at perhaps an underlying cognitive reason for the Mandela Effect instead of parallel realities, as some people believe.
Shazaam
One of the most well-known examples of the Mandela Effect is the collective memory of a movie called "Shazaam" that starred the actor/comedian Sinbad in the 1990s.
In fact, no such movie exists, although there was a children's movie called Kazaam and some other coincidences that could help to explain how this movie became created (or remembered) in many people's minds.
For example, Sinbad did star in other movies in the 1990s and appeared in a movie poster for the film "Houseguest" coming out of a mailbox (this looked similar to a genie, which could explain the association with the movie "Shazaam"). Sinbad also dressed up like a genie for an event that he hosted in the 1990s.
Pikachu
Many people report remembering Pikachu, a Pokémon character, as having a black-tipped tail. In reality, the character has always had a solid yellow tail.
Mickey Mouse
Mickey Mouse might be the most famous cartoon character in the world, but even Disney's famous mouse is often misremembered in the minds of fans. People often report the character wearing suspenders when he does not.
one of the last explanations they list for the effect
Alternate Realities
One theory for the basis for the Mandela effect originates from quantum physics and relates to the idea that rather than one timeline of events, alternate realities or universes may be taking place and mixing with our timeline.
In theory, this would result in groups of people having the same memories because the timeline has been altered as we shift between these different realities.
You aren't alone if you think this sounds unrealistic. Unfortunately, the idea of alternate realities is unfalsifiable, meaning there is no way to disprove that these other universes don’t exist truly.
This is why such a far-fetched theory continues to gain traction among the Mandela effect communities. You can't prove it's not real, so you can't discount the possibility of it. For many people, the excitement of a bit of mystery in everyday life also likely comes into play.
The Mandela effect continues to be hotly debated, despite reasonable evidence that it is more likely explained in terms of the fallibility of human memory than some form of parallel universes at work.
Of course, we don't know everything. As more incidents of the Mandela effect continue to occur, perhaps more research into the origins will shed light on the causes.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-mandela-effect-4589394
i agree with those last sentences:)
but they're expecting "more incidents of the Mandela effect to continue to occur"
???
and they write in the article
"you probably remember Darth Vader uttering the famous line, "Luke, I am your father."
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"you probably remember the line, "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all?"
ya, i probably remember:)
also "Oscar Meyer weiners" are now wieners
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Ellis Chappell - FLUTE OF THE LOOM album cover illustrator
• Do you know for certain that there was a cornucopia?
“There had to be I would have no reason to paint the image that way if there had not been a cornucopia. The flute takes the place of the cornucopia but it would not make any sense at all if there had not been a cornucopia to begin with. It’s a take off of the label, so it has to resemble the label substantially, otherwise it would make no sense.”
SpoilerI tracked down the Flute of the Loom Illustrator and he is an ME believer! See what he had to say.
Let me start this by saying I only first learned about the Mandela effect a few weeks ago. I have always been a skeptic at heart when it comes to conspiracies, but the Fruit of the Loom ME is one that really resonated with me based on my past experiences and the overwhelming amount of pop-culture and newspaper residue. Ever since I learned about ME's, it has somewhat consumed my life. In an effort to get more clarity on what's going on, I decided to do a little investigative work and contact the people behind the residue.
One piece of residue you may be aware of is the Flute of the Loom album by Frank Wess. I learned that the artist behind this album cover was a man named Ellis Chappel. He still has a studio website (http://chappellstudiosart.com/EllisCV.php) so I decided I would fill out his website form and see what he had to say.
Here is what I sent him:
Hi,
Are you the person who painted the album artwork for Flute of the Loom?
Would it be alright if we asked you a couple questions about your inspiration for the design?
Thank you,(name redacted)
I received a reply the next day from Reed Chappel (Ellis's son):
Hi (redacted) -
This is Reed, Ellis's son, responding for my dad here. I remember the cornucopia specifically, as does my dad. This is the second time we've been contacted about this album cover and Ellis (and I) are more than happy to answer any questions you have about it. I was a little kid when Ellis painted the Flute of the Loom cover and I remember specifically this album being a reference to the cornucopia in Fruit of the Loom's original logo, which is where my dad says he specifically got the inspiration for the design (when I talked to him about it he said, "Why the hell else would I have used a cornucopia?"). The food coming out of the flute is soul food, actually, a ham hock, cabbage, black-eyed peas, etc. I remember when (in my mind) Fruit of the Loom quit using a cornucopia in their logo and switched to just using fruit by itself. It impressed me because I thought the logo looked better with a cornucopia in it. In my memories this was roughly around 1978 when I was in second grade. So, anyway, feel free to ask away.
Thanks a lot!
Reed and Ellis Chappell
It wasn't immediately clear to me from his response that he was aware of the Mandela Effect, so I sent him the following reply (although I realized after the fact that he was aware because he changed the subject line in the reply to me to read "Mandela Effect (response to inquiry)"
Hi Reed,
Thank you so much for sharing. I really appreciate it.
In case you aren't aware, the reason people have reached out about this particular album cover is due to a phenomenon called the Mandela Effect.
A very large number of people remember the fruit of the loom logo with the cornucopia quite vividly. It sounds like you do too. But you may be surprised to learn that the Cornucopia has NEVER existed in the history of the company. If this is the first you have heard of this I'm sure you don't believe me, but I would encourage you to look online and review the logo history of the company. The only cornucopia you will find will be an artist rendition of what some of us remember.
Would you mind if I share the email you sent me with some people online? I think others would be very interested in it.
Thanks,
(redacted)
Unfortunately he has not replied, and I have grown impatient waiting for his permission to post this so I decided to post it anyways. Make of it what you want, but I found it fascinating to hear a first hand account from a residue creator. I also found it odd that Reed remembers the cornucopia going away in the 70's because I was born in 1991 and remember the cornucopia on my clothing.
Feel free to post questions you have for him and if he ever does reply I will send them his way. Maybe we can even get him on here for a Mandela Effect AMA. I may try to contact Ant Bully and Southpark next, but I think it will be harder to track someone down for those pieces of residue.
Edit: album cover for people not aware. https://i.imgur.com/7tHiuH9.jpg
Edit 2: This is the only thing I can think of that could serve as some sort of proof. It is our zoomed out email conversation with my information covered up. I started the conversation via the form on his website which you can see at the bottom of his first email. https://imgur.com/NEvSWdr
Edit3: He replied! He said he would be happy to answer any questions we have. I'll make a post later tonight where we can compile questions to ask him.
Edit 4: Submit your questions for Ellis here
SpoilerFascinating full Interview with FOTL residue creator, Ellis & Reed Chappell
Thank you to everyone who submitted questions for Ellis to answer! If you are unaware, this is an interview with the man who created the album artwork for the Flute of the Loom album by Frank Wess.
See this post for more information about tracking Ellis down and my initial conversations with him.
Ellis answered all of our questions and included several photos and personal details about past work as verification that he is indeed who he says he is. I'm assuming that should silence the skeptics.
Below is our entire conversation from the point where I sent him questions. Sorry in advance if the formatting is bad. Enjoy!
Hi Ellis and Reed,Thanks again for being so willing to answer the questions of the Reddit community. It is greatly appreciated. Here are the questions I have compiled.
Did you draw/paint this album cover from memory or did you have a photo, print, or clothing item you used as a reference?
Does everyone seem to understand the artwork (meaning they are remembering the old Fruit of the Loom logo) or has anyone been confused about it and ever asked you why it was called Flute of the Loom with a cornucopia?
Did you contact Fruit of the Loom prior to coming up with the name and design? was there ever any copyright problems or permission needed?
Do you remember when you first noticed that the cornucopia had disappeared from the Fruit of the Loom logo? Did you just think the company had changed it, or did you realize something was going on?
When did you first learn about the Mandela Effect? When did you specifically learn about the Fruit of the Loom Mandela Effect?
Now that you have learned about the Mandela Effect, how does the Fruit of the Loom Mandela Effect make you feel?
How familiar are you with the Mandela Effect and are there any others you have noticed?
Do you know for certain that there was a cornucopia?
Do you know for certain that this must be a Mandela Effect?
Who's idea was it to parody the logo? You or the client (Frank Wess)? What was the reasoning behind the parody?
What was the reference material you used to paint the album cover?
What are you thoughts about current company history showing that Fruit of the Loom has never used a Cornucopia?
Are you familiar with other mainstream parodies of the Fruit of the Loom logo in The Ant Bully & South Park?
Was Frank Wess originally Frank Weiss to you?
Are there others in your family besides yourself and son that remember the Cornucopia?
Does Ellis have any memories of trying to recreate/convey the look of the Fruit of the Loom logo? For example, trying to get the color scheme to feel right, or trying to paint the texture in a way that resembles the Fruit of the Loom logo, or putting thought into getting the flute shape to mimic the cornucopia (maybe thinking about the direction the drawing of the flute would be turned, would it be turned to the right or to the left, etc)?
Do you have any theories as to why the cornucopia disappeared from the logo and what might be causing the Mandela Effect in general?
Where did you first hear the word cornucopia?
Lastly, there are a large amount of skeptics online who will not believe you are who you say you are. So if you are willing to provide some sort of proof or evidence to back this up that would really improve the credibility for others. Examples could include a photo of you two with the album cover, images of your other studio or artwork, draft-work or mock-ups from when you were creating the album cover, signs of business with record companies such as receipts, etc. I really look forward to hearing your responses to these questions. Please thank Ellis from all of us for his willingness to respond to our long list of inquiries!If you have any questions for me just let me know.Sincerely, (redacted)
His responses:
H(redacted) -
This is going to take a bit, but I will do my best to get all of these answered. As far as producing the original painting, I highly doubt we will be able to find it. My father worked as an illustrator for over 30 years and I haven't seen that painting since maybe the 80s, if I'm remembering correctly (my dad used to have an art studio set up in our attic on Carr Avenue). I can produce several other airbrushed illustrations he's done in his career. At the time he did the work for the Flute of the Loom album, he was doing many album covers for Stax Records in Memphis (where he and our family also lived) and I know of at least one album he still has the original art for - an album by the Dramatics, called "The Devil Is Dope" (I'll send you a photo separately). I'll be in touch again shortly.
Reed C.
Response 2
Hi (redacted) -
As promised, here are a couple photos of my dad, Ellis Chappell. I talked to him just now and he said that the album by the Dramatics (which was the first album cover my dad ever painted for Stax Records) was originally called "The Devil Is Dope", but before it was released one of the higher ups thought that name was too controversial and they changed it to "A Dramatic Experience". Anyway, here he is next to the original art for the cover and also a photo of him next to the cover and holding up the artwork that went on the back of the album. I could produce the interior art for the album, but I feel I would be getting off track.
Ellis also was known for painting the original cover to the book "The Firm" by John Grisham, as well as the following three books in that series. The original cover for The Firm was a painting of a man suspended by cables in front of a piece of green marble. If you can find a copy of it with that original cover (hardback) it mentions Ellis's name as the cover artist on the inside flap. I'm just giving you more material you could verify that only Ellis would know.
As far as the Flute of the Loom album cover, Ellis added that the art director for that job was a guy named David Hogan and he was contacted by Ron Gordon who worked for Stax Records (a couple more things you could verify with enough research, I would imagine). David had an art studio in Memphis called "The Graphé" where my dad worked for about 10 years as an illustrator.
Stax Records in Memphis, who released the "Flute of the Loom" album, has retired from producing albums and is now the Stax Records Museum and Gift Shop.
Again, I highly doubt I will be able to find the original art for the Frank Weiss album. My dad has quite a lot of stuff to go through, but about 8 months ago, I went through all of the original art Ellis still had from his illustration career (which we were able to find) for an interested buyer and don't remember seeing that piece specifically.
So, I'm including a few images. The first is a photo of my dad and Gregory Peck standing in front of a portrait of Mr. Peck my dad painted which was commissioned by the Orpheum Theatre when Gregory Peck had a one-man show there in the mid to late 90s. The second is another illustration job (art for a billboard) which my dad did in airbrush when he was working at the Graphé art studio in the 70s (you can see this is a very similar style to the Flute of the Loom art). The third image is a photo of Ellis, myself (when I was skinny and good looking), and the Neville Brothers holding the artwork for a painting we collaborated on of them for the Premiere Player Awards. The fourth and fifth photos are photos I shot with my phone today of Ellis standing next to a few pieces of his art as described above.
I'm going to go through these questions with my dad and get you as many answers as I can and I will be in touch again soon.
Reed and Ellis
Response 3 (answering all questions)
Hi (redacted) -
Here are the responses to the questions you had, and I wanted to say we appreciate your interest, believers and skeptics alike. We are just as confused as you are.
All answers here in quotes are quotes Ellis said when I asked him. Anything not in quotes are things I, Reed Chappell, wrote in.
• Did you draw/paint this album cover from memory or did you have a photo, print, or clothing item you used as a reference? “I think I had a t-shirt with a Fruit of the Loom label that I looked at for the reference. I used to have, in fact I still have a lot of them - file folders with images such as a folder for musical instrument or a folder for trucks or automobiles. But this piece was primarily made up from my imagination, other than looking at the Fruit of the Loom label.”
• Does everyone seem to understand the artwork (meaning they are remembering the old Fruit of the Loom logo) or has anyone been confused about it and ever asked you why it was called Flute of the Loom with a cornucopia? “No.” (meaning No, no one we're aware of who’s seen it has ever been confused about it, prior to us being contacted in April.)
• Did you contact Fruit of the Loom prior to coming up with the name and design? was there ever any copyright problems or permission needed? “No. When I did that back in the 70s, nobody even knew what copyright was. It was not as prevalent [a concern] as it is today.”
• Do you remember when you first noticed that the cornucopia had disappeared from the Fruit of the Loom logo? Did you just think the company had changed it, or did you realize something was going on? “No. That was one job of more than dozens that we dealt with on a monthly basis. It came in and went out and was not thought of again.”Reed, here. I noticed the cornucopia being eliminated from the logo around 1978, which I go into more detail on in the last answer.
• When did you first learn about the Mandela Effect? When did you specifically learn about the Fruit of the Loom Mandela Effect? “That would be you.” Ellis was talking to me. Someone named (redacted). contacted us through the Chappell Studios Art webpage and asked us if we were aware of the controversy around this album cover and Fruit of the Loom’s statement that no cornucopia ever existed. (redacted) called it a bizarre memory phenomena and this made me think of the X-Files episode where they mentioned the Mandela Effect (took me a minute to remember what they called it). I began looking on Google and found a reddit page where people were talking about my dad’s album cover which was exceptionally strange. Incidentally, I’m writing this for my dad, because I got the automated message from the website as well and if you waited for my dad to get around to answering these emails, you would never get a response.
• Now that you have learned about the Mandela Effect, how does the Fruit of the Loom Mandela Effect make you feel? “Well, it’s nice to be remembered, I guess. When I did it I had no idea it would have that kind of I guess you could say shelf-life. That people would remember it for that long. Flattering I guess.” and also,”I guess the main thing it makes me believe is that people are watching too much television and should be reading more books.” This was a harder answer to get out of him. I think he’s not really sure what to think about it other than that he knows he shaped the flute on the album like a cornucopia because it was referencing the cornucopia in the Fruit of the Loom logo which he and many other people remember.
• How familiar are you with the Mandela Effect and are there any others you have noticed? “Not very familiar.” I had to explain it to him after I’d found out about the “ME” claims.
• Do you know for certain that there was a cornucopia? “There had to be I would have no reason to paint the image that way if there had not been a cornucopia. The flute takes the place of the cornucopia but it would not make any sense at all if there had not been a cornucopia to begin with. It’s a take off of the label, so it has to resemble the label substantially, otherwise it would make no sense.”
• Do you know for certain that this must be a Mandela Effect? “I don’t know. It could be an example of one. It has all the ear marks.”
• Who's idea was it to parody the logo? You or the client (Frank Wess)? What was the reasoning behind the parody?“The client.” I further asked him about this and he said that having soul food (ham hock, cabbage, black eyed peas) come out of the flute instead of fruit was actually his idea.
• What was the reference material you used to paint the album cover? This one was actually answered in the first question.
• What are your thoughts about current company history showing that Fruit of the Loom has never used a Cornucopia? “I don’t believe that. I think whoever came up with that [answer] was someone who just recently got involved in doing graphics for the company.”
• Are you familiar with other mainstream parodies of the Fruit of the Loom logo in The Ant Bully & South Park? “I don’t know. I haven’t seen it [them], so I don’t know.”
• Was Frank Wess originally Frank Weiss to you? “I don’t know. I don’t remember that ever being talked about.”
• Are there others in your family besides yourself and son that remember the Cornucopia? “No.” This is Reed, here, I mentioned all of this to my mom (she and Ellis are no longer married) and she didn’t remember the album cover and basically thought this was nonsense.
• Does Ellis have any memories of trying to recreate/convey the look of the Fruit of the Loom logo? For example, trying to get the color scheme to feel right, or trying to paint the texture in a way that resembles the Fruit of the Loom logo, or putting thought into getting the flute shape to mimic the cornucopia (maybe thinking about the direction the drawing of the flute would be turned, would it be turned to the right or to the left, etc)? “I looked at the Fruit of the Loom label I had for reference and I based the shape of the horn [flute] on the label I had. It was probably a t-shirt or something I had in my vast wardrobe of t-shirts.”
• Do you have any theories as to why the cornucopia disappeared from the logo and what might be causing the Mandela Effect in general? “They probably just wanted to simplify it, because the cornucopia just added a graphic element that wasn’t all that necessary.” As to the Mandela Effect, “No, I didn’t know there was such a thing. This is all news.”
This is Reed, here, again. I think society takes it for granted that the flow of time from event to event is always concrete and simple and that the past is something that happened which cannot change. Differing, shared timelines seem more plausible in the context of a multi-verse where multiple versions of each event are occurring, have occurred, and will occur all at once.
Frankly I’m confused by what’s going on with this album cover seeming to prove something which also seems to have been factually denied. I remember the Fruit of the Loom logo having a cornucopia, myself. I remember first hearing the word cornucopia in second grade. I remember this specifically because I was held back in kindergarten and then skipped first grade going directly into second. I had no problem making this transition other than there were a few vocabulary words I had never heard which the other students knew. One of these words was cannibal (I thought they were saying ‘cannon ball’ and was embarrassed when I was corrected). The other exotic word I remember learning in second grade was cornucopia. I remember thinking it was a complicated, strange word for just a horn with food in it. And I remember my point of reference for what a cornucopia was was the Fruit of the Loom logo, which they had just changed (taking out the horn). I was a little more familiar with the cornucopia because I had seen my dad’s original art which I knew at the time was a reference to the underwear/t-shirt company’s logo (the only other place I'd ever seen a cornucopia).
• Where did you first hear the word cornucopia? See previous answer for Reed’s answer. Ellis: “I have no idea.”
Hope this has been helpful. I will certainly be following this. I can not see any way for all of the accounts of people who remember the original logo in conjunction with my dad's artwork all being a coincidence that could easily be explained.
Thanks,Reed Chappell and Ellis Chappell
My final response back
Hi Ellis and Reed,
Thank you so much for the thorough responses, personal details, and photos! I will post these to Reddit in the morning and I'm sure others will be just as fascinated as I am after reading both of your responses. In case you are curious, this link contains some other Fruit of the Loom "residue" that people have found. Your fathers album is the first one on the list. I have linked a few others below that are not included in that article.
Southpark: (this image is a little disgusting as it shows Cartman shitting himself. You were warned) If you look closely Cartmans underwear resembles the Fruit of the Loom logo and is named "Cornucopia Brand"
Newspaper clippings: I have attached a few example images.
Your theory as to what is happening is one of the better ones I've heard. It also explains why you remember the logo disappearing in the late 70's, yet I and many others born in the 90's still somehow remember growing up with the logo. If you ever want to discuss this or other ME's further you can always contact me or join the Reddit Mandela Effect community.
Thanks again for taking the time to humor us as we explore this bizarre phenomenon together! I'm sure I will be in touch in the future.
Sincerely,
(redacted)
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22 minutes ago, Squee said:4 hours ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:
i wish the news headlines would be honest and read more like "Unelected supreme dictator of UK dead after 70 year grip on power"
Did she have any power at all?
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